Recommitted Tarryn Thomas [OOC 2024] - Staying at North

[Wild Bill]

Hopefully if North are looking to trade Tarryn they handle the situation better than we did with Jake Stringer, especially if they expect to get anything remotely appropriate for him.

Jake Stringer was more talented, was part of a premiership winning side 12 months earlier, had already made an All Australian, was contracted, had less baggage and was the same age as Tarryn is now. We made it very clear he wasn’t welcome back, and having only two clubs be interested in him (I think Geelong considered it, otherwise it’s just one club) we only got two second round picks for him.

I think the Dogs made a mistake and lost their leverage declaring Stringer was going to be traded and no longer welcome. Still the club was better off without him.

 

[Turbocat]

I cant decide if Gold Coast are dumb for going for him or genius

• Feels like a place he can get away with his off field s**t and have it hit the media like elsewhere
• Also feels like a place he can get away with his off field s**t and give minimal effort

Valuing him is extremely difficult if it went ahead and I have no idea what he would go for. Top 10 pick on talent, pick 50 on douchebagery

I feel it would be channelling Bennell. It might be a little too risky for a club with a developing culture or it might be an inspired choice


Do the Suns need to trade their r1 for points? P5 seems very early for a player with baggage.


If they trade out Flanders ..I think they have enough points.

How many spaces on their list do they need to fill.

Would they be better to trade their r1 for a Fr1 next year.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I feel it would be channelling Bennell. It might be a little too risky for a club with a developing culture or it might be an inspired choice


Do the Suns need to trade their r1 for points? P5 seems very early for a player with baggage.


If they trade out Flanders ..I think they have enough points.

How many spaces on their list do they need to fill.

Would they be better to trade their r1 for a Fr1 next year.

I can't speak for North fans here, but a Flanders for TT swap seems like a fairly good/even deal for me (given as you say Thomas is somewhat damaged goods)

 

[Makeshift Park]

I can't speak for North fans here, but a Flanders for TT swap seems like a fairly good/even deal for me (given as you say Thomas is somewhat damaged goods)

I think Flanders barracked for North as a kid too.

I'd take that deal.

 

[Big_Birdy]

I can't speak for North fans here, but a Flanders for TT swap seems like a fairly good/even deal for me (given as you say Thomas is somewhat damaged goods)

Sounds like a good deal for North. Not so much the Suns. Perhaps TT and 20, even still.

 

[Turbocat]

I can't speak for North fans here, but a Flanders for TT swap seems like a fairly good/even deal for me (given as you say Thomas is somewhat damaged goods)

TT seems perfect for the Saints. Strong Coach. Perhaps Brisbane if he is going north considering they have lost Ashcroft.. It would take a side right in the window to risk him imo.

Flanders swap. Be interesting trying to put a value on that. Who would you pay the most money.

I think the whole story is a little contrived to get GC R1 pick to North.

 

[trooroo4life]

I can't speak for North fans here, but a Flanders for TT swap seems like a fairly good/even deal for me (given as you say Thomas is somewhat damaged goods)

If I’m a suns fan I’d be absolutely livid with that deal, especially with how well he is progressing.

We aren’t getting much if he wants out.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Sounds like a good deal for North. Not so much the Suns. Perhaps TT and 20, even still.

What if we pay 50% of his remaining contract. Only one year left, but still, it evens the scales a little given the risk.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I feel it would be channelling Bennell. It might be a little too risky for a club with a developing culture or it might be an inspired choice


Do the Suns need to trade their r1 for points? P5 seems very early for a player with baggage.


If they trade out Flanders ..I think they have enough points.

How many spaces on their list do they need to fill.

Would they be better to trade their r1 for a Fr1 next year.

I think effectively, Suns can remove all points from what they get from Flanders OR their first pick and be fine. I personally think GC are getting ripped off on that trade but a North fan saying clubs probably value Thomas more than BF posters is probably fair. I personally wouldn’t want to spend more than a pick 30 on him considering the risk but these players are always disasters at Freo with our scrutiny so maybe I’m bias

I think I’m landing on this being a terrible idea for a club that has never made finals and isn’t in a position to take this gamble but they would know more than I do. I hope it doesn’t hurt them down the line.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

If I’m a suns fan I’d be absolutely livid with that deal, especially with how well he is progressing.

