The Greens

[Gralin]

Rabid blind pro vax sounds very anti vaxx to me Achy

Nope. But neither will i be voting for rabid blind pro vax candidates. There is middle ground here, despite what Dan et al have programmed us all to believe.

 

[Kwality]

Talking about tax & that is the best you can drag out the gutter ....

 

[Kwality]

Are you familiar how low Australia's royalties are compared to other jurisdictions?

Qatar get something like 10x more royalties per Gas Unit than Australia does.

Are you comparing apples with apples?
The OP appeared to be unaware of their very existence.

Exploring for resources is an expensive pastime.

 

[Gralin]

Talking about tax & that is the best you can drag out the gutter ....

I was taking about you giving someone else s**t for being keen to believe anything that matches their view

 

[Kram]

$10 trillion?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that this was a typo and you don't honestly think that the government spends 12% of its entire annual expenditure on subsidies (hint: it doesn't).

 

[sataris]

Don't believe ABC vote compass.
They aren't
They are rhe only left party that gets any decent traction with the voters or media though which tells you everything about or media landscape

I guess that's what I actually meant.

 

[Kwality]

Have a read of this for starters.

The Panama Papers

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It's not a "Greens claim" it is global corruption. It is not "tax minimisation" it is tax avoidance.

Yet the Greens effectively find the 122 billionaires guilty because ... & you believe it.
The tax avoidance industry is alive & well with its fingers in many pies, & is chased internationally.

I'm not justifying or denying tax avoidance & it is different to tax minimisation, particularly when used for political purposes.

Yes I'm well aware of how people avoid tax including the drycleaners.

 

[kranky al]

It was free for a time. Are there any stats that support your 'improve us a nation' claim? They'd stand out like a dunny in a desert IF there is substance in your claim.

Imagine if the cure for cancer or the discovery of fusion or faster than light travel is stuck in some lower income kids head who cant afford uni so he goes for the quick cash and becomes a fitter or whatever?

Heres a hint - genius level folk come from every strata of society. We should encourage them not put obstacles in their way.

 

[Number37]

Yet the Greens effectively find the 122 billionaires guilty because ... & you believe it.

Top 1% = 99% of the wealth.
Makes sense to target billionaires.

 

[Kwality]

Imagine if the cure for cancer or the discovery of fusion or faster than light travel is stuck in some lower income kids head who cant afford uni so he goes for the quick cash and becomes a fitter or whatever?

Heres a hint - genius level folk come from every strata of society. We should encourage them not put obstacles in their way.

& they are present outside academia, always have, always will. They find a way.

 

[Kwality]

Top 1% = 99% of the wealth.
Makes sense to target billionaires.

& our multitudes of highly paid, professional, full time bureaucrats know every one of them.

 

[sataris]

Top 1% = 99% of the wealth.
Makes sense to target billionaires.

But if we target the billionaires,they'll take their money they're not investing in Australia and put it somewhere else!!!

 

[Millky95]

Don't believe ABC vote compass.
They aren't
They are rhe only left party that gets any decent traction with the voters or media though which tells you everything about or media landscape

TBF, they are the most left of the major 5-6 parties

 

[Carn The Berries]

Imagine if the cure for cancer or the discovery of fusion or faster than light travel is stuck in some lower income kids head who cant afford uni so he goes for the quick cash and becomes a fitter or whatever?

Heres a hint - genius level folk come from every strata of society. We should encourage them not put obstacles in their way.

Exactly what impediments are there to kids from lower income families attending uni? The up-front costs are minimal, and they only way they have to repay the money used to fund their education is if they end up earning a decent income.

 

[footscray1973]

But if we target the billionaires,they'll take their money they're not investing in Australia and put it somewhere else!!!

I don't think Gina invests her money anywhere - my guess is she withdraws it all in cash, and eats it. I'm surprised in that dispute with her kids they never considered just pumping her stomach.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

That's not what I wrote at all.
I said the media act like there is nobody left of the greens, they've decided left politics stops at centre left and they don't cover anything else.
But in the right they go all the way to the fringe.
You replied with but yeah who what's to hear from the left like that was a legit reason for basically all media in Australia to pretend they don't exist

this

the greens are the left version of the nationals

if you want the left version of the UAP or PHON, look at the Socialist parties

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Are you comparing apples with apples?
The OP appeared to be unaware of their very existence.

