Autopsy AFL 2022 First Preliminary Final - Cats v Lions Fri Sept 16th 7:50pm EST (MCG)

[robharveywannabe1988]

Got a feeling Brisbane will get up after their big confidence boosting win last week

 

[Rod Stroker]

Fort damn stiff to be dropped.

 

[blueiris]

Fort damn stiff to be dropped.

Why he didn’t play the 5 weeks prior

 

[Rod Stroker]

Why he didn’t play the 5 weeks prior

Your match committee didn't select him

 

[blueiris]

Your match committee didn't select him

Yeah we’re a pretty tall team Geelong only have the one ruckman and Big O has been training all week Nick Riewoldt said tonight Fort could be the Substitute

 

[blueiris]

What’s the go with HAWKINS why hasn’t he trained this week and if he has it’s only been light duties I don’t think he’ll miss but it does seem strange

 

[Rod Stroker]

Yeah we’re a pretty tall team Geelong only have the one ruckman and Big O has been training all week Nick Riewoldt said tonight Fort could be the Substitute

Personally, I think O is over rated, never seen him tear a game apart. Lacks presence and isn't a match winner.

 

[blueiris]

Personally, I think O is over rated, never seen him tear a game apart. Lacks presence and isn't a match winner.

Pfft He’s had great battles with Grundy Darcy and Gawn but okay and he‘s actually won a few games

 

[Xtreme]

Got a feeling Brisbane will get up after their big confidence boosting win last week

Based on the selection(s) I think Geelong are already on the backfoot.

 

[Oldmangrumpy]

Cats are due to drop a game, can see it happening

 

[catstorm]

I expect the Lions to come out and go BANG from the outset, much like we did in Rd. 15 last year. All the pressure is on Geelong tomorrow night, while Brisbane gets to have another free swing.

No such thing as a free swing in a Prelim, this is the nitty gritty and both teams are well aware they are on win from a Grand final.

 

[Wojcinski]

It depends how the game is played. We match up better against Geelong that we do against Melbourne. We played out of our skins in the second half last week and our pressure rating was so high I doubt anyone would have withstood us.

Over the last few seasons we have been almost splitting the contests against Geelong and that is encouraging. I suspect that our players have improved radically since the start of the year and we are in amazing form at the business end of the season. Our recent contests are:

Round 4 2022: Geelong beat Brisbane by 10 points at Kardinia Park

Round 15 2021: Brisbane beat Geelong by 44 points at the Gabba

Round 2 2021: Geelong beat Brisbane by 1 point at Kardinia Park after a crucial umpiring error cost Brisbane the game, which was conceded by the AFL

In the 2020 Preliminary Final: Geelong beat Brisbane by 40 points at the Gabba

Round 6 2020 Geelong beat Brisbane by 27 points at the SCG

Round 22 2019 Brisbane beat Geelong by 1 point at the Gabba.

I expect the Lions to come out and go BANG from the outset, much like we did in Rd. 15 last year. All the pressure is on Geelong tomorrow night, while Brisbane gets to have another free swing.

A free swing? In a prelim? LOL

 

[3KZ is Football]

A free swing? In a prelim? LOL

No such thing as a free swing in a Prelim, this is the nitty gritty and both teams are well aware they are on win from a Grand final.

The weight of expectation is on Geelong’s shoulders. We have been outsiders in our previous two finals and won. We even got out to 4.00 against Melbourne when Daniher withdrew from the team. After the Richmond win we crushed Melbourne by playing like we had nothing to lose. It was Melbourne, the short priced favourites who choked. Tomorrow we do get a free swing at Geelong. No one expected us to get this far, so we may as well throw caution to the wind and play our shots. In form, in that mindset and with the talent on our list, I’d be a bit nervous if I was a Cats fan.

 

[Soggy2112]

I expect the Lions to come out and go BANG from the outset, much like we did in Rd. 15 last year. All the pressure is on Geelong tomorrow night, while Brisbane gets to have another free swing.

The free swing argument is silly.

Brisbane underperformed in the home and away season and have made their lives harder in the finals, but coming into the season their expectation was to push for a flag, just like Geelong. There is plenty of pressure on them too.

Lions have now been at the pointy end of the ladder for four years, history suggests most teams don’t stay there for a whole lot longer than that, they need to capitalise on their opportunities soon or they could be facing another rebuild without a flag.

