Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt II

[cats_09]

Yep, this is making an appearance here also, and probably getting more useful as the season draws to a close and this discussion ramps up

 

[allrighty]

WTF Clayton Oliver

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Clayton Oliver

Age

28

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

?

 

[moond0g]

I think Simpson is good enough (as long as he is over concussion issues). My main point is that if this is such a poor/shallow draft year why not give them 1 year rather than having to draft this year and have to give them 2 years. Take the minimum this year and load up next year.

I'd imagine the amount of retirements we will have next year might factor into it.

Stanley, Hawkins, Rohan, Tuohy, even Dangerfield and Duncan could go. If you add in a few delistings, we could be having a pretty big turnover. I imagine the club would rather not have to fill 7 list spots in a single year, so they've made the call to cull a couple this year to get a head start and even the spread a little.

 

[allrighty]

I acrually think they have a good forward mix in Marshall, Finlayson, Georgiades. Don't see Lord getting a game with all 4 for

You're not an accountant are you?

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

I like the idea of leaving the trade to the last 15 min. If Port want him they give us Lord, if not he goes to draft. They can shove pick 23 up their ...

Further to that rival clubs will realize we aren't bluffing in the future...

 

[PzBlinky]

There's one factor in the Esava trade that most aren't considering - the fact that right now, they're still very much a competitor.

Yeah yeah, everyone wants to write us off - the cliff is finally here etc. But we know the club's not thinking that. A better pre-season, better luck with injuries, and we could easily be back in the top 4 (especially considering the reasonably weak competition).

So why should we give a potential competitor like Port an easy leg-up?

Sav's very much a need for them and is likely only going to get better now that he's had a year as a KPD. So why hand him off for a pick that's going to be late 20s and probably won't do much for us just to be "fair"?

Just like the TK deal, any serious rival should pay a price that makes them "bleed" a little. Maybe they should've consulted with Mackie before trading out their FR1 for a couple of second-rounders... if they didn't, that's on them.

On a related note, I was amused to see Edmund/Cornes saying how he was omitted for games. Sure, maybe a couple... but he still played 16 games and missed at least 3(?) with a hamstring injury. That's pretty good going for someone who's playing a new position in the seniors for the first time.

 

[Mr Meow]

If I owned the last Rolex on earth and it was locked in a safe that I didn’t have access to, and the only bloke in the world who knew the passcode offered me RRP for it, or he’ll take it for free anyway then yeh I’d take the money. Or something like that

But if having that watch is essential for his work the next year, will he let it go to his mate for free? These negotiations can be tricky. Perfectly reasonable to be letting the other party sweat at this stage.

 

[allrighty]

I agree with no one has serious inside knowledge
Some people get snippets here and there but this bloke picks up the from and calls Chris Scott apparently
That’s how in-depth he is with the ins and outs of the GFC

FFS is CS really going to be speculating to "insiders" days out from GF? I had a bit to do with high level staff at the club 20 or so years ago (yes I know!) and I got SFA from them.

 

[Cataholic]

WTF Clayton Oliver?

Medical episode.......

 

[allrighty]

Medical episode.......

AKA ...?

EDIT: I hope he is OK. He is a great player but reading b/w the lines there is shit around his life at the moment.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Finlayson isn't very popular amongst the coaching staff.

We should ask for him then

 

[Mr Meow]

There's one factor in the Esava trade that most aren't considering - the fact that right now, they're still very much a competitor.

Yeah yeah, everyone wants to write us off - the cliff is finally here etc. But we know the club's not thinking that. A better pre-season, better luck with injuries, and we could easily be back in the top 4 (especially considering the reasonably weak competition).

So why should we give a potential competitor like Port an easy leg-up?

Sav's very much a need for them and is likely only going to get better now that he's had a year as a KPD. So why hand him off for a pick that's going to be late 20s and probably won't do much for us just to be "fair"?

Just like the TK deal, any serious rival should pay a price that makes them "bleed" a little. Maybe they should've consulted with Mackie before trading out their FR1 for a couple of second-rounders... if they didn't, that's on them.

On a related note, I was amused to see Edmund/Cornes saying how he was omitted for games. Sure, maybe a couple... but he still played 16 games and missed at least 3(?) with a hamstring injury. That's pretty good going for someone who's playing a new position in the seniors for the first time.

Ratugolea averaged more contested marks than May and as many intercept marks as AA Wilkie. 0.2 less spoils per game than Weitering. He has plenty of upside and 6 good years of footy left in him - most of the good Butters/Rozee/JHF years.

Anyone should be paying a premium for that, let alone a competitor for finals. Like people said, it's not a deep draft this year at all. When 24 becomes 29 the value of that player is a lot less than an athletic tall we have pumped a lot of games and plenty of development into.

They should be coughing up a first or equivalent. Now we know Geelong tend to get deals done without being hard arses, but even if this is how it pans out we should at least make them sweat and see what else can be squeezed out of the orange. If he goes to the PSD and gets gobbled up by West Coast so be it.

 

[Johanpetro]

But if having that watch is essential for his work the next year, will he let it go to his mate for free? These negotiations can be tricky. Perfectly reasonable to be letting the other party sweat at this stage.

If it meant in the future when I need another watch, other watch collectors are more inclined to sell me a watch because I didn’t hoard my Rolex when I couldn’t use it then yes. Take my Rolex and let it flourish. Let the world see your shiny new watch on your arm. I’ll go buy another watch with my money and move on

 

[CatToTheFuture]

You're not an accountant are you?

Well it makes sense their pay day is on the next period.