Exploring for resources is an expensive pastime.

so mining deserves subsidies because exploring is hard, but renewables dont deserve subsidies because they should show the true cost of their power and not rely on the govt purse?

 

[Gralin]

TBF, they are the most left of the major 5-6 parties

yes but they aren't the extreme left of the landscape,
when the Vote Compass is showing space to the right of ON and LIB Dems but not to the left of the Greens it makes people think that's it, that's far left communism

this

the greens are the left version of the nationals

if you want the left version of the UAP or PHON, look at the Socialist parties

Yeah and there are some views in the socialist parties that are problematic

Like SAlt being SWERFs

but my point is most people wouldn't even know who SAlt are, if they did they'd understand where the Greens actually sit politically and that might give them a better understanding that Albo isn't a communist

 

[Kwality]

so mining deserves subsidies because exploring is hard, but renewables dont deserve subsidies because they should show the true cost of their power and not rely on the govt purse?

Interesting proposition Ned.
ALL taxpayer subsidies should be transparent.

The true cost of power is a classic example.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

So we reject overseas investment in Australia ?

'Free uni worked fine not that long ago' you claim.
Anything to support this motherhood claim? It was removed by the Hawke government after it had been introduced by Whitlam & supported by the Fraser Government (Nov75 - Mar83).

It depends by what you mean by 'worked'. It's a bit like medicare, there will always be claims that medicare is costly and we need to make cuts to keep it going. But the reality is that health care has a cost, and you either fund it collectively through government, or you push those costs back to your citizens -- some of who can't afford it.

Education is exactly the same. If we want a skilled, educated population - it is going to cost us money. Do we fund it through taxation? Or do we push the costs down to the students? If we do, then we have to accept that there will be people that miss out... and they will typically kids from low-income families. You can put a system like HECS/HELP to try and mitigate the situation... but that doesn't fix the problem. We have created a society where post-secondary education is more or less mandatory if you want to build financial stability, but we charge an arm-and-a-leg to acquire it.

The claim that we can't afford to make tertiary education free is completely wrong. Of course we can. It's just a matter of choices. I mean, apparently the Coalition have committed ~$25b in pork barrelling in this election alone. WTF does all that money come from? They spent half a billion dollars on their car park rorts. They overpayed Jobkeeper by $20b. The Stage 3 tax cuts are worth $18b. Heck, the total tax cuts are worth more than $35b.

European countries manage to fund tertiary education... so it's definitely not impossible. And it doesn't cause economic calamities.

It's a choice.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Yet the Greens effectively find the 122 billionaires guilty because ... & you believe it.
The tax avoidance industry is alive & well with its fingers in many pies, & is chased internationally.

I'm not justifying or denying tax avoidance & it is different to tax minimisation, particularly when used for political purposes.

Yes I'm well aware of how people avoid tax including the drycleaners.

Great, then you shouldn't have a problem with policies to try and reclaim that tax from people and companies who can definitely afford it so the government can fund some essential services such as including dental and mental in medicare.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Do you think those to the left of the Greens have anything worthwhile to hear?

As De Nero said in Taxi Driver "You talking to me"

Within the Greens there is a cadre of far left members.
We used to be called "The Industrial Left" (although we also had a piss taking name of "The Tomato Left") when we were all in the ALP

 

[Saint]

Are you comparing apples with apples?
The OP appeared to be unaware of their very existence.

Exploring for resources is an expensive pastime.

Luckily exploration is tax deductible, just another way they don't get taxed on their profits.

Woodside had revenues of $7bn last year. They made $2bn profit after tax. They paid about $700m in royalties.

Not many industries where you can get the raw materials for $700m and sell them with a 10x markup

 

[Number37]

& our multitudes of highly paid, professional, full time bureaucrats know every one of them.

Unlike those lowly paid, unprofessional, part time bureaucrats...are they the ones getting the arse when Scummo guts the public service?

 

[Number37]

But if we target the billionaires,they'll take their money they're not investing in Australia and put it somewhere else!!!

Does that mean they won't pay the tax they never paid?