Strategy Draft assistance 2023 [Twomey: NMFC get #19 in 2023, x2 end of 1st rd picks in 2024, and x2 extra rookie list spots in 2024; no Sanders/#11]

[Mixed Results]

Is Melbourne's offer better than ours?

15 and 16 cancel out, so the question is if you'd rather have Pick #2, or Pick #5 and a future first that could drift into the 20s. With Curtin at the top of the draft, they'd surely prefer our offer of #2 and #16.

 

[Deleted member 98541]

That might be true but if thats the case then we will take Curtin and WC will miss out on both...If Reid goes to the Dees then he goes to the Dees. It would still mean that either way we wouldn't get him ..

I'd prefer to draft local in the top 3 after jhf to be quite honest.

North can't trade for stars of the game. We tried and failed miserably.

After 4 bottom 2 finishes, im thinking Reid is that marquee name that a rebuild this deep needs for fans, media to get excited about.

I'm aware of wardlaw and sheezel, think it's time now for some no1 pick hype to go with em.

 

[Harris 10]

They will be getting offers of 5, 15 and F1 from Melbourne.

Which is really average:

5 becomes 6 because of Walter
15 could become 18 depending on Melb finishing spot. Add 3 GC academy picks, Dogs FS, Hawks FS and Sanders out.
Future 1 an unknown but you would think a very late 1st rounder again.

 

[Deleted member 98541]

Which is really average:

5 becomes 6 because of Walter
15 could become 18 depending on Melb finishing spot. Add 3 GC academy picks, Dogs FS, Hawks FS and Sanders out.
Future 1 an unknown but you would think a very late 1st rounder again.

Hopefully puts us in the box seat then.

 

[Gasometer]

Re Jy v George

In the immortal words of Peter Griffin…woah woah woah woah and woah…when George’s hammys hold up for longer than 3 Rounds, I will be prepared to start comparing them both rather than impending doom of Jys career based on speculation of what might happen re GW

 

[ferball]

Or he is being becoming less favoured compared to younger players who are playing for the same role and are showing the can add more to then just their inside game.

We lost him for chunks with either injury or him being suspended. Great our leader who is frequently missing through chunks. And when we played without him we all just got to see more from the younger guys, the fact that we didn’t miss him was concerning. Or at least should be

"Didn't miss him..."

He was one of our best players in our first win for 20 games and instrumental in our other wins for the season. If our younger guys had provided more we would have won those games he didn't play in.

"We lost him for chunks..."

He missed one game at a time except when he missed two games in a row after his second concussion for the season, against Geelong.

He was suspended for less than other sides players have done to our players this season (Sheeze vs Blws and Squizz last weekend) and he's standing up for the players he leads on field.

And he missed three games with concussion. You're criticising the club captain because he missed three games with concussion this year?

You're right I'd much prefer our leaders and inside mids didn't put their head over the ball or their body on the line for their teammates.

Far out...

 

[Gasometer]

"Didn't miss him..."

He was one of our best players in our first win for 20 games and instrumental in our other wins for the season. If our younger guys had provided more we would have won those games he didn't play in.

"We lost him for chunks..."

He missed one game at a time except when he missed two games in a row after his second concussion for the season, against Geelong.

He was suspended for less than other sides players have done to our players this season (Sheeze vs Blws and Squizz last weekend) and he's standing up for the players he leads on field.

And he missed three games with concussion. You're criticising the club captain because he missed three games with concussion this year?

You're right I'd much prefer our leaders and inside mids didn't put their head over the ball or their body on the line for their teammates.

Far out...

…as I just said ^^^^

 

[ferball]

Great minds think alike Gaso.

If we have a side where Jy can play on the forward line and rotate thru the middle to give better players a rest we will be in a very good place.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Which is really average:

5 becomes 6 because of Walter
15 could become 18 depending on Melb finishing spot. Add 3 GC academy picks, Dogs FS, Hawks FS and Sanders out.
Future 1 an unknown but you would think a very late 1st rounder again.

