Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

And i will double down.

We are having a massive crack at Barass

I've heard that too without saying to much, my info says it will be 50/50 to get him to tell his manager ok, what percentage have you been giving if any?

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

English?

I mean I could be tempted…

Yes and get Goldstien for 2 years until we get a younger ruck

 

[Mofra]

Jones from what I'm leading to believe has not had much injuries and is going to come back in ripping shape and its 2 years with an option for a third.

I'm far more comfortable with 2+1 than I am with three, although I have doubts about the second year.
He's one calf away from being nursed through a season especially as he really does rely on his leap

 

[Mofra]

English?

I mean I could be tempted…

TBH I would too for Barrass.
Strachan would an ideal replacement, cheap enough at trade time and Adelaide would let him go.

 

[Chalky White]

Because in a corporate environment you don't have thousands of adoring children looking up to you.

It it a privilege to make a living kicking a ball around a park and with that comes a certain sacrifice. It isn't like any other job. And it is what it is.

That we have supporters who give a club that gives them pretty much nothing in return money each year (I'm not talking memberships I'm talking donations and sponsorships) for no logical reason means it's just not a normal or comparable workplace.

What you say about aspects of toxic fandom is true but also not helping your corporate analogy either.

Argue on the merits of players being calculated if you must but leave the tired metaphor behind.

It's not a privilege. It is something these kids have worked hard for. Sure they enjoy the game at the start but it soon become just a job for most of them.
If a player gets offered 5hitloads elsewhere, he'd be mad not to take it

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

No at Pick 60 he is worth more to us than the pick but

Hypothetical - We want Barrass for instance if WC include Sweet as part of the deal and we are happy with everything else Do you do it?

If Yes you are a ruck down (regardless of what you think of his ability as 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc ruck) on your list.

Yes but we could entice Goldstein for a year or look at Meek or one of the two giants rucks. Eagles allegedly asked about Sweet before we signed him, unless that was put up by his manager to get us to offer 2 years.

 

[BallaratBulldog]

Jones from what I'm leading to believe has not had much injuries and is going to come back in ripping shape and its 2 years with an option for a third.

We thought that about Keath and not being beat up playing cricket. You never know. Age catches up to everyone.

 

[Dog 36]

Yes but we could entice Goldstein for a year or look at Meek or one of the two giants rucks. Eagles allegedly asked about Sweet before we signed him, unless that was put up by his manager to get us to offer 2 years.

I think it was genuine interest from West Coast but I agree definitely manager would have used it as leverage.

 

[Bald]

We thought that about Keath and not being beat up playing cricket. You never know. Age catches up to everyone.

I actually don't think Keath's issues are fitness or age, I reckon he's just beaten up and a bit injured. I still think he can reclaim his form with a pre-season and will be helped by the fact that he won't be playing the gorilla role (with any luck).

 

[flamethrower]

Tom Barrass

37

Tom Barrass

Age

30

Ht

197cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

8.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

6.1

5star

T

0.9

3star

MG

158.5

3star

D

10.1

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

2.1

2star

M

5.6

5star

T

0.3

1star

MG

139.6

2star

D

11.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

0.4

3star

MG

160.0

3star

is a Perth boy, just signed a 5 year extension, and will be the next captain of the West Coast Eagles - one of the powerhouse clubs of the competition.

Why would he give all that up to join an insignificant minnow club like the Bulldogs.

 

[Munnez]

Tom Barrass is a Perth boy, just signed a 5 year extension, and will be the next captain of the West Coast Eagles - one of the powerhouse clubs of the competition.

Why would he give all that up to join an insignificant minnow club like the Bulldogs.

Possibly an opportunity at a flag before he is done Eagles are going to be a while regenerating

 

[scooter600x]

All of these arguments underpin the rational of the metaphor. The argument that players, once drafted and employed by individual clubs, should consider the children who support, the privilege associated and ‘supporters being owed’ by those clubs, may be relevant for some players (thank god for Bontempelli) but not for others.

The AFL players association have made it abundantly clear in their negociations that player choice of movement between clubs has to be a right absolutely because they are employees. They argue that any employee of any business in the corporate world has that right. Indeed they’ve threatened to test that right, and try to prove and found a legal precedent, on multiple occasions. The AFL has backed down each time to avoid that because the AFL house would lose that argument. And if they lost the argument, the concept of the draft and other equalisation measures would fall from the wayside and Collingwood or Essendon would win another 16 flags etc etc.

