List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part I

[George]

 

[bird_man]

We still have Allison and Sharman as tall forwards too.

Doubt Allison makes it past another contract and Sharman couldn't get a game with King, Membrey and Hayes all out

 

[The Boar]

Agree, although I don't see Bing keen on making a move back to defence

Yeah definitely debatable, really comes down to what he wants and where he sees himself. He'd be currently down on confidence as a forward and with his juniors background, he might be keen for a role down back.

For list balance, it would be best if Bing stays forward and Caminiti adds some ruck craft to his game if he possibly can.

Marshall, Caminiti and Keeler rolling through the ruck/bench/forward could be quite a combo if those two young boys come on.

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[The Boar]

We still have Allison and Sharman as tall forwards too.

Yeah I'm putting a line through them currently (happy to be wrong though).

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[sammm]

Doubt Allison makes it past another contract and Sharman couldn't get a game with King, Membrey and Hayes all out

I think Unless Sharman shows something on the wing he will be cut at the end of the year.
Tried forward, that worked in afl for 3 or 4 games, then tried back, again forawd now wing.

 

[gringo2011]

Doubt Allison makes it past another contract and Sharman couldn't get a game with King, Membrey and Hayes all out

Think Sharman is structural. He's a third tall more than a KP. Allison is contracted. Still listed. I thought that was a list of our tall forwards. I'm not sure pretending that they don't exist makes them disappear.

 

[sammm]

Alison is lucky he has until end of 2024. But they could just pay him out if they needed list spot

 

[gringo2011]

Alison is lucky he has until end of 2024. But they could just pay him out if they needed list spot

Clubs get smashed by the AFLPA if they do. More likely to delist a player they want to keep that is out of contract. I spoke to someone in confidence that there was a player we wanted to keep but Kent was contracted so delisted the keeper. Happens all the time.

 

[DougalHoward]

Clubs get smashed by the AFLPA if they do. More likely to delist a player they want to keep that is out of contract. I spoke to someone in confidence that there was a player we wanted to keep but Kent was contracted so delisted the keeper. Happens all the time.

Was that player Clavarino ?

 

[Armoooo]

Clubs get smashed by the AFLPA if they do. More likely to delist a player they want to keep that is out of contract. I spoke to someone in confidence that there was a player we wanted to keep but Kent was contracted so delisted the keeper. Happens all the time.

Surely should get easier now that the AFL has signed off salary dumps.

We also have the opportunity to delist and re-rookie don't we? We didn't take any players in the rookie draft last year so I would have thought we would have some spots available there.

 

[bird_man]

Think Sharman is structural. He's a third tall more than a KP. Allison is contracted. Still listed. I thought that was a list of our tall forwards. I'm not sure pretending that they don't exist makes them disappear.

Well we had all 3 talls out so if your 3rd tall can't get a game he's probably in trouble

The list did have 2025 written on top of it. I think it was more a prediction than what we have now.

The discussion has been around whether we need to bring any more key forwards in. I think we will

 

[Jade Buddha]

I’d like to see how Keeler and Van Es go before looking too far forward at talls. They are perfectly positioned as book ends for our future. Give them a couple of seasons at Moorabbin and see how they grow under RTB.

 

[goodie23]

I really want Gold Coast to succeed and to hold onto their best players and build something as formidable as Matthews's Brisbane,

but selfishly, I'd also absolutely love to get Noah Anderson and Ben King home, particularly the former. Hope that Gubby is cooking something up with a certain Saints board member.

Dean Anderson

Board member

www.saints.com.au

Remember it took the death of Fitzroy and the Bears to make that monster

 

[sammm]

Clubs get smashed by the AFLPA if they do. More likely to delist a player they want to keep that is out of contract. I spoke to someone in confidence that there was a player we wanted to keep but Kent was contracted so delisted the

we did it a few years ago. He got one game . Same season as Parker.paid the guy out.

 

[SaintsofSteel]

Doubt Allison makes it past another contract and Sharman couldn't get a game with King, Membrey and Hayes all out

I wouldnt right either off just yet, as obviously marking wingman are in vogue.

 

[gringo2011]

Was that player Clavarino ?

Promised not to say who it was as I was told in confidence. The guy who told me reckons it came from someone still at the club. Very possibly made up but the guy seems to know someone there.

 

[gringo2011]

we did it a few years ago. He got one game . Same season as Parker.paid the guy out.

Yeah we got the AFLPA pissed off about it. I think it was Robbie Young.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Assume Allison stays the delistees seem fairly self evident.

Highmore
Connelly
Dmac
Jones
Sharman

Personally I'd prefer keep Leo and Coops another season but if they can't get their numbers up by the end of the year then they probably have to go.
I'd add JB to that list giving roughly 5 players turnover which is the right number for us. Buggered if l know who we'd cut next year but that being a difficult exercise means the list is in good shape.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Yeah we got the AFLPA pissed off about it. I think it was Robbie Young.

