Rumour 2022 Rumour Discussion Thread

[Scorpus]

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[Mego Red]

Stop with the boomer s**t. It makes your posts less credible.

It would be easier for people to just stop posting stupid boomer shit.

 

[Mego Red]

…and one of the reasons he isn’t getting picked, so he can’t reach those KPIs…?

That's an interesting possibility. Not sure it occured to channel 9, but if Crouch has a trigger for year two and he feels we're unfairly stopping him reach it, then it could get tense.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

We’ll at least we are active.

We should be very active given the state of our list.

 

[conVINCEd]

Yeah - its an extremely weird thing to come out and say if he is contracted until the end of 2023.

It's another **** up on our PR team. The messaging is terrible.

A month ago Matt Crouch is required and when Nicks is quoted as saying "Matty is an important part of our squad". Then a month later Nicks meets with Crouch and tells him he is done.

Maybe because Crouch insisted on an answer so he could plan his future? And it isn’t anything we’ve said publicly - this is Crouch and his management leaking this.

Maybe Nicks/list management made a clear decision about it in the last month.

Bloody great move, I’m happy.

Nearly everyone on this board doesn’t want Crouch playing but now some are whinging that we’re pushing him out.

 

[conVINCEd]

Dumb dumb dumb given Crouch has been a great clubman the very opposite of Jenkins. Whatever trade value he had is now virtually nought.

Unlikely it was our call to make it public.

 

[jackster83]

There's few things sadder than middle aged men calling each other boomers. You're not fooling anyone.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Funny the newsreader on the Today show read out the Crouch story, they obviously have no clue who he is and said his career was effectively over. No mention of a contract already for next year

 

[AFC979810]

Maybe because Crouch insisted on an answer so he could plan his future? And it isn’t anything we’ve said publicly - this is Crouch and his management leaking this.

Maybe Nicks/list management made a clear decision about it in the last month.

Bloody great move, I’m happy.

Nearly everyone on this board doesn’t want Crouch playing but now some are whinging that we’re pushing him out.

Not upset at all that he won't play again for the Crows at all.

What is the issue is that our coach came out less than a month ago saying he was a required player and "an important part of our squad" then it is leaked 4 weeks later that we told him we aren't going to renew his contract (which according to most reports finishes at the end of 2023).

Its a shitty look and another PR **** up by the club.

 

[BunjiMac]

Not upset at all that he won't play again for the Crows at all.

What is the issue is that our coach came out less than a month ago saying he was a required player and "an important part of our squad" then it is leaked 4 weeks later that we told him we aren't going to renew his contract (which according to most reports finishes at the end of 2023).

Its a shitty look and another PR **** up by the club.

This sort of thing is what has deminished all credibility for Nicks, be says things with zero substance and the actions and outcomes are usually the complete opposite.

He's just a guy that coaches in catch phrases without a clue of how to make these thing happen.

If there's any actual progress it's usually by accident.

 

[mitchyboy23]

I did asterisk the note as potential.
There's no way to verify the JC or Ross Lyon rumours.
The JHF note you made was that after the Roos had declined the three firsts deal. There's no way of verifying if we offered more because there's nothing in print to say we did (more than three firsts).

Not a crack, or a suggestion they weren't true, just there's no evidence.

1. After the 11.10 post this link is the only suggestion. Not verified.

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2. Dawson trade was last minute. This one didn't work out.

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3. Can't find any evidence of a 2020 Jeremy Cameron crows offer. Found one in 2015 which is interesting.

4. Ross Lyon

No evidence to suggest Ross was favourite and even being considered at the time of your post. Ross's comments suggest he wasn't involved.

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Ross Lyon reveals chat with Crows director

“I think he’ll coach again."

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5. Clarko to be crows coach
Well that one just flat out wasn't true nor close to being true.

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LOL the last one was a joke. Bald-headed bloke = Andrew Jarman. Remember he was the one who said Clarkson to Crows was happening.
There's a difference between me posting a rumor and me having an opinion or making a joke.
Believe me or not, I really don't care. But if you look through all of my post history you will see I have been correct on many occasions... and when I have been "wrong" it's only because it can't be confirmed with proof.

• I stated Burgess to Crows as 100% done
• Crows very happy with Nicks and will be for a couple of years - July 21
• Van Berlo to Crows coaching panel - Sept 2019
• Dawson deal - everything I said was correct - club selection made, deal, final offer etc. I don't control when deals are accepted or paperwork lodged.
• Betts to Carlton - Sept 2019
• Ross Lyon spoken to by Crows - this was confirmed by Ross himself - news reported it "Ex-Fremantle coach Ross Lyon has revealed that he was approached to be the next Adelaide Crows coach after Don Pyke's sacking last season". Roo wanted him but Ross wasn't keen.

