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Orville Peck. Adds to your theory Prof, started out as a drummer in Canadian punk band. Don't be fooled though he's South African.
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How do you explain the different styles of country music with respect to sub genres.Playing "Lera Lynn – Something More Than Love" atm. Good release but somehow a little more pop sound and feeling about it compared to others. Prefer the more country/folk/songwriter stuff she did. Also not as dark as some other material. I like the gig where she said something like: "I found out that this place used to be a morgue. And checked my setlist: 3/4 of my songs today are about death."
For a very long winded answer, you could refer to post # 404, which is about the rise of The Nashville Sound in theHow do you explain the different styles of country music with respect to sub genres.
Sturgill Simpson VS Chris Stapleton Vs Keith Urban vs Lera Lynn (almost dream pop to me than country) reminds me of Lana Del Rey
Thanks for the summary, I'll read into itFor a very long winded answer, you could refer to post # 404, which is about the rise of The Nashville Sound in the late 1950's (which later evolved even more into the Countrypolitan sound of the early/mid 1970's), post # 455 on the Bakersfield Sound and post # 527 about changes through the 1960's. And real soon now, I'll do a further rehash on the 1970's to introduce The Outlaws into the history.
For a real short answer - It's all about appealing to different markets. Though country music has its roots in the rural and/or blue collar market (which was still the majority of the U.S. population in 1950), country music, led by some crafty record producers like Chet Atkins) also set its sights on the more lucrative middle class/suburban/
mature age market, starting with the Nashville Sound - and this dichotomy in country music has pretty much continued in one form or another ever since. Thus, Sturgill Simpson and Chris Stapleton appeal to your more traditional country or blue collar audience while Keith Urban is more for your mainstream suburban market.
Another factor is age - loads of country music last century targeted an older audience than the latest pop/rock hit, while The Outlaws went after a younger audience with hard core country, but over the last 20 years the big music companies have done a pretty good (or at least lucrative) job of dressing up a lot of pop/soft rock with puerile generic lyrics as "Country" and sold it to a younger audience who don't know any better. However, there are signs the wheel may be turning again for the better.
Have to admit I am no expert. Was only based on personal feelings.How do you explain the different styles of country music with respect to sub genres.
Sturgill Simpson VS Chris Stapleton Vs Keith Urban vs Lera Lynn (almost dream pop to me than country) reminds me of Lana Del Rey
I've had a change of heart, after reflecting on recent sad news.What!!!!!
No Australians Prof. How could you?
I've had a change of heart, after reflecting on recent sad news.
I confess I didn't have Olivia Newton-John marked down to be featured in this country music history series on the grounds her country music career had limited longevity (as opposed to her total career) and in that time, she didn't have any songs that could be described as classics or became country standards. However, reflecting on her passing, I thought I should include at least a mention here - and as I looked into her country music career, now I think I was shortchanging her achievements. And by sheer coincidence, right now is the perfect time to include Olivia into this series, concentrating on her country flavoured hits.
Born in Cambridge, England, Newton-John was raised in Melbourne from age 5, where her father was the headmaster of Ormond College (her grandfather, Max Born, won the Nobel Prize for physics. but Olivia, from childhood, was drawn to the stage. In 1962, at age 14, she formed an all-female vocal group with 3 school friends. In 1964, after starring in her Unversity High School play, she was runner-up in the Young Sun's Drama Award best schoolgirl actress. At age 15 she then became a regular on local Melbourne TV variety shows, including HSV-7's "The Happy Show", where she performed as "Lovely Livvy". She also appeared on "The Go!! Show" where she met her future duet partner, Pat Carroll, and her future music producer,, James Farrar. She starred in the 1965 musical telemovie, "Funny Things Happen Down Under", alongside then boyfriend, Ian Turpie.
At age 16, Olivia entered a TV talent contest hosted by Johnny O'Keefe, winning the grand prize of a trip to London. Once there, after an initial bout of intense homesickness, she formed a duo with Pat Carroll, another Australian-based vocalist, and worked her way into the music industry. Though her partnership with Carrol was short-lived (Carrol was sent back to Australia once her visa expired), Olivia was making inroads in the business and shortly afterward, she became a member of Toomorrow, a bubblegum group assembled n hopes of creating a British version of the Monkees.
Toomorrow appeared in a science fiction movie of the same name but only had one minor hit in 1970 before disbanding. Olivia then became part of Cliff Richard's popular touring show, appearing both as an opening act at his concerts and on his top-rating British TV series, "It's Cliff!" The exposure as a singer and comedienne on the show helped her career immeasurably. All she needed was the right song.
Dylan first wrote 'If Not For You' as a love song for his first wife, Sarah Dylan, and was first released on Dylan’s 'New Morning' album in 1970 - but in truth, Dylan (not for the first or last time) made a mess of the song. Just a few months after Dylan’s release, George Harrison (fresh off of The Beatles’ breakup) released his own much superior cover recording of the song, using a dobro for the first time (it then became his standard guitar of choice for the remainder of his career), its distinctive slide guitar riff giving the song a pronounced country flavour (Harrison was always a huge country music fan - see post # 291).