A compo pick for McKay pushes that 5 (which has already become 6) into a pick 7, and a bid match on Sanders makes it pick 8.

So yeah, their decision is pick 2 versus pick 8 plus next year's pick 16-20 ish. It's a no-brainer.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

why do we always have to offer more ? It should be a straight trade. West Coast take either Reid or Curtin and we take the one remaining...No need to offer any other picks...Its a win, win for both clubs...l wish people would stop including other picks that we have..

There will be a late shuffle of picks for sure just to make it sellable to fans and the media. It won't be a trade pick 2 for pick 1 because there's no need to even do that, you just walk into the draft and pick the #2 ranked kid with your pick 1. So it's either no trade, or a trade involving later picks.

 

[Sphynx]

Re Jy v George

In the immortal words of Peter Griffin…woah woah woah woah and woah…when George’s hammys hold up for longer than 3 Rounds, I will be prepared to start comparing them both rather than impending doom of Jys career based on speculation of what might happen re GW

What’s Jy’s career to date exactly?

Syd’s in the worst North side in living memory doesn’t mean much. McDonald being the case in point.

No AA’s, no significant season on a league wide level etc.

 

[justroyal]

"Didn't miss him..."

He was one of our best players in our first win for 20 games and instrumental in our other wins for the season. If our younger guys had provided more we would have won those games he didn't play in.

"We lost him for chunks..."

He missed one game at a time except when he missed two games in a row after his second concussion for the season, against Geelong.

He was suspended for less than other sides players have done to our players this season (Sheeze vs Blws and Squizz last weekend) and he's standing up for the players he leads on field.

And he missed three games with concussion. You're criticising the club captain because he missed three games with concussion this year?

You're right I'd much prefer our leaders and inside mids didn't put their head over the ball or their body on the line for their teammates.

Far out...

Yeah and those 20 games in between, I didn’t see much influential stuff to say to the players ‘hey guys, come with me’

I’m not criticising him for being concussed - that just seems to be quite normal for him for how he attacks the ball. But I am highlighting our captain in out quite frequently. Wrongly or rightly. He is still putting himself in danger and finding himself on the wrong end of it.
But as it stands, and it’s my view. Both he and Luke have plateaued. And I don’t see he or Luke being a make or break during game day. I’m seeing them as being more one dimensional players that can be replaced quite easily.
My view.

 

[Luke72]

Just to be clear the ‘massaged’ outcome will likely be imo:

WC
In: 2 & 3 (McKay compo)
Out: 1

North
In: 1 & 8 (Sanders approval)
Out: 2 & 3

- If North don’t agree to this deal they won’t get approval for Sanders.

- In no scenario is North getting picks 2, 3 AND Sanders approval. That ain’t happening.

- 1 (Reid) & 8 (Sanders) would be a huge coup for you guys. Can’t believe the whingeing!

So you are saying we get Reid, Sanders and whoever we pick with 8. Without having to match for Sanders?

 

[the big lebowski]

What’s Jy’s career to date exactly?

Syd’s in the worst North side in living memory doesn’t mean much. McDonald being the case in point.

No AA’s, no significant season on a league wide level etc.

Champion data have rate him the best player from his draft early this year before he broke his hand and got
Multiple concussions. He had had years when he’s been a top 10 centre clearance player.

He’s the best runner at the club based on testing data. Something we lack.

He’s just about to enter his prime.

 

[pupstar]

What’s Jy’s career to date exactly?

Syd’s in the worst North side in living memory doesn’t mean much. McDonald being the case in point.

No AA’s, no significant season on a league wide level etc.

If he won the Syds in the worst side in living memory it doesn't say much about the others. And just cause you don't or havnt made AA team doesn't make you a good player. Larky be for this year no AA but still has been a great player. Using AA and Brownlow's and similar awards are or can be misleading to the value of some players in my opinion

 

[Sphynx]

If he won the Syds in the worst side in living memory it doesn't say much about the others. And just cause you don't or havnt made AA team doesn't make you a good player. Larky be for this year no AA but still has been a great player. Using AA and Brownlow's and similar awards are or can be misleading to the value of some players in my opinion

Of course it doesn’t say much for the others, it’s the shittest North side in history.