 

[plugger59]

Not upset at all that he won't play again for the Crows at all.

What is the issue is that our coach came out less than a month ago saying he was a required player and "an important part of our squad" then it is leaked 4 weeks later that we told him we aren't going to renew his contract (which according to most reports finishes at the end of 2023).

Its a shitty look and another PR **** up by the club.

Devil's advocate here... and I have absolutely no knowledge how a football club /list management works. But my first thought yesterday was that the Crouch camp leaked the story, not the club. AFC has absolutely no benefit (in fact , on the contrary) to leak it.
What if his manager asked list management where Crouch stood going forward so they could plan Crouch's future? And the AFC told them the cold hard truth? Surely these sorts of conversations happen every single day, and especially this time of year, between player managers and clubs. When confronted with this sort of news, most players / managers just get on with the business of looking for the next opportunity.
Again, surely this happens all the time in every club. It's just this time someone has thrown the toys out the cot.

 

[chrisso crow]

We should be very active given the state of our list.

Roo said last night that "we're only a couple of players away from being pretty good". No wonder we are where we are right now. Rebuild done, just need some cherries to top it off.

I'm hoping that "a couple" isn't 2 in this instance.

 

[happy_knackers]

Devil's advocate here... and I have absolutely no knowledge how a football club /list management works. But my first thought yesterday was that the Crouch camp leaked the story, not the club. AFC has absolutely no benefit (in fact , on the contrary) to leak it.
What if his manager asked list management where Crouch stood going forward so they could plan Crouch's future? And the AFC told them the cold hard truth? Surely these sorts of conversations happen every single day, and especially this time of year, between player managers and clubs. When confronted with this sort of news, most players / managers just get on with the business of looking for the next opportunity.
Again, surely this happens all the time in every club. It's just this time someone has thrown the toys out the cot.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

That's an interesting possibility. Not sure it occured to channel 9, but if Crouch has a trigger for year two and he feels we're unfairly stopping him reach it, then it could get tense.

He’s contracted for next year. They wouldn’t have included years potentially ‘triggered’ when officially advising contracts to the AFL

He’s contracted for 2023. If we have the cap room we can try and cover his whole wage bill next year and sell him to a team with cap issues that can do with an inside mid. Might get a better draft pick out of that scenario that anything else.


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[AFC979810]

Devil's advocate here... and I have absolutely no knowledge how a football club /list management works. But my first thought yesterday was that the Crouch camp leaked the story, not the club. AFC has absolutely no benefit (in fact , on the contrary) to leak it.
What if his manager asked list management where Crouch stood going forward so they could plan Crouch's future? And the AFC told them the cold hard truth? Surely these sorts of conversations happen every single day, and especially this time of year, between player managers and clubs. When confronted with this sort of news, most players / managers just get on with the business of looking for the next opportunity.
Again, surely this happens all the time in every club. It's just this time someone has thrown the toys out the cot.

You manage the situation. You tell him - you are contracted until the end of 2023. We will discuss 2023 plans at the end of the year when we do our reviews.

 

[Sanders]

He’s contracted for next year. They wouldn’t have included years potentially ‘triggered’ when officially advising contracts to the AFL

But seeing as contracts aren’t public, your point doesn’t make a lot of sense: the AFL has not advised publicly the contract details

 

[1990crow]

LOL the last one was a joke. Bald-headed bloke = Andrew Jarman. Remember he was the one who said Clarkson to Crows was happening.
There's a difference between me posting a rumor and me having an opinion or making a joke.
Believe me or not, I really don't care. But if you look through all of my post history you will see I have been correct on many occasions... and when I have been "wrong" it's only because it can't be confirmed with proof.

• I stated Burgess to Crows as 100% done
• Crows very happy with Nicks and will be for a couple of years - July 21
• Van Berlo to Crows coaching panel - Sept 2019
• Dawson deal - everything I said was correct - club selection made, deal, final offer etc. I don't control when deals are accepted or paperwork lodged.
• Betts to Carlton - Sept 2019
• Ross Lyon spoken to by Crows - this was confirmed by Ross himself - news reported it "Ex-Fremantle coach Ross Lyon has revealed that he was approached to be the next Adelaide Crows coach after Don Pyke's sacking last season". Roo wanted him but Ross wasn't keen.

Like I said not a crack, just you can't verify your rumours on the most part.