 

[Xtreme]

The free swing argument is silly.

Brisbane underperformed in the home and away season and have made their lives harder in the finals, but coming into the season their expectation was to push for a flag, just like Geelong. There is plenty of pressure on them too.

Lions have now been at the pointy end of the ladder for four years, history suggests most teams don’t stay there for a whole lot longer than that, they need to capitalise on their opportunities soon or they could be facing another rebuild without a flag.

It's definitely a free swing for Brisbane.

All of the pressure and expectation is on Geelong

Minor premiers
Media favourite to win it all (internally I'm sure it's the same)
Currently on a long winning streak

Brisbane have under performed and nobody expected them to make the prelim final. They have nothing to lose, but everything to gain by playing out of their skins and sending Geelong back to well Geelong

 

[Toffee Lion]

The free swing argument is silly.

Brisbane underperformed in the home and away season and have made their lives harder in the finals, but coming into the season their expectation was to push for a flag, just like Geelong. There is plenty of pressure on them too.

Lions have now been at the pointy end of the ladder for four years, history suggests most teams don’t stay there for a whole lot longer than that, they need to capitalise on their opportunities soon or they could be facing another rebuild without a flag.

Interesting point. I think since the Lions got to the top with a very young list (The rise in 2019), we're not due to come down for a while longer to come.

Throw in Ashcroft & Dunkley and I honestly believe we can do a Geelong for the rest of the 20's and keep contending each year.

Easier said than done though and a lot can change quickly (Injuries, trade requests etc.).

 

[3KZ is Football]

The free swing argument is silly.

Brisbane underperformed in the home and away season and have made their lives harder in the finals, but coming into the season their expectation was to push for a flag, just like Geelong. There is plenty of pressure on them too.

Lions have now been at the pointy end of the ladder for four years, history suggests most teams don’t stay there for a whole lot longer than that, they need to capitalise on their opportunities soon or they could be facing another rebuild without a flag.

It’s a moot point, but I believe that it is the mindset of the Brisbane players and in that frame of mind we are deadly dangerous. I’m expecting Hipwood, Bailey and Charlie Cameron to get off the leash big time and look out for Cam Rayner who is set to break a big game wide open. Throw Neale, Berry, McCluggage, Daniher, McStay, McCarthy, Coleman, Zorko, Starcevich and Rich into the mix and I can see us going for broke with devastating consequences for Geelong.

Another upset looms.

 

[Soggy2112]

It's definitely a free swing for Brisbane.

All of the pressure and expectation is on Geelong

Minor premiers
Media favourite to win it all (internally I'm sure it's the same)
Currently on a long winning streak

Brisbane have under performed and nobody expected them to make the prelim final. They have nothing to lose, but everything to gain by playing out of their skins and sending Geelong back to well Geelong

What do you mean nothing to lose? Prelim finals are incredibly hard to get to, Brisbane know that better than anyone over the last couple of years. Every time you play in one it’s an opportunity that you can’t waste.

Interesting point. I think since the Lions got to the top with a very young list (The rise in 2019), we're not due to come down for a while longer to come.

Throw in Ashcroft & Dunkley and I honestly believe we can do a Geelong for the rest of the 20's and keep contending each year.

Easier said than done though and a lot can change quickly (Injuries, trade requests etc.).

They certainly are capable, but as I said, history is filled with teams who probably thought they’d be able to go again after being knocked out, only to find they’d wasted their chance: Freo 2015, St Kilda 2010, Bulldogs 2010, Adelaide 2006 etc. the Dogs of 2021 may be about to join that group They have an opportunity now and they need to take it, it’s not a free hit.

It’s a moot point, but I believe that it is the mindset of the Brisbane players and in that frame of mind we are deadly dangerous. I’m expecting Hipwood, Bailey and Charlie Cameron to get off the leash big time and look out for Cam Rayner who is set to break a big game wide open. Throw Neale, Berry, McCluggage, Daniher, McStay, McCarthy, Coleman, Zorko, Starcevich and Rich into the mix and I can see us going for broke with devastating consequences for Geelong.

Another upset looms.

If it’s a moot point why do you keep arguing it?

I do sense the Lions thrived on being underdogs last Friday, but this is a very different challenge.