We aren’t getting much if he wants out.

I believe Flanders is OOC and there was talk before Dew was sacked that he was exploring his options in Melbourne.

 

[Sphynx]

I think Flanders barracked for North as a kid too.

I'd take that deal.

Was a huge North fan.

 

[Big_Birdy]

What if we pay 50% of his remaining contract. Only one year left, but still, it evens the scales a little given the risk.

He is 23 and averages less than 15 touches and a goal a game. His 10th best disposal count ever is 20. His best is 26. 65 games in and hasnt cracked 21+ 10 times. If he is a mid, he doesn't touch it. If he is a forward, he doesnt hit the scoreboard.

This is because he puts in effort when he wants, and that isn't that often. Outside of his poor on-field attitude, he is a jerk off it.

How anyone would consider giving up anything more than a third rounder is beyond me. Why any club who is developing and has young players would want him at all is beyond me.

After reassessing, getting Flanders for TT and 20 is so imbalanced I'm embarrassed for mentioning it.

 

[Sphynx]

He is 23 and averages less than 15 touches and a goal a game. His 10th best disposal count ever is 20. His best is 26. 65 games in and hasnt cracked 21+ 10 times. If he is a mid, he doesn't touch it. If he is a forward, he doesnt hit the scoreboard.

This is because he puts in effort when he wants, and that isn't that often. Outside of his poor on-field attitude, he is a jerk off it.

How anyone would consider giving up anything more than a third rounder is beyond me. Why any club who is developing and has young players would want him at all is beyond me.

After reassessing, getting Flanders for TT and 20 is so imbalanced I'm embarrassed for mentioning it.

It's pretty easy to manipulate stats.

Flanders is 22 and has a career average of 13.5 disposals per game.

 

[Big_Birdy]

It's pretty easy to manipulate stats.

Flanders is 22 and has a career average of 13.5 disposals per game.

Yes but is clearly progressing in the right direction. Has had 30+ the last 3 games. TT hasn't had 30 combined from his last 3.

Plenty of exposed form on TT to know what he is. Is it 7 coaches since he started? Same ol' TT through them all.

Flanders looks like he has finally had the shackles removed.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Yes but is clearly progressing in the right direction. Has had 30+ the last 3 games. TT hasn't had 30 combined from his last 3.

Plenty of exposed form on TT to know what he is. Is it 7 coaches since he started? Same ol' TT through them all.

Flanders looks like he has finally had the shackles removed.

Plus, while I know I've had this discussion elsewhere, like North spending capital on bringing in a young mid just feels like it should result in criminal charges against the list manager.

 

[Makeshift Park]

He is 23 and averages less than 15 touches and a goal a game. His 10th best disposal count ever is 20. His best is 26. 65 games in and hasnt cracked 21+ 10 times. If he is a mid, he doesn't touch it. If he is a forward, he doesnt hit the scoreboard.

This is because he puts in effort when he wants, and that isn't that often. Outside of his poor on-field attitude, he is a jerk off it.

How anyone would consider giving up anything more than a third rounder is beyond me. Why any club who is developing and has young players would want him at all is beyond me.

After reassessing, getting Flanders for TT and 20 is so imbalanced I'm embarrassed for mentioning it.

These are the real facts behind their 2023 seasons.


Again, I do get why some would baulk at the off-field stuff.

But Thomas had a disrupted preseason, all the legal stuff going on, and was playing for a team so bad its a historical anomaly, and his stats still stack up.

 

[Big_Birdy]

These are the real facts behind their 2023 seasons.

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Again, I do get why some would baulk at the off-field stuff.

But Thomas had disrupted preseason, all the legal stuff going on, and was playing for a team so bad its a historical anomaly, and his stats still stack up.