I have studied some accounting but am not an accountant

 

[allrighty]

Well it makes sense their pay day is on the next period.

I have studied some accounting but am not an accountant

Sorry I was being obtuse again. I was referring to accrual accounting.

I'll see myself out for a while

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Apparently Geelong flew to Tassie to meet Geordie Payne who I know nothing about.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Sorry I was being obtuse again. I was referring to accrual accounting.

I'll see myself out for a while

My joke was that their performances would accrue to next year when they will get paid out in silverware....

I dunno it's hard to make accounting funny

 

[year of the cat]

would it require their Fr2 for a Fr3 or Fr3 from us... ? They have traded their Fr1 ... meaning they can only trade picks in the future that are doubled. Currently they have two r2's

Not sure the rules regarding that...

 

[Cataholic]

AKA ...?

EDIT: I hope he is OK. He is a great player but reading b/w the lines there is s**t around his life at the moment.

I should've used inverted commas, but yes, I too hope he can sort out the issues in his life and get back to being a mentally and physically healthy person, and the great footballer that he can be asap.

 

[Mr Meow]

If it meant in the future when I need another watch, other watch collectors are more inclined to sell me a watch because I didn’t hoard my Rolex when I couldn’t use it then yes. Take my Rolex and let it flourish. Let the world see your shiny new watch on your arm. I’ll go buy another watch with my money and move on

But you've got such a good track record already, especially with paying up for in-demand goods. He's thinking he has you backed into a corner. Wait, they're starting to laugh at him? I hope he comes up with something...

 

[PzBlinky]

Ratugolea averaged more contested marks than May and as many intercept marks as AA Wilkie. 0.2 less spoils per game than Weitering. He has plenty of upside and 6 good years of footy left in him - most of the good Butters/Rozee/JHF years.

Anyone should be paying a premium for that, let alone a competitor for finals. Like people said, it's not a deep draft this year at all. When 24 becomes 29 the value of that player is a lot less than an athletic tall we have pumped a lot of games and plenty of development into.

They should be coughing up a first or equivalent. Now we know Geelong tend to get deals done without being hard arses, but even if this is how it pans out we should at least make them sweat and see what else can be squeezed out of the orange. If he goes to the PSD and gets gobbled up by West Coast so be it.

Exactly - the mainstream narrative for 24 for Sav (on a pretty high-$$$ long-term offer?) just crumbles under even the simplest analysis of his performance. Had we played in a few finals and he'd played a good game like Lord did, you can bet your butt his value would've skyrocketed. The fact he did this in a team that was struggling though just shows how much he's capable of even as he's still getting comfortable with the role.

Kind of glad to see us stick to our guns. I'd be cheesed off if we'd agreed to something in principle beforehand then pulled a switch-and-bait, but it's just as (or even more) likely that Port traded their FR1 for those 2nd rounders based on what they though we'd accept.

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

If it meant in the future when I need another watch, other watch collectors are more inclined to sell me a watch because I didn’t hoard my Rolex when I couldn’t use it then yes. Take my Rolex and let it flourish. Let the world see your shiny new watch on your arm. I’ll go buy another watch with my money and move on

Launch the Rolex into outer space , let it do a few revolutions around the earth, at which time we can all relax because we realize the Rolex is useless because its no longer keeping the correct time (despite all the effort that's been put into over engineering the mechanisms inside the watch). It can then re-enter earth and crash land in a desert wasteland (Hawthorn).

 

[jim boy]

No I'm saying the 10th best kid in this draft is probably as good as the 10th best player in a typical draft. But the 15th best kid in this draft is probably as good as the 25th best player in a typical draft.

Given bids you'll need pick 8 to get the 10th best player so this is still a very valuable pick. But you'll probably need pick 12 to get the 15th best player so pick 12 is nowhere near as valuable as a "normal" pick 12.

It's why we're not keen on Port's pick 23 for Esava. If you think about it as more like a pick 40 because of this draft's lack of depth it doesn't seem like a great deal.

More to the point, Mackie and co know very well now who they are very likely to select with that pick, so while we are asking is Esava worth pick 20-something?, they are asking is Esava a better option than player x or player y or player z?

 

[Johanpetro]

Launch the Rolex into outer space , let it do a few revolutions around the earth, at which time we can all relax because we realize the Rolex is useless because its no longer keeping the correct time (despite all the effort that's been put into over engineering the mechanisms inside the watch). It can then re-enter earth and crash land in a desert wasteland (Hawthorn).

That’s the thing I didn’t tell the guy. It’s a fake Rolex made with fools gold

 

[year of the cat]

More to the point, Mackie and co know very well now who they are very likely to select with that pick, so while we are asking is Esava worth pick 20-something?, they are asking is Esava a better option than player x or player y or player z?

Or is the guy that we want going to be available with the pick that we will receive if we accept this offer?

 

[The rabbi]

Geelong is set to ask Port Adelaide to send young gun Ollie Lord their way in a proposed deal for Esava Ratugolea

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Esava Ratugolea

Age

27

Ht

197cm

Wt

108kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.6

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.2

4star

MG

131.6

2star

D

8.1

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

3.9

3star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.5

3star

MG

109.0

2star

D

9.2

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

133.8

3star

.

According to 9News Adelaide, the Cats are keen on the 21-year-old forward being included in any deal that would send Ratugolea to Alberton.

Lord made his debut in 2023 and played 13 games for the Power, including both losing finals. He kicked four goals in the qualifying final loss to Brisbane.

Cats' audacious call in bid to unlock trade standoff

Weeks after refusing deal with Port

wwos.nine.com.au

My apologies if it has already been posted.