Burgess anyone could have guessed that and it was widely known anyway.
Nicks didnt really have any pressure to perform so not a huge leap to say club was happy with him.
I read your VB rumour as you were suggesting he might be senior coach.
Dawson deal didn't happen as you said.
Betts don't know either way.
Lyon didnt happen as you stated. You said he was deep in process, he stated he was only even approached once and he wasn't interested.

 

[ContrarianCrow]

Like I said not a crack, just you can't verify your rumours on the most part.

Burgess anyone could have guessed that and it was widely known anyway.
Nicks didnt really have any pressure to perform so not a huge leap to say club was happy with him.
I read your VB rumour as you were suggesting he might be senior coach.
Dawson deal didn't happen as you said.
Betts don't know either way.
Lyon didnt happen as you stated. You said he was deep in process, he stated he was only even approached once and he wasn't interested.

"Not having a crack" as you go through and dig up his every post and screenshot it to the thread? And then discount the stuff that he got right? Not sure why people desperately need to turn into internet detectives every time someone posts inside info. I remember when Metric System (?) was posting info that turned out to be spot on and people were calling him a troll and a Port supporter because it wasn't what they wanted to hear. The actual credible people end up getting chased off and we're left with nuffies like FAITH posting rubbish (Thilthorpe won't go in the top 10 )or aliases posting what they allegedly overheard at a cafe or from Beau Waters' mum.

Take it at face value - the BS artists always end up outing themselves in the long run. mitchyboy23 doesn't appear to be one of them.

 

[StickerMan]

Like I said not a crack, just you can't verify your rumours on the most part.

Burgess anyone could have guessed that and it was widely known anyway.
Nicks didnt really have any pressure to perform so not a huge leap to say club was happy with him.
I read your VB rumour as you were suggesting he might be senior coach.
Dawson deal didn't happen as you said.
Betts don't know either way.
Lyon didnt happen as you stated. You said he was deep in process, he stated he was only even approached once and he wasn't interested.

"not a crack"

Continues on to have more of a crack...

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Surely if he sticks around then Crouch will outlast Nicks at this point. Why would he worry?

Reminiscent of Kane and Primus.

Both former club champions and similar sort of stat padders af the same stage of their careers.

 

[spenze]

Love to see him have a crack if that wasn’t

 

[cleanhands]

Love to see him have a crack if that wasn’t

Some posters self over inflated intelligence and ego outshines their humility

 

[ftmch]

Its a bit of damned if we do and damned if we don't with him. If we don't play him and just let him sit in the SANFL side then his value is rock bottom and we will be lucky to get anyone wanting to take him on. If we played him for the last block of games with an eye to having him get a swag of stats it might boost his value but it takes valuable game time away from one of the younger mids and we all saw how Berry thrived on the weekend - particularly in the 2nd quarter. Play the kids and they will show you what they can do

No doubt the better option for the club moving forward is to not deny the kids their chance for game time even if it means we get almost nothing for Matt and we just wear it. A tick for list management if that is the case.

And I would put on record that I think Matt has been a very good player for us for a number of years and its just that we need a different style of player in the guts rather than a pure accumulator. So I wish him well wherever he ends up playing in the future.

One of the great fallacies among BigFooty punters is the notion that a club playing a player in it's first 22 influences the perceived value of said player from other clubs who may be potential suitors.

Whether Matt Crouch plays every game for the rest of the year, or languishes in the SANFL - other clubs by this stage know excactly what he would (and would not) bring to the table for their club. Playing him would have bugger all impact on his marketability at this point.

 

[ftmch]

Devil's advocate here... and I have absolutely no knowledge how a football club /list management works. But my first thought yesterday was that the Crouch camp leaked the story, not the club. AFC has absolutely no benefit (in fact , on the contrary) to leak it.
What if his manager asked list management where Crouch stood going forward so they could plan Crouch's future? And the AFC told them the cold hard truth? Surely these sorts of conversations happen every single day, and especially this time of year, between player managers and clubs. When confronted with this sort of news, most players / managers just get on with the business of looking for the next opportunity.
Again, surely this happens all the time in every club. It's just this time someone has thrown the toys out the cot.

My first thought as well

 

[jenny61_99]

One of the great fallacies among BigFooty punters is the notion that a club playing a player in it's first 22 influences the perceived value of said player from other clubs who may be potential suitors.

Whether Matt Crouch plays every game for the rest of the year, or languishes in the SANFL - other clubs by this stage know excactly what he would (and would not) bring to the table for their club. Playing him would have bugger all impact on his marketability at this point.

The only thing that not playing him does is lower his value in a trade situation. If he's best 22 and played weekly, his value is much higher than if he's languishing in the twos.