Anyway, Olivia recorded "If Not for You" on the suggestion of her manager after he had heard Harrison's treatment of the song, despite her reservation that it was not "her type of song". The producers John Farrar and Bruce Welch arranged the song closer to Harrison's version than Dylan's, with the slide guitar used in Harrison's version featuring prominently, and in 1971 it became Olivia's breakthrough international hit, reaching # 7 in both the U.K. and Australia, # 3 in Canada and even reached # 25 on the U.S. pop chart and topped the Adult Contemporary (AC) chart, despite her having no previous exposure in the U.S. -
Olivia recorded her follow-up single, 'On The Banks Of The Ohio' in 1971 for her album "If Not for You", and it became her first # 1 hit in Australia. It was also successful in the UK, peaking at # 6. Dating from the 19th century (writer unknown), the traditional song seems to start a series a sweet and tender love song- before quickly devolving into a ballad of cold blooded murder - all the while the backing vocals get ever more cheerful sounding, while the singer bewails her fate. The distinctive bass backing vocals were provided by English musician and vocal session arranger Mike Sammes. This video, where Olivia is obviously miming to the studio recording amongst a confused looking bunch of teens, is quite amusing -
Despite the success of 'Banks Of The Ohio' outside North America, in the U.S., Olivia's career was stalled - it barely scraped the Top 100, at # 94 - the old murder ballad was probably a bit too strange for U.S. tastes. For the next 2 years, Olivia's success was primarily contained to the U.K, where she remained living, and had a string of lesser hits with covers of George Harrison's 'What Is Life' and John Denver's 'Take Me Home Country Roads'. On the other hand, she didn't release a full-length album in the U.S. until 1973, when the pop-country 'Let Me Be There' appeared. The title track from the record, with Mike Sammes again providing the distinctive bass lines, became a big crossover hit, in 1974 and peaking at # 7 in the country charts and did even better in the pop charts at # 6.
'Let Me Be There' was so successful it won the Grammy Award for Best Female Vocal Performance, much to the consternation of many members of Nashville's music industry and traditional country fans, who had assumed Dolly Parton would win ahead of Loretta Lynn and Tanya Tucker. Olivia came from the clouds - and the world of pop - to beat these country music superstars.
Olivia stuck with the winning formula, including the bass vocal of Mike Sammes yet again, with 'If You Love Me (Let Me Know)', written by John Rostill. This became another international hit, including reaching # 2 in Australia and # 1 in Canada. It was her second release to hit the top 10 in the U.S. - but this times it crossed over 3 charts, reaching # 5 on the pop chart, # 2 on the AC chart and also reached # 2 on the country chart, thus proving Olvia's appeal to both pop and country fans with her agreeable blend of pop-country. It was nominated for the 1974 CMA Award for Single of the Year -
'I Honestly Love You' was written by Jeff Barry and Australian singer/songwriter, Peter Allen. It was recorded by Olivia in 1974 and became a worldwide pop hit, her first # 1 single in both the U.S. and Canada, as well as # 1 in Australia and U.S. AC chart. It remained her signature solo song until her cringeworthy but hugely popular, 1981 pop hit "Physical". Here, Olivia is drifting more towards pop than country, and it "only" got to # 6 on the country chart, yet the convincing emotion she puts into this performance is more reminiscent of a heart wrenching country song than the usually shallow world of pop -
Olivia moved to Los Angeles late in 1974, and early the following year, she won the Female Vocalist of the Year award from the CMA, a shock win ahead of Dolly Parton, Loretta Lynn and Tanya Tucker. As a protest against what they perceived as a pop "takeover" of country music, a number of CMA members quit and formed the ultimately short lived (ACE). Ironically, Olivia, who in interviews in the U.S. revealed a lack of country music basic knowledge - she hadn't even heard of the Appalachians - and her pop background, was already planning to move out of country. But tomorrow will have more on Olivia Newton John's pop-country career.
Thank you - and wow, you have lived and seen some history first hand that I can only ever read and write about!That's really good stuff Prof. I remember seeing Pat and Olivia perform together a number of times at Qclub (a dance in Kew) and was greatly disappointed when they left for overseas. They were very cute. I played pool with Ian Turpie many time at the Burvale. He would turn from filming up the road at Channel 0 which eventually became 10. He was known as Turps, which really was appropriate because he could drink like a fish. He could also play pool like a pro.
Personally my favourite Australian Country singer from around that time was Digby Richards with his ripper album "Harlequin", that had "A Little Piece of Peace" and "People Call Me Country". Sadly, just as he was establishing himself in the US he got pancreatic cancer and shortly after passed away aged 42.