List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part II

[MordySaint]

McKay nominates Essendon on a massive contract. Even more reason for them to need to salary dump Shiel now

Its also looking like why Parish signed such a long and lucrative deal. Shiels salary would be moved off their books.

 

[StCicatriz]

Shiel looking more and more likely I'd say

 

[Tommy Wigs]

All my opinion but generally consistent with Cal Twomey and others.
There are a clear top 6 in the draft that seem to be locked those early picks then another 6 of quality before the steep drop off in class this draft. Fairly normal draft year similar to last year where Phillipou was the last of the top end ranked at 10 before it became more speculative.

However this year:

• 3 of the 12 are GC Academy so untouchable
• North will be a FA comp pick for McKay at pick 3
• and seems like they will also get the mid first round comp pick at pick 11

Elite
1. WC - Reid (clear number 1)
2. GC - Walter (clear number2) GC Academy

Next batch
3. Nth - McKercher
4. Nth - Dursma (Ben McKay FA Comp)
5. Haw - Watson
6. GC - Curtin (Original pick 4 up for grabs)

Then (in my order of preference)
7. Mel - Sanders
8. GWS - O'Sullivan
9. Geel - Caddy
10. GC - Ethan Reid GC Academy
11. GC - Rodgers GC Academy
12. Ess - Wilson
13. Adel
14. WB
15. Nth - (Comp Pick for very poor performance)
16. Syd
17. StK
18. Stk - (Highly speculative Band 1 Comp pick for Gresham)

After 12 it is a throw of the dice different clubs will have wildly different draft orders after that

Of the top 12 only the GC pick 4 (6) is up for trade and I can't see anyone else wanting to split a pick for two in the teens

If we are keen on Sanders the GC pick is the only option and if we hold 12 and 13 (17,18) that out bids the WB.

So if that is our strategy it seems sound if McKercher or Dursma slide to 6 which I think is unlikely well you have a lucky choice to make but Sanders will be there and equally he will be gone by Essendon's current pick 8 (12)

Saying all that seems unlikely we pull off both the Gresham Band 1 and the GC pick 4 deal and Sanders would have a lot of pressure to be the gun mid we need.

Also he is Tasmanian and a likely target for them in a few years

Still I prefer we have a plan to move in the draft to get the players we rate rather than sit and take best available at our picks. Sitting still in both Trade and Draft will not move the needle.

North will take Curtin

 

[GTrains Love Child]

Dealing with Dodoro going out in a blaze of glory will be more like putting your face up against a glory hole. Can't see it being anything but a lot of time and attention given to him to go nowhere.

I’d prefer to not have his in my eye too…

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Apparently we’re also taking on Heppell on a six year deal.

 

[Circus]

Indisputable facts, courtesy of Fox News
1. The only type of player more certain to make a good football team a champion football team is a Tasmanian;

2. The only type of player better than a Tasmanian champion is two Tasmanian champions;

3. All great St Kilda teams have included Tasmanians, that's why they were great teams;

4.Whatever trade/deal/fraud/swindle/theft that secures a Tasmanian champion to the St Kilda Football club is justifiable;

5.McKercher and Sanders are guaranteed to be champion Tasmanian players, either would be wonderful, both would be fantastic;

6. Gresham has peaked, he does some very good things but he's not in our best 22 next season - sometimes he looks at his foot while kicking (probably so the ball doesn't miss his foot) instead of where he is kicking the ball to - unforgivable beyond Auskick;

7. For those who find it hard to understand, Dylan Shield is merely the lubricant in the proposed deal, he allows the relationship to be consummated for the smiling satisfaction of both parties; and

8. For the Gresham/Shield deal to be the Dildo's last trade with us would be schadenfreude and karma all rolled into one - serve them bloody right!!!

 

[Captain Paddy]

OMG it’s the Gresh, Carlisle, David King saga all over again!

We traded pick 5 for Gresham, Carlisle, Shiel and pick 13

 

[St Steady]

someone mentioned wines before

i think he'd be a super pick up for us at this stage of our midfield build. would allow some of our younger ones to play outside stacks more and would compliment and add a touch of class to our inside older ones

 

[St Neil]

The AFL media have been reporting that Essendon have $2 million to play with in their cap. They seem to have contracted well recently. McKay apparently has a knee issue picked up in his medical so won't cost as much as well.

If McKay doesn’t cost as much due to a knee issue then it may not trigger band 1 compensation.

North will then match the offer and McKay will need to be traded to land at either Essendon or Hawthorn. Simples. Going into the PSD won’t help him because North have pick 1.

As far as Gresham is concerned it seems clear to me, reading between the lines, that Saints will match any big that only triggers band 2 compensation. It will required band 1 for us to let him go.

All this nonsense about what is in it for Essendon to offer band 1 compensation is just dumb. What’s in it for them is they get a quality player without needing to pay a draft pick for him.

All this tripe I’ve read about Saints having to accept pick 27 for him if we match the bid is just nonsense. We won’t trade him for a 2nd RDP. Or even a late first. We’ll keep him. He’s worth more to us than that.

Cough up a deal that offers band 1 compensation and he’s yours. If not we’re happy to match and keep him. The ball is in your court.

 

[snails13]

really trying to stay away from this dumpster fire of a thread but the lack of understanding of the proposal is infuriating.

Quite simply

1. Essendon offer Gresham enough to activate band1 which would be pick 13.

Advantages for Essendon - they wont need to trade for a matched Gresham
Advantage for St.Kilda - pick 13 to go with pick 12

2. For doing the above, St.Kilda trades for Dylan Shiel with a later pick

Advantage for Essendon - the difference in the extra they offered Gresham to Sheils full salary.
An extra pick.
Advantage for St.Kilda - still the same as above but get a ready made mid who would bolster the depth of our thin midfield.

