List Mgmt. 2021 Trade & List Management Thread II - IN: CCJ

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Lore's 2021 Draft Order

Spoiler: Lore's 2022 Future Picks Draft Order

 

[Jasemon]

I’m still needing someone to help me here. Our starting offer was a future 4th? We ended up giving them future 2nd plus pick 40 this year for loose change in return when we had PSD at our disposal….. I know I need to move on but just struggling with Luff and Brady’s strategy here. Especially when it was only a few days ago that Luff got onto trade radio and sounded all tough and no nonsense about the worth of ruckman/forwards (hell we had the Nankervis trade as the perfect blueprint). Obviously there is a master plan waiting to be unveiled here.

 

[Heaps of fun]

Pop him on a half-back flank. Rotate him into the midfield when Horne-Francis, Phillips, Powell, Simpkin, Thomas or Davies-Uniacke need a breather.

I still think we should target The Devil. He holds the record for possessions

 

[the flying ham]

The elephant in the room is, we are likely going to lose at least one of our young talented mids in the next few years.

Simpkin, LDU, Phillips, Powell, Thomas, JHF

Two followers, one in the middle, two wingmen and I am not sure any in that group have the traits to be an elite wingman. Who wants to be the depth player?

Probably a good problem to have, but, a problem nonetheless.

Two on the flanks, one out the goalsquare to exploit a mismatch or break a tag, one off the back off the square to change things up. Endless possibilities with that sort of talent, id be concerned if we were shit and lost them to chase success, not because they all cant start in the centre square for the 1st bounce. And Noble and Blakey seem the exact type to make those sorts of changes. Problem is affording them, not playing them. The playing bit is a piece of piss

 

[HumanMeatball]

I reckon people should settle down just a touch. A couple of assumptions:

1. highly (probably certain) we were getting no compo for Taz
2. we still have the PSD for someone who might yet fall out.

Then look at the straight pick swaps, assuming we finish bottom again:

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In other words, we paid what we said we would - pick 38, and it should be noted, the 'risk' is on Richmond's side, because the future 2nd valued above assumes we finish bottom - we go up the latter, and the value difference decreases much quick for the future 2nd than it does for the future 4th

Had similar discussions on the Richmond board. But unless you have players clubs are bidding on, points are fairly irrelevant

 

[The Y Factor]

Has to be something cooking. You wouldn’t give away your 2nd round pick easily when your in a building phase.

Must be something to give a 2nd for 2 thirds without needing points or something obvious.

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

Funny how quickly the points calculators disappeared when the story re: Pick 1 broke...

The Coleman-Jones is neither disastrous nor especially great. My first instinct was that it's not a particularly positive outcome for us, and ideally we'd have wrangled a better deal, but as others have said, so much depends on how good CCJ ends up being for us - it's speculative, for sure, but less so than a draft pick is (especially a future pick), and it ensures we address an obvious need in terms of tall forward targets (or, depending on how things play out, the ruck situation over the next few years; one or the other, or a bit of both...). Possibly, that's worth paying what, at first glance, looks like overs for a guy who only cracked the Tigers' team in 2021 when they finished 12th... so whilst I don't love the deal, or indeed the mismanagement that resulted in our having needs keenly in need of addressing, there's some sound reasoning behind it, and hopefully it all plays out very much in our favour.

We paid the same price for CCJ as we did for Comben - a pick in the early-mid 30's.

They are very similar player types as well except CCJ is more advanced in his career and will be ready to go Round 1 2022 (ideally with Comben!).

Could we have paid less for CCJ - of course - there is the PSD - but we need to see what we now have in store for the PSD before we make a definitive conclusion there.

 

[Le Grille]

Must be something to give a 2nd for 2 thirds without needing points or something obvious.

I’m not sure what people are expecting out of 42 and 47

 

[The Y Factor]

I’m not sure what people are expecting out of 42 and 47

No idea but something must be brewing surely

 

[Le Grille]

No idea but something must be brewing surely

I hope so

 

[shinboner magic]

I’m not sure what people are expecting out of 42 and 47

Boomer Harvey hopefully

 

[giantroo]

 

[Le Grille]

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That doesn’t help

 

[buttox]

So ive been out for margaritas and Mexican.
Did i Miss anything?

 

[Flawed Genius]

Meh, take him. Trade him for one of those Adelaide first rounders in 2022.

A bit in this. Take him at PSD #1, play him off a wing for a year. Either he loves it and he stays, or he hates it and we get at the very least a second rounder off the Crows this time next year (planning for depreciation).

 

[Ligma]

So ive been out for margaritas and Mexican.
Did i Miss anything?

Yeah, you missed giving me my invite

 

[Istanbul Roo]

We paid the same price for CCJ as we did for Comben - a pick in the early-mid 30's.

They are very similar player types as well except CCJ is more advanced in his career and will be ready to go Round 1 2022 (ideally with Comben!).

Could we have paid less for CCJ - of course - there is the PSD - but we need to see what we now have in store for the PSD before we make a definitive conclusion there.

They really are not similar players. Have you seen CCJ? Comben is a beautiful kick, a proper forward kick. CJ is a poor kick. Comben is mobile; CJ is lumbering. For me, its simply a poor trade, which added to the Ben Brown last year takes the gloss of our trading for a second year.

 

[buttox]

Yeah, you missed giving me my invite

LOL
Next time sure mate.
I just read the deal.
Thats pretty ordinary from the clubs behalf.
At least its done
I was sick of waiting

 

[Ligma]

LOL
Next time sure mate.
I just read the deal.
Thats pretty ordinary from the clubs behalf.
At least its done
I was sick of waiting

I’ll put YOU up for trade if you don’t hehe

 

[shagger_grant]

How long has it been since someone has actually nominated us and joined? Welcome CCJ, great pick up

 

[AnEmptyChair]

Did I actually read that Fact Not Fiction said we've spoken to Dawson or is that just part of the fever dream that was this thread today?

 

[Harvey Manfrenjensenden]

Le Grille or The acurate one , who wears a bikini better?

That's like asking what's my favourite STD

 

[Psicosis]

Did I actually read that Fact Not Fiction said we've spoken to Dawson or is that just part of the fever dream that was this thread today?

Oh FFS I hope not, we will trade two firsts for him.

 

[AnEmptyChair]

Oh FFS I hope not, we will trade two firsts for him.

I think it was in relation to a post about the PSD but as I said, I genuinely might have imagined it and I can't be bothered checking.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Oh FFS I hope not, we will trade two firsts for him.

We would need to talk to him if we were looking psd to see if he’ll sign on for multiple years or sit out a year.

 

[Le Grille]

Getting ****ed in the arse by hawthorn would seriously top it off