Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt1

[cats_09]

As we are now getting into the season and we are starting to get a bit more serious with discussion, seems a suitable time to post the following as it's repeatedly shown itself to be a value reference tool in trade & draft discussion

And as per normal, thanks to Lore for putting this together - always a fantastic reference tool



And yes this post is now stickied - makes it easy to keep track of (can easily reverse this though if needed)

 

[SkittleCats]

Atkins, dangerfield, Crouch and Worpel would be the worse kicking midfield in the league

3 of those players wont be kicking the ball much, they are there to be the inside mids we are lacking. We can then move the more natural outside mids back to their preferred positions, rather than playing them more inside due to lack of options there thanks to injuries this year. Holmes will be the big beneficiary there, but he wont be the only one.

 

[catempire]

If we bring in Crouch and Worpel where does that leave Bruhn, Clark and knevitt. Ticket to nowhere

I never understand this line of thinking. Are we supposed to cultivate a weaker list so young players feel their place is less under threat?

Competition is good. If good players miss out that means you have a strong list.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

If we bring in Crouch and Worpel where does that leave Bruhn, Clark and knevitt. Ticket to nowhere

Crouch would be depth/injury cover (and much better at it than parfitt).

Worpel bruhn blitz and clark would be your main mids with holmes and knevitt your wingers.

If we had more inside mids we could a) put holmes back to the wing wheres better suited b) have more flexibility to plug holes elsewhere incl ruck (which we will really need next year) and c) play danger fwd more and maybe get an extra year or two out of him.

Im not saying we have to get worpel as i think theres better options but we definitely need to get an experienced mid this year and thats why.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Worpel is a 1 position player but what he does is very good and he would be a good fit here. But i wouldnt pay a r1 for him.

I agree on parish being a better fit if hes FA bur im unconvinced a) that he wants to come (i simply think hes trying to get 1mil PA out of ess) and b) that ess wouldnt match an FA offer anyway.

Neither would I, that's my mistake. I worded that post poorly.

But if Jumping Jack is on the money, we don't have a lot of options to trade for Worpel.

Sav stays, so no first or second there. While our pick will be top 10.

I rate Worpel more than most, but he's not worth that. Late first early second at MAX...so we're going to have to get creative.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Atkins, dangerfield, Crouch and Worpel would be the worse kicking midfield in the league

Parish & Smith can't either, it's an issue with the modern player more than anything.

I think you'll find in today's era most midfielders can't kick, particularly those at the contest.

 

[Warhorse]

Crouch would be depth/injury cover (and much better at it than parfitt).

Worpel bruhn blitz and clark would be your main mids with holmes and knevitt your wingers.

If we had more inside mids we could a) put holmes back to the wing wheres better suited b) have more flexibility to plug holes elsewhere incl ruck (which we will really need next year) and c) play danger fwd more and maybe get an extra year or two out of him.

Im not saying we have to get worpel as i think theres better options but we definitely need to get an experienced mid this year and thats why.

Worpel will costs a first and may revert back to his form of the last 4 years. Knevitt is not a winger. Atkins would play ahead of Bruhn. And Crouch won't come here to be depth.

I agree that more midfielders are required but Crouch and Worpel are not the answer.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Neither would I, that's my mistake. I worded that post poorly.

But if Jumping Jack is on the money, we don't have a lot of options to trade for Worpel.

Sav stays, so no first or second there. While our pick will be top 10.

I rate Worpel more than most, but he's not worth that. Late first early second at MAX...so we're going to have to get creative.

Yeah i agree with that. I wouldnt trade p10ish for worpel and no way would i risk touching our future 1st.
Hes worth say p20-25 but we will only get a late 30s pick for sav if he goes so we would have to get really creative.

I wonder if the hawks would be interested in one of our fringe players again like with cooper? Dont see an obvious name though.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Worpel will costs a first and may revert back to his form of the last 4 years. Knevitt is not a winger. Atkins would play ahead of Bruhn. And Crouch won't come here to be depth.