Scenario - Essendon what a higher pick that originally worked out in the deal (say 13 instead of 31).

They can't offer Gresham less as FA is much earlier than trading so Saints still get band 1 and they still have 5 to 7 hundred k on their books with a player behind about 7 other mids, and don't have the extra draft pick.

the deal will have to be worked out prior and in good faith...but as outlined above the Saints would have the whip hand if Dildoro tried any shenanigans.

It is not a difficult concept. Will it eventuate? Who knows, but the gnashing of teeth and howling at the moon when the basic premis is a first for a player leaving anyway is astounding.

Ditto

 

[kernelT]

The whole matching / keeping a player is a weird loophole isn’t it.

Imagine stumping up a 4 mil, 5 year deal for a player that wanted to leave.

 

[L_W_P]

The whole matching / keeping a player is a weird loophole isn’t it.

Imagine stumping up a 4 mil, 5 year deal for a player that wanted to leave.

Swans did it with Ryan O'Keefe and he won a Norm Smith for them...

 

[Mangus]

As much as I want it to happen the Shiel Gresham proposed deal will trigger the AFL and all the other clubs. Basically it is corrupting Free Agency and adding a first round comp pick out of the AFL's pocket that knocks back every subsequent pick in the draft due to some slight of hand.

I am sure we will say they are standalone deals and effectively they will be but nobody is really going to believe that.

If I was Melb with the pick after ours I would be ropable that we manipulated the FA comp like this and pushed them back in the draft order. The Daniher deal was suspect but isolated and only obvious after the fact that they were manipulated.

The only thing in our favour is this year they really want to give North Band 1 compensation for a slow injury prone McKay as some kind of phony AFL assistance. So they may be a little more open to how these things can be assessed and Essendon and St Kilda are both clubs in need rather than top of the ladder contenders. But prior to this they have been trying to reduce the hand out of FA comp picks to a minimum and handing out first round picks for players of Gresham's calibre is not what they want to see.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

The idea of giving anything up for Shiel is Hanners all over again.

Lethers is still there, I am 100% sure he is smart and learns from his mistakes.

 

[George]

I’m getting more confused with every post. Can someone please clarify what flavour chips we‘re getting as part of the Shiel mega deal?
My main concern is we won’t have enough currency for Heeney after we give up 12 & 13 for Shiel.

CC's mate.

And just to clarify as I'm getting extremely angry! Furious!

1) Essendon will NOT part with pick 13.
2) Shiel is NOT the type of midfielder we need to be targeting
3) We would win the trade if Gresham left for aforementioned CC's.

Now that we have a clear understanding of what the details are, let's carry on without the insane ramblings about the AFL giving us pick 13 (LOL as if they'd give us anything, there's a conspiracy against St.Kilda from the top down), and Dylan Shiel just being steak knives (or a "salary dump" LOL whatever that means) in a deal for pick 13...which Essendon DO NOT have!

 

[MordySaint]

As much as I want it to happen the Shiel Gresham proposed deal will trigger the AFL and all the other clubs. Basically it is corrupting Free Agency and adding a first round comp pick out of the AFL's pocket that knocks back every subsequent pick in the draft due to some slight of hand.

The cynic in me says that if it involved the Swans then the AFL would applaud it

 

[StFly]

Understand totally. Made my mind up weeks ago we had to get a top 5 pick to get a Duursma or Sanders as we will never get that opportunity with the AFL allowing GC free picks and Norf free picks to take all the good young mids.

I will take a giant bite of the Shiel s.hit sandwich, if it means we can do that.

AFL loling about still trying to fix their monumental F up with GCS is the gift that keeps on giving.

For them, everyone else can GAGF cause the AFL gives no shits, literally and figuratively.

North pleading for a reach around is nothing new, them being in the dom position is though, I'm just glad that we never touched the mini drafts back in the day as that went well for those clubs attached.

 

[akaifu]

someone mentioned wines before

i think he'd be a super pick up for us at this stage of our midfield build. would allow some of our younger ones to play outside stacks more and would compliment and add a touch of class to our inside older ones

No way. Ross Lyon wants mids who have running power (hence why he told Steele and Ross to trim down over 2023 pre-season). Wines is only adding to what we already have - inside bulls capable of winning contested ball but have no speed nor skills.

 

[George]

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May need to train him up, Alonzo

 

[George]

This is it

Club last 12 months had got most things right

Let’s trust them

Fine, just as long as you don't go sticking your grubby hands in any of it

 

[Barrels]

Barrels ears just pricked up

I have the honeyed voice of a ****ing angel.

Don’t hate me cos you ain’t me.

 

[Barrels]

If we’re worried about clearances, we could do worse than Sam Menegola

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Sam Menegola

Age

33

Ht

189cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.6

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

9.6

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.4

3star

CL

1.7

4star

D

19.6

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

9.6

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.4

2star

CL

1.7

4star

D

18.4

5star

K

9.0

4star

HB

9.4

5star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.8

4star

CL

1.8

4star

.

Granted, he’s 31, but

 

[longlivelenny]

I'll do a nudie run down Linton Street if gresh gets us a frdp. No way will it ever happen.

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[sunny3193]

The whole matching / keeping a player is a weird loophole isn’t it.

Imagine stumping up a 4 mil, 5 year deal for a player that wanted to leave.

May I have some of that?

 

[Mowman]

Fine, just as long as you don't go sticking your grubby hands in any of it

Just try to keep up and you might learn something