I thought the Dees would win comfortably, however they were 6-7 leading into the game. Geelong have won 12 in a row.

 

[iBeng]

Personally, I think O is over rated, never seen him tear a game apart. Lacks presence and isn't a match winner.

Literally tore you blokes apart a year or so ago.

 

[Mr Meow]

Cats are due to drop a game, can see it happening

What, like in 2011? Or Richmond during a couple of their flag years? "Due to drop a game" doesn't make any sense. Just say "I hope they lose".

 

[rugmop]

Personally, I think O is over rated, never seen him tear a game apart. Lacks presence and isn't a match winner.

In a way, you are both right and wrong about Oscar. Admittedly, he rarely dominates games. He takes a good mark and is a much better kick for goal than he is in general play. Wait for it though - he is rarely comprehensively beaten. Gawn, arguably the best ruckman since 'Polly" Farmer, hates playing against Oscar, because he follows him wherever he goes - no cheap kicks for opposing ruckmen. He is immeasurably better than any player Geelong has at their disposal in that position .

 

[Mr Meow]

The weight of expectation is on Geelong’s shoulders. We have been outsiders in our previous two finals and won. We even got out to 4.00 against Melbourne when Daniher withdrew from the team. After the Richmond win we crushed Melbourne by playing like we had nothing to lose. It was Melbourne, the short priced favourites who choked. Tomorrow we do get a free swing at Geelong. No one expected us to get this far, so we may as well throw caution to the wind and play our shots. In form, in that mindset and with the talent on our list, I’d be a bit nervous if I was a Cats fan.

After taking down the last two premiers, Brisbane should be favourites for this. Geelong could barely get past a Collingwood side with average winning margin of 1.2 points.

Fagan and this group of Lions need a GF after a period with multiple top 2 finishes but one comfortable prelim loss being the best result.

Everybody already knows Scott's Cats couldn't win a final to save their lives. The last Geelong prelim won after a week off was 2011!

Free hit Geelong. Hopefully Brisbane cope with the pressure.

 

[Mr Meow]

It’s a moot point, but I believe that it is the mindset of the Brisbane players and in that frame of mind we are deadly dangerous. I’m expecting Hipwood, Bailey and Charlie Cameron to get off the leash big time and look out for Cam Rayner who is set to break a big game wide open. Throw Neale, Berry, McCluggage, Daniher, McStay, McCarthy, Coleman, Zorko, Starcevich and Rich into the mix and I can see us going for broke with devastating consequences for Geelong.

Another upset looms.

Does this work by whoever names the most players wins? Because I can't see the Lions stopping Cameron, Hawkins, Stengle, Close, Miers, Rohan, Duncan, Smith, Tuohy, Blicavs, Atkins, Danger, Selwood, Holmes, Guthriex2, Stanley, Stewart, Henry, Kolo, Bews or De Koning either.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

What do you mean nothing to lose? Prelim finals are incredibly hard to get to, Brisbane know that better than anyone over the last couple of years. Every time you play in one it’s an opportunity that you can’t waste.


They certainly are capable, but as I said, history is filled with teams who probably thought they’d be able to go again after being knocked out, only to find they’d wasted their chance: Freo 2015, St Kilda 2010, Bulldogs 2010, Adelaide 2006 etc. the Dogs of 2021 may be about to join that group They have an opportunity now and they need to take it, it’s not a free hit.


If it’s a moot point why do you keep arguing it?

I do sense the Lions thrived on being underdogs last Friday, but this is a very different challenge.

I thought the Dees would win comfortably, however they were 6-7 leading into the game. Geelong have won 12 in a row.

They have won more than that haven't they thought it was 13?. We're talking uncharted territory since Brisbane in 2001 for Geelong. Going nearly 2/3rds of the year undefeated to win the flag. Collingwood had the blueprint and probably should have won bar some mental lapses late in the game and Brisbane on paper has more talent and at their best certainly more than capable. They need Hipwood and Daniher making decent contributions to make the Cats defence nervous. Might see a defensive forward on Stewart. I'd certainly be looking at it if I was Fagan could be the difference between winning and losing.

 

[Rod Stroker]

Literally tore you blokes apart a year or so ago.

I don't recall it. But if he did, we've been the worst team by some distance over the last 3 years, so it's hardly an achievement for him.