I agree that more midfielders are required but Crouch and Worpel are not the answer.

I disagree on atkins but the rest is fair.

Let me ask you this though-if crouch and worpel arent the answer (i partially agree) what experienced mids from what club would you trade/FA in this year?

 

[CHAWKTS]

You mean stephens from the swans? Yes i would look at him (would look at robertson from the lions too if he moves which he wont).

Id also look at both carmichael and macrae from collingwood as mids. Both have been great in the vfl this year and would be potentially be good mids for us at a cheap price.

I actually meant Robertson - but would take stephens…so we agree even if I got it around the Wrong way!!

 

[Warhorse]

I disagree on atkins but the rest is fair.

Let me ask you this though-if crouch and worpel arent the answer (i partially agree) what experienced mids from what club would you trade/FA in this year?

I'm expecting Guthrie to be back and in the midfield. So a starting midfield of Dangerfield, Guthrie, Atkins, Blicavs.. hopefully Parish. I would prefer younger players to continue a rejuvenation.

I would target younger fringe players:

• Alex Davies / Flanders from GCS
• McCrae Collingwood
• Kai Lohmann
• Corey Warner

Older players I would look at for the right price:

• Parish
• Hunter Clark
• Florent Sydney
• Callum M Brown GWS
• Riley West WBD
• Wayne Milera Adelaide
• Jake Gresham
• Stephens Sydney

 

[iameviljez]

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Podsiadly was the best in the league though.

And because of the change that he brought about, he would not make it so long out of the league today.

 

[iameviljez]

I never understand this line of thinking. Are we supposed to cultivate a weaker list so young players feel their place is less under threat?

Competition is good. If good players miss out that means you have a strong list.

Because there is a point at which AFL exposure is the only way to make players better.

 

[iameviljez]

I'm expecting Guthrie to be back and in the midfield. So a starting midfield of Dangerfield, Guthrie, Atkins, Blicavs.. hopefully Parish. I would prefer younger players to continue a rejuvenation.

I would target younger fringe players:

• Alex Davies / Flanders from GCS
• McCrae Collingwood
• Kai Lohmann
• Corey Warner

I am really wary about doing this. Usually, if players don’t kick on, there’s a reason. There aren’t a huge number of success stories from the 23rd players at other clubs.

 

[Warhorse]

I am really wary about doing this. Usually, if players don’t kick on, there’s a reason. There aren’t a huge number of success stories from the 23rd players at other clubs.

Which players in particular are you worried about from the list? A gun young player will cost our first

 

[catempire]

Podsiadly was the best in the league though.

And because of the change that he brought about, he would not make it so long out of the league today.

Try to smile, buddy.

 

[catempire]

Because there is a point at which AFL exposure is the only way to make players better.

The aim of the game isn’t making players better above making the team better.

 

[Turbocat]

From what I’ve heard the club is positioning itself for something along these lines.

- Retain Esava

- Bring in Doedee

- SDK will end up spending more time as a key forward

- Hawkins plays in 2024 but will be held back to get through the year in good shape

- And forget the talk on Parish. I think you’ll find that Worpel is the inside mid target

- Crouch (Adelaide) the other they’ll look closely at


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As usual thanks for the info...

I can t say much here that excites me. This very much makes me feel like we will be treading water for 12 months.


Sdek going forward sounds like a selling point to Sav. "Stay, Sam will play elsewhere." Doedee will not play till mid season I guess.


Neale need a big slab of games. He showed a hint or two..but he needs to get comfortable at the level to gauge if he is going to be any good.


What do we give up for Worpel? My preference would be to keep pushing games younger guys. Might have more appeal if he was a FA but he is still two years away from that.

 

[Two Planks]

Hoping Ratagolea and Parfitt can get us a couple of picks in the 20-40 range of this year's draft

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I am really wary about doing this. Usually, if players don’t kick on, there’s a reason. There aren’t a huge number of success stories from the 23rd players at other clubs.