17 touches (including 3 clangers) and a goal a game for a player in their 5th season stacks up for a third rounder like I said, even not taking into account the off-field stuff.

We all see whats going on with Flanders, who has averaged in the high 20s for disposals in the past 7 games. His role has been changed and this is paying dividends.

 

[Sphynx]

17 touches (including 3 clangers) and a goal a game for a player in their 5th season stacks up for a third rounder like I said, even not taking into account the off-field stuff.

We all see whats going on with Flanders, who has averaged in the high 20s for disposals in the past 7 games. His role has been changed and this is paying dividends.

He had a shit game on the weekend, but was averaging 21 & 1.3 before it.

Has easily been in our best 3-4 since coming back.

You need to look beyond simply touches with him, he's high impact and high advanced stats per possessions.

His game against GWS in Rnd 13 being the perfect example.

It was one of the best games from a North player this year according to most 3rd party rating systems.

19 disposals & 3 goals doesn't jump off the page. But when you add 7 clearances, 7 score involvements and 3 goal assists it does.

 

[Big_Birdy]

He had a s**t game on the weekend, but was averaging 21 & 1.3 before it.

Has easily been in our best 3-4 since coming back.

Hasn't hit 15 touches for 3 games. This is the issue. His ceiling is low 20s touches (which he hasn't even done 10 times in his career). Then he has games where he is unsighted. Kicks a couple one game, doesnt kick another for 3. The good games aren't enough to make up for the bad ones because the good ones aren't that good as a general rule.

And he is an established player.

Third rounder.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Hasn't hit 15 touches for 3 games. This is the issue. His ceiling is low 20s touches (which he hasn't even done 10 times in his career). Then he has games where he is unsighted. Kicks a couple one game, doesnt kick another for 3. The good games aren't enough to make up for the bad ones because the good ones aren't that good as a general rule.

And he is an established player.

Third rounder.

He literally kicked three goals the game before last.

You're trolling at this point mate.

 

[pupstar]

Yes but is clearly progressing in the right direction. Has had 30+ the last 3 games. TT hasn't had 30 combined from his last 3.

Plenty of exposed form on TT to know what he is. Is it 7 coaches since he started? Same ol' TT through them all.

Flanders looks like he has finally had the shackles removed.

At least if you are going to talk stats at least get them right.

 

[Sphynx]

Hasn't hit 15 touches for 3 games. This is the issue. His ceiling is low 20s touches (which he hasn't even done 10 times in his career). Then he has games where he is unsighted. Kicks a couple one game, doesnt kick another for 3. The good games aren't enough to make up for the bad ones because the good ones aren't that good as a general rule.

And he is an established player.

Third rounder.

He recieved coaches votes vs St Kilda just last week.

3 goals, 7 tackles, 4 clearances, 7 score involvements.

Rating systems had him above LDU who had a 33 disposal, 23 CP, 12 clearance game

 

[Big_Birdy]

He literally kicked three goals the game before last.

You're trolling at this point mate.

And none on the weekend. Or the two games before St Kilda.

Like I said.

 

[Makeshift Park]

And none on the weekend. Or the two games before St Kilda.

Like I said.

Like when he was playing HBF against the cats in R17, got 24 disposals, 9 intercepts, 6 r50s, 5 tackles?

I mean, I don't blame you for not watching our games, but maybe hold off on the player analysis until you know what you're talking about mate.

 

[RUNVS]

A sublime talent with serious baggage.

Contracted for another year, but rumoured to be exploring trades.

Last week, David King suggested he could be traded out for GC’s first.

Could Roos offer troubled star for the “biggest asset up for grabs” this trade period?

“I'm wondering whether the Kangaroos can do a deal with the Gold Coast Suns.”

www.sen.com.au

Is that trade deal a serious chance? Failing that, what would clubs be prepared to give up for him?

Yes I saw David King trying to argue Gold Coast trading for Thomas would be a great deal for them, ignoring the fact that he is a North supporter and clearly wants Thomas out.