Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt II

[cats_09]

Yep, this is making an appearance here also, and probably getting more useful as the season draws to a close and this discussion ramps up

 

[Play it Sam]

If it meant in the future when I need another watch, other watch collectors are more inclined to sell me a watch because I didn’t hoard my Rolex when I couldn’t use it then yes. Take my Rolex and let it flourish. Let the world see your shiny new watch on your arm. I’ll go buy another watch with my money and move on

But we pushed and shined and maintained that mother in blind faith- when we should have given our Timex's an outing.
Reward for effort would be nice.

 

[allrighty]

My joke was that their performances would accrue to next year when they will get paid out in silverware....

I dunno it's hard to make accounting funny

You just did. Well done.

 

[00VicWard001]

Not everyone is as nice as you though. If you had the last Rolex on Earth you'd probably sell it at RRP.

Someone who knows something about something...

 

[calder_daddy]

FFS is CS really going to be speculating to "insiders" days out from GF? I had a bit to do with high level staff at the club 20 or so years ago (yes I know!) and I got SFA from them.

The Chris Scott comment was tongue in cheek, but I agree with everything your saying.
IT’s a professional outfit, they won’t leak info, let alone the amount JJ speculates

 

[Sire of Claude]

Who is Geordie Payne?

 

[Kobe Gryant]

There's one factor in the Esava trade that most aren't considering - the fact that right now, they're still very much a competitor.

Yeah yeah, everyone wants to write us off - the cliff is finally here etc. But we know the club's not thinking that. A better pre-season, better luck with injuries, and we could easily be back in the top 4 (especially considering the reasonably weak competition).

So why should we give a potential competitor like Port an easy leg-up?

Sav's very much a need for them and is likely only going to get better now that he's had a year as a KPD. So why hand him off for a pick that's going to be late 20s and probably won't do much for us just to be "fair"?

Just like the TK deal, any serious rival should pay a price that makes them "bleed" a little. Maybe they should've consulted with Mackie before trading out their FR1 for a couple of second-rounders... if they didn't, that's on them.

On a related note, I was amused to see Edmund/Cornes saying how he was omitted for games. Sure, maybe a couple... but he still played 16 games and missed at least 3(?) with a hamstring injury. That's pretty good going for someone who's playing a new position in the seniors for the first time.

Agree 100%, and that will be the sentiment.

Having said that, I'll be expecting Jezza to kick 7 on Sav next year.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Who is Geordie Payne?

AFL club’s interest in Payne has been strong enough for them to jump on a plane to meet him.

“He’s had a few meetings with clubs. We’ve lost him a few times for training to drive to Launceston to meet with a couple of clubs,” Sharman said.

“I think Adelaide are pretty interested in him, and Sydney and Geelong have come down and met with Geordie.

“Adelaide’s had a few guys from Tassie go there. He (Ogilvie) always keeps an eye on the Tassie guys, hopefully he can look after one more.”"

https://www.themercury.com.au/sport/northwest-youngster-a-draft-hope-after-meeting-with-afl-clubs/news-story/a43ad284679f27af8c879f42fd6d5fcc?amp

 

[Kobe Gryant]

AFL club’s interest in Payne has been strong enough for them to jump on a plane to meet him.

“He’s had a few meetings with clubs. We’ve lost him a few times for training to drive to Launceston to meet with a couple of clubs,” Sharman said.

“I think Adelaide are pretty interested in him, and Sydney and Geelong have come down and met with Geordie.

“Adelaide’s had a few guys from Tassie go there. He (Ogilvie) always keeps an eye on the Tassie guys, hopefully he can look after one more.”"

https://www.themercury.com.au/sport/northwest-youngster-a-draft-hope-after-meeting-with-afl-clubs/news-story/a43ad284679f27af8c879f42fd6d5fcc?amp

Interesting.

Anybody with classy skills is a welcome addition. Possibly mates with Sanders and we're looking for a connection? Both Tassie boy's, and we seem to like having players who have played together before joining.

 

[dangerwood]

The majority on here seem to think 24 is fair. I get trying to do the best for the club but it's rare that supporters agree on the value of a player, usually Port would offer 30-40, their board would think that's fair, we'd argue for early 20s and the true value probably sits somewhere in the middle. The fact we think 24 is fair suggests it probably more than fair.

I know Wells has copped some criticism for going too soft with trades in the past but people do hold grudges and I know clubs and agents liked working with Geelong and it meant a few other things went our way. I think there can be damage done from pushing too hard.

 

[Sire of Claude]

We