Larkey is a good example, he has risen above it and contributed on a league wide level of excellence.

LDU was on track for something similar if not for injury.

Jy will never come close to an AA jumper.

 

[Sphynx]

Champion data have rate him the best player from his draft early this year before he broke his hand and got
Multiple concussions. He had had years when he’s been a top 10 centre clearance player.

He’s the best runner at the club based on testing data. Something we lack.

He’s just about to enter his prime.

He’s never been a top 20 clearance player in a season, let alone top 10.

I don’t care about totals when it comes to midfielders.

Cunnington and LDU have.

 

[ferball]

Yeah and those 20 games in between, I didn’t see much influential stuff to say to the players ‘hey guys, come with me’

I’m not criticising him for being concussed - that just seems to be quite normal for him for how he attacks the ball. But I am highlighting our captain in out quite frequently. Wrongly or rightly. He is still putting himself in danger and finding himself on the wrong end of it.
But as it stands, and it’s my view. Both he and Luke have plateaued. And I don’t see he or Luke being a make or break during game day. I’m seeing them as being more one dimensional players that can be replaced quite easily.
My view.

He missed five games this year, three from concussion and two games in the previous five years.

So seven games in six seasons, three of those because of mandatory concussion protocols. One cause he was dropped to the VFl (in 2019) and one cos he was suspended for a jumper punch.

Your view is completely wrong. But that's okay, you're allowed to be wrong.

 

[pupstar]

Of course it doesn’t say much for the others, it’s the shittest North side in history.

Larkey is a good example, he has risen above it and contributed on a league wide level of excellence.

LDU was on track for something similar if not for injury.

Jy will never come close to an AA jumper.

He doesn't have to though just play his role for the team which he is doing.

 

[Sphynx]

You're right I'd much prefer our leaders and inside mids didn't put their head over the ball or their body on the line for their teammates.

Far out...

I’d prefer my on field leader not to expend so much energy shithousing the opposition every game in a side that’s won about 6 games in 60.

It’s embarrassing and frankly cringe worthy.

The jumper punching, wrestles, regular 50’s he gives away is neither tough, nor putting his body on the line, or flying the flag

Its school yard, juvenile crap from an AFL captain.

He should be the on field team member putting a stop to it, not the instigator of it most weeks.

Another reason why he’s not up to the job ontop of his clear onfield limitations.

 

[pupstar]

He’s never been a top 20 clearance player in a season, let alone top 10.

I don’t care about totals when it comes to midfielders.

Cunnington and LDU have.

Yet neither have AA jumpers as well

 

[Sphynx]

Yet neither have AA jumpers as well

Are you really comparing Cunners career to Jy’s?

LDU in just about every metric possible was a top 10 player in the league this year when he played.

Cunners is one of the greatest contested ball winners ever.

They are absolutely not comparable.

 

[Lomas]

So, what’s the latest word on draft assistance, eh?

 

[pupstar]

Are you really comparing Cunners career to Jy’s?

LDU in just about every metric possible was a top 10 player in the league this year when he played.

Cunners is one of the greatest contested ball winners ever.

They are absolutely not comparable.

Correct with everything you just said hence why AA jumpers should not be used as a gauge of someones career. Cunners should have had a wardrobe full of them. doesn't make him any less a champion of the game cause he has none.

 

[justroyal]

He missed five games this year, three from concussion and two games in the previous five years.

So seven games in six seasons, three of those because of mandatory concussion protocols. One cause he was dropped to the VFl (in 2019) and one cos he was suspended for a jumper punch.

Your view is completely wrong. But that's okay, you're allowed to be wrong.

What point of mine are you arguing? That he hasn’t missed ‘that many games’ or that he is super important to the team?