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Not probably, they do. By a bit.People in Sydney don´t even go to live sports anyway.
Swans games probably draw the biggest crowds.
Even Sydney FC and Wanderers used to outdraw Sydney NRL teams.
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Not probably, they do. By a bit.People in Sydney don´t even go to live sports anyway.
Swans games probably draw the biggest crowds.
AF requires high-level skills in hands and feet (both left and right), which are very difficult to master. The drop must be perfect (& there can also be a problem with wind) for accurate kicking.Like any poor game of aussie rules, AFLW is usually hard to watch.[Unfair- often played in strong heat, sweaty hands & eyes, sun in eyes etc.]
The NRLW is making strong progress, & attracts good ratings in prime time. All NRL teams will probably be represented in the next 10 years- smaller team sizes will assist in obtaining sufficiently skilled females.Wake me up when any other sport can make it to 18 teams in a national women's comp (meaning at least 540 semi-professionals).
The AFLW's creation, & high visibity, from 2017 has been directly responsible for the boom in female GR AF around Australia from the start of 2017. All AFL etc. experts agree on this.You start out talking general football and then go to AFLW statistics.
You have to start putting a bit of sense into your statements.
The AFLW's creation, & high visibity, from 2017 has been directly responsible for the boom in female GR AF around Australia from the start of 2017.
the AFLW is highly visible but a.t.m. the AFLW injury problems are having as much impact as AFL concussion concerns.If the very high AFLW injury rates continue, then, in the long term, its high visibity may cause the female GR AF boom to slow- or even cause an actual reduction in female nos.
In NSW & Qld., where RL is still the dominant sport, culturally, it is a direct competitor for ......
1. Manly's Brookvale Oval is very likely to receive a full upgrade, at a cost of $180m.
Overdue Brookvale redevelopment set for announcement
After more than three decades of waiting, the storied venue is in line for a facelift.www.zerotackle.com
This will be a major boost for the NRL, & GR RL, in NS.
2. The Australian 1.4.22
"This season of the NRLW has been a ratings bonanza, with an average audience of 59,000 across Kayo, Foxtel Now and Foxtel Go (My emphases)".
Players are saying the standard of NRLW games is greatly increasing.
For games played in ratings' dead time, early in the afternoon on Sat. & Sun., these are excellent ratings for the NRLW- &, IIRC, outrate Foxtel AFLW games played in the same timeslots. The NRL would be very pleased.
AFLW average crowds, however, are much bigger. At the start of NRLW games, there is usually a very small crowd- a few hundred. As they are played as double-headers to NRL games, the crowd towards the end of the NRLW game is vastly larger.
In the Thread "Why Do Women Play the Rough Game of AF...", many females cite that the challenge of tackling is one of the appeals of AF- though not necessarily the main appeal. There is also much anecdotal evidence of this, for females all over Australia.Usually, females play Australian Football for fast action, fun, skil and not the tackling side of things.
It's up to each sport to get active those that find the sport attractive.
The female GR major AF boom greatly accelerated from 2017 in Vic. & Qld., then other areas from 2018 & 2019 (the laggards being sthn. NSW; WA improving recently).The AFLW has indeed promoted female participation, but the growth in female participation started well before 2017.
In WA, was this female AF growth in State schools, private schools, or both?In W.A. it started with the creation of school competitions which led to youth competitions that led to WAFL competition.
I presume the other states had a similar history.
I understand a men's Reserves telecast game (immediately prior to an AFL game) would attract extra ratings for the ReservesIf the [AFLW] games are before the main game I think you'd naturally pick up those club viewers too. Similar to the old reserves games before the main games in the 90s if your club is playing then in another format and you've set aside time to watch them you may as well watch another version as the entree.
many females cite that the challenge of tackling is one of the appeals of AF- though not necessarily the main appeal. There is also much anecdotal evidence of this, for females all over Australia.
The female GR major AF boom greatly accelerated from 2017
In WA, was this female AF growth in State schools, private schools, or both?
The last paragraph confirms what we all know NRL/NRLW are primarily TV Sports. However the exception is the State Of Origin Series -Big crowds and big ratings. The upcoming NRL State of Origin match scheduled for Optus over here will attract 60,000 with the extra seating and will have big ratings in its heartlands.1. "As the Premier met with Prime Minister Scott Morrison and other representatives from federal and local governments at the Gabba on Monday to sign the deal, she hinted at progress on the $1 billion project.
“The Prime Minister and I actually agree to the funding envelope for that, so there’s no issues with that at all,” she said, with Mr Morrison standing behind her left shoulder.
Lord mayor Adrian Schrinner, Prime Minister Scott Morrison and Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk at the Gabba to sign the SEQ City Deal.
Earlier in the day, Mr Morrison told Brisbane radio station 4BC the federal government was committed to an even funding split for Olympics infrastructure.
“We’ve got our infrastructure partnerships, as you know, that’s a 50-50 arrangement on the major pieces of infrastructure,” he said, when asked about Gabba funding.
Timing of done deal not down to the election: Morrison
“We’re sticking to that deal and the Premier and I, I’m sure we’ll have more discussions about all that, so that’s all proceeding and we’re working together well on that.”
Gabba funding hurdle cleared for Olympic stadium
It did not form part of the long-awaited SEQ City Deal, but the rebirth of Brisbane’s home of cricket and AFL as an Olympic stadium appears on firmer ground.www.brisbanetimes.com.au
When the Qld. govt. announced in 2021 it wanted to replace the Gabba with a new 50,000 seat stadium for the Olympic Games, costing c.$1b, the Qld. Govt. said this rebuild would only occur if the Fed. Govt. provided half the funding ie $500m.