Its therefore a corporate business. Some players will stay out of goodwill but the corporate analogy (although you may not like it and it takes away some of the beautiful parts of the AFL) is absolutely correct. We are just lucky that many players do believe in paying it back like Bailey Smith just confirmed he incorporated into his own decision to re-sign. I don’t like the fact that it’s corporate and cutthroat either and I hate losing players (particularly to Essendon - I’ll be massively pissed off if Dunkley nominates them as we will be screwed) but the corporate analogy is he only one to use because it’s absolutely how the Dunkley types view their decisions in this space.

The significant difference is that neither the AFL or the clubs have shareholders looking for (financial) returns on investment. They are non-profit organisations. The AFL continually forgets it’s prime objective is to run a fair and equitable football competition. Sure they have to be financially responsible, but they are not there to make big profits.

 

[cleveland]

I've heard that too without saying to much, my info says it will be 50/50 to get him to tell his manager ok, what percentage have you been giving if any?

No

Just we are having a crack.

 

[doggy_dog]

TBH I would too for Barrass.
Strachan would an ideal replacement, cheap enough at trade time and Adelaide would let him go.

Meek another

 

[NthBondiDoggies]

Hard part about recruiting is are we recruiting because of talent gaps or injuries and form?

- Bruce, Keath, Bont, Daniel, Duryea, Williams, Hunter, Smith, Martin, TOB and Crozier are all in positions we need but are not playing to the potential you would have them if they would be recruited. Solid finals team with them playing to their usual level.

On structure and talent:

• a solid KPD (given that Gardner is a trier but doesn’t have the talent)
• a fast winger (playing McNeil and Williams or a midfielder has to play there)
• ruckman (given limitations and attitude to Sweet) and
• fast crumbing forward (García looking good but has more fight than creativity)

 

[VitalDread]

We one thing we need this off season is to trade in or draft some lock down defenders

Our run and gun defenders just burn us week by week

 

[dergert]

Save the $$$ and let Barrass, Lobb and Jones go.

We're ****ed and won't win anything with this maniac at the helm.

 

[Northernsoul74]

We one thing we need this off season is to trade in or draft some lock down defenders

Our run and gun defenders just burn us week by week

Whilst I agree I’d also want to have confidence that our game plan/structure would actually us them.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

TBH I would too for Barrass.
Strachan would an ideal replacement, cheap enough at trade time and Adelaide would let him go.

Would love Barrass but while we’re playing a 54yo Martin, I’d rather not let go of our ruckman

 

[Lex22]

Tom Hawkins is 198cm and 103kg Sean Darcy is 203cm and 110kg for someone who is 211cm 105kg isnt that much. He isn't a psychically imposing player at all minus his height is the point yet is still effective and is a good comparable to Darcy who has an advantage over him having played the game for 19 years

Surely Hawkins is heavier than that?

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

We one thing we need this off season is to trade in or draft some lock down defenders

Our run and gun defenders just burn us week by week

I've said this before, but the play was to trade CD with high value into a player in a position of need.

I like all three players individually, but I have significant doubts that Dale, Daniel, and Richards can ever play together in a back six that doesn't leak like a sieve.

 

[LittleG]

I've said this before, but the play was to trade CD with high value into a player in a position of need.

I like all three players individually, but I have significant doubts that Dale, Daniel, and Richards can ever play together in a back six that doesn't leak like a sieve.

Dann, this was indeed the play.

Unless CD can become the best inside 50 kick in our team…. That would open a position for him at HHF. Apart from that, he really should have been allowed to explore his options. IF there was nothing there, then we could offer a contract to stay but on lower $’s.

 

[doggy_dog]

We one thing we need this off season is to trade in or draft some lock down defenders

Our run and gun defenders just burn us week by week

Yeah someone needs to fill Duryea’s shoes

 

[doggiesin08]

I've said this before, but the play was to trade CD with high value into a player in a position of need.

I like all three players individually, but I have significant doubts that Dale, Daniel, and Richards can ever play together in a back six that doesn't leak like a sieve.

Unfair on Richards. A backline with 4-5 Richards and 1-2 proper talls would be amazing.

 

[Chalky White]

Unfair on Richards. A backline with 4-5 Richards and 1-2 proper talls would be amazing.

Agree, Richards is the only one of the three that actually defends. You can put Bailey Williams in that group also.
How he is getting a game is beyond me. About as useful on a wing as an ashtray is on a motorbike.
Too many downhill types in our back half