Robbie was a 1 year rookie contract so it couldn't have been that. Though IIRC he wasn't well liked and they sent him off before the end of the season.

 

[hayes]

Robbie was a 1 year rookie contract so it couldn't have been that. Though IIRC he wasn't well liked and they sent him off before the end of the season.

Robbie Young was taken in the national draft so he would’ve had a two year contract.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Yeah we got the AFLPA pissed off about it. I think it was Robbie Young.

Young played 3

 

[gringo2011]

Well we had all 3 talls out so if your 3rd tall can't get a game he's probably in trouble

The list did have 2025 written on top of it. I think it was more a prediction than what we have now.

The discussion has been around whether we need to bring any more key forwards in. I think we will

You'd say that anyone not playing is potentially on the chopping block and we have to delist around 6 but reckon he's too good to throw away myself. I'd probably suggest that Leo is up against it to sign on again. DMac might be cooked I reckon. Campbell if they take the bounce away, Jones could be unlucky to be injured at the wrong time. I think they are keen to off load Gresham just to free up cap space personally. Sharman is the end of next year as is Allison and nearly every other player we'd like to keep apart from King and a good portion of the kids.


We have heaps out of contract at the end of the year, I reckon Gags left a bit of a mess for SOS to clean up.

H Clark- pay rise or trade
Higgins- pay rise
DMac- delist or drop
Bytel- delist
Peris- probably delist
Gresham- trade or slight rise
Webster- probably 1 year on similar money
Connolly- delist most likely
Stocker- pay rise
Wood-pay rise
Coff- similar wage or drop. Potentially trade/delist
Byrnes- pay rise
Ross- pay rise
Campbell- delist or similar pay
Highmore- delist or similar
Jones- delist or drop

And apparently we haven't got as much room as you'd expect for where we are at. That's a lot of work for SOS to get done. Heaps will want a bigger pay day. Even guys like Ross got lowballed so will want reward for longevity and output.

 

[gringo2011]

Robbie was a 1 year rookie contract so it couldn't have been that. Though IIRC he wasn't well liked and they sent him off before the end of the season.

He was delisted while contracted.

Father-son defender, contracted forward cut by Saints

Bailey Rice, Brandon White and Robbie Young cut as St Kilda shakes up its list

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[gringo2011]

Assume Allison stays the delistees seem fairly self evident.

Highmore
Connelly
Dmac
Jones
Sharman

Personally I'd prefer keep Leo and Coops another season but if they can't get their numbers up by the end of the year then they probably have to go.
I'd add JB to that list giving roughly 5 players turnover which is the right number for us. Buggered if l know who we'd cut next year but that being a difficult exercise means the list is in good shape.

Sharman is contracted

 

[BrutThough]

You'd say that anyone not playing is potentially on the chopping block and we have to delist around 6 but reckon he's too good to throw away myself. I'd probably suggest that Leo is up against it to sign on again. DMac might be cooked I reckon. Campbell if they take the bounce away, Jones could be unlucky to be injured at the wrong time. I think they are keen to off load Gresham just to free up cap space personally. Sharman is the end of next year as is Allison and nearly every other player we'd like to keep apart from King and a good portion of the kids.


We have heaps out of contract at the end of the year, I reckon Gags left a bit of a mess for SOS to clean up.

H Clark- pay rise or trade
Higgins- pay rise
DMac- delist or drop
Bytel- delist
Peris- probably delist
Gresham- trade or slight rise
Webster- probably 1 year on similar money
Connolly- delist most likely
Stocker- pay rise
Wood-pay rise
Coff- similar wage or drop. Potentially trade/delist
Byrnes- pay rise
Ross- pay rise
Campbell- delist or similar pay
Highmore- delist or similar
Jones- delist or drop

And apparently we haven't got as much room as you'd expect for where we are at. That's a lot of work for SOS to get done. Heaps will want a bigger pay day. Even guys like Ross got lowballed so will want reward for longevity and output.

Every club has a similar sized list of players out of contract at the end of the year.

Who said we dont have much money in the cap? Last we heard, we offered over 800k on a long term deal to De Goey so we clearly have money for a big recruit and that would have been offered while budgeting to keep players like Gresh and Higgins. Most of the players you've listed as 'pay rise' won't be a significant enough to hurt our cap.

 

[gringo2011]

Every club has a similar sized list of players out of contract at the end of the year.

Who said we dont have much money in the cap? Last we heard, we offered over 800k on a long term deal to De Goey so we clearly have money for a big recruit and that would have been offered while budgeting to keep players like Gresh and Higgins. Most of the players you've listed as 'pay rise' won't be a significant enough to hurt our cap.

I reckon we were going to jettison guys like Hunter Clark and Gresham probably. Our good form has all of a sudden put a big pile of players on track for a pay rise. Wood, Ross, Higgins etc were looking like minimum chips again after last year. Now all would wan a bigger piece of the pie. Stocker and Byrnes would be expecting a big step up too.