As this Fed. Govt. assurance was provided, for the first time on 21.3.22, it is now certain the rebuild will occur.
Having a well-located 50,000 seater AFL ground in Brisbane is a massive, long term boost for the AFL in particular, & GR AF in general, in Qld.
2.
In the Thread "Why Do Women Play the Rough Game of AF...", many females cite that the challenge of tackling is one of the appeals of AF- though not necessarily the main appeal. There is also much anecdotal evidence of this, for females all over Australia.
The female GR major AF boom greatly accelerated from 2017 in Vic. & Qld., then other areas from 2018 & 2019 (the laggards being sthn. NSW; WA improving recently).
In WA, was this female AF growth in State schools, private schools, or both?
(In Vic., female GR growth began strongly from c. 2004, when some private all-girls' schools began to introduce AF in school pys. ed programs etc. The AFL was not realy much interested, or providing significant funding, then. It may be apocryphal, but it started when some private school Phys. Ed teachers asked the girls "Do you want to have a kick"- Many said "Yes, sir"?)
I understand a men's Reserves telecast game (immediately prior to an AFL game) would attract extra ratings for the Reserves
ie cf if the Reserves' game was not telecast immediately prior to the AFL game. Many AFL fans would be interested in promising new recruits, established players coming back to play from injury etc.
Ditto NRL Reserves' higher ratings.
These factors would not, obviously, apply to NRL fans adding to the NRLW ratings.
Furthermore, for those NRL fans primarily interested in veiwing the NRL telecast immediately following the NRLW game, I doubt many want to watch the whole NRLW.
In the linked article I provided above in post#1631, the RL journalist used the word "bonaza" for the national NRLW ratings, averaging 59,000 on Foxtel & Kayo (even though, unlike the AFLW games, NRLW games are all played in ratings' dead times of Sat. & Sun. afternoons).
The NRL has justification to proclaim the relatively strong national NRLW ratings it is attracting- & its NRLW SOO & GF ratings are even more impressive.
I expect, in NSW & Qld., the NRLW will have much higher ratings, for many years, cf the AFLW.
NRLW H & A crowds now, however, are very poor- AFAIK, these matches average only a few hundred spectators when they start.
More significant growth is occcuring in female contact RL.
"Female rugby league numbers soar on Coast
Woy Woy Roosters RLFC
MARCH 4, 2022
RUGBY LEAGUE
The number of women playing Rugby League on the Central Coast has reportedly ‘exploded’ over recent years thanks to the rise in popularity of national female stars, according to the NSW Rugby League (NSWRL).
The NSWRL said there has been a 94 per cent jump in growth in three years from 433 players in 2019 to 840 for the 2022 season – 384 (my emphasis) junior tackle players and 456 in junior tag.
NSWRL Regional Manager Keith Onslow said the Harvey Norman Tarsha Gale, Harvey Norman Women’s Premiership and Harvey Norman NSW Sky Blues were helping raise the profile of the women’s game".
Female rugby league numbers soar on Coast - Central Coast News
RUGBY LEAGUE The number of women playing Rugby League on the Central Coast has reportedly ‘exploded’ over recent years thanks to the rise in popularity ofcoastcommunitynews.com.au
The success of the high-rating NRLW (cf the low AFLW ratings in NSW & Qld.) is, obviously, contributing to the strong growth in female tackle RL player nos. on the Central Coast of NSW.
Ok, I have analysed the 2,000 posts in this thread and have calculated that the chances of Footy overtaking league in NSW and Queensland is 14%.
J. Tucker, a Queenslander, who is a very strong RU & RL fan, is a journalist & author who has been writing professionally on sport for c. 40 years. He freely admits he has very little knoweldge about the AFL, & has hardly seen any games. He says that AF is now considered a real threat to the NRL in Brisbane, particularly when Brisbane Lions are competitive in the AFL.
AFL in Queensland dramatically increased participation in the 4 years I've been coaching. Boys that aren't physically strong for rugby league or union are turning to AFL before their teens and the women's game is going ahead in leaps and bounds
AFLW and AFL success in Brisbane helps with both teams being top 4 the last couple of years with the Ladies winning a GF 2 seasons ago.
Girls that now can play in girls teams from Under 9s is great. The two clubs I'm involved with have gone from no girl teams to fielding girl teams this year in Under 9 and Under 11.
The added advantage is that girls here in Brisbane can play both in a girls team and a mixed team up to Under 11s for one registration fee greatly accelerates their development as most don't take up the game until they are 7 or 8 so playing two games a week (girls under 9 and 11 play Friday night then their 2nd game is either Saturday or Sunday) helps.
There's no point disagreeing BBT if you don't quantify.Significant is relative especially off of a zero base.
Interesting, are most participants long term locals or the kids of ex pats? It doesn't really matter, I'm just interested to see how much cut through the game has gotten with full blooded queenslanders.
I find the long term future of rugby league very interesting. Domestically it faces huge competition from the AFL.
While internationally it faces big opposition from Union.
While rugby isn’t a threat domestically
the game’s financial growth in Europe, Japan and now America
It’s not unrealistic to think that the games biggest names could chase the money overseas. Hurting the product domestically
The money in European rugby union is growing there is a new pro comp in the US as well as massive financial growth in Aus.All sports face the situation of people selecting the best option available them.
I'd say more correctly that RU faces bleeding to RL and even AFL.
A lot of Australian Rules Football is played at RU grounds.
It used to be and it used to alternate back and forth. RU is still a breeding ground for RL.
From my brief encounters it seemed that RL was going backwards in Europe financially.
Don't they do that in the off season anyway ?