I would disagree on this. There are plenty of josh kennedy (swans) types that go from fringe at one club to a gun at another. The key is to pick ones who are stuck behind elite players and who come from great systems (ie fringe players at bottom 4 clubs are rarely good gets but ones from top 4 clubs are).

 

[Catman]

From what I’ve heard the club is positioning itself for something along these lines.

- Retain Esava

- Bring in Doedee

- SDK will end up spending more time as a key forward

- Hawkins plays in 2024 but will be held back to get through the year in good shape

- And forget the talk on Parish. I think you’ll find that Worpel is the inside mid target

- Crouch (Adelaide) the other they’ll look closely at


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If true I do not understand the attraction of Doedee. Two recos and doesn't feel a need. Seems to be a move purely because he's from the Geelong area.

The rest is underwhelming to say the least.

 

[foxdog50]

If Ceglar or Stanley leaves, I would expect a late pick to go on a Fort/Stephenson type.

And who would that player be

 

[foxdog50]

Very much so. If he was 23 I would be screaming for us to rookie him. I think (but not sure) that he is 25 so turning 26 next year - Is that a bit old to come into the system?

Just think of J Pod, got him when he was 28-29... rookie pick , we got nothing to loose if we do

 

[foxdog50]

I think the CEs response is in regards to your comment about Bailey's age - Podsiadly was drafted by us as a 28yr old, so maybe 25yr old Bailey isn't too old

It looks like your a fan of Bailey as well cats 09

 

[foxdog50]

From what I’ve heard the club is positioning itself for something along these lines.

- Retain Esava

- Bring in Doedee

- SDK will end up spending more time as a key forward

- Hawkins plays in 2024 but will be held back to get through the year in good shape

- And forget the talk on Parish. I think you’ll find that Worpel is the inside mid target

- Crouch (Adelaide) the other they’ll look closely at


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Why wouldn't Esava have signed already by now?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I'm expecting Guthrie to be back and in the midfield. So a starting midfield of Dangerfield, Guthrie, Atkins, Blicavs.. hopefully Parish. I would prefer younger players to continue a rejuvenation.

I would target younger fringe players:

• Alex Davies / Flanders from GCS
• McCrae Collingwood
• Kai Lohmann
• Corey Warner

Older players I would look at for the right price:

• Parish
• Hunter Clark
• Florent Sydney
• Callum M Brown GWS
• Riley West WBD
• Wayne Milera Adelaide
• Jake Gresham
• Stephens Sydney

Interesting list.
Florent wont leave sydney.

Callum brown i love as a player he is all effort but im not sure hes a mid and we dont need general fwds.

Clark's best is exactly what we need dynamic spread from the contest but hes very injury prone..itd depend on what they would want.

Flanders i agree would be perfect but i reckon he stays at GCS. He would cost a pick 15 or so like tanner did and id pay that.
I think getting davies as an academy kid out would be hard but i like your thinking. Hollands might be more gettable if we were chasing fringe mids from them.

Gresham provides the dynamic run that we need so i can see that FA. That said at times his defensive efforts can be very poor and i sense he isnt super professional off the field and we tend to avoid those types.

Stephens i agree..he is being kept out by gulden who is a star and good role players like campbell. He showed a lot last year and i think could really add to our MF if he doesnt cost a lot.

West is an interesting one. Hes played really well as a HFF but will be never be a starting mid there til libba retires. Is he happy to wait if hes playing games given his dad or does he want a move? Youd be projecting what he might be as we havent seen much of him as a mid at afl level.

Lohmann i really like he will be a gun but my worry is hes a goalkicking HFF that wont become a FT mid and thats overkill for us when we have both ollies in that spot. I think there arw clubs needing fwds (eg hawks or carlton) that fit him better.

Corey warner should be hard to get bc of his brother.

Agree on macrae and id chase carmichael for same reason. I can see the club looking at dow for cheap though its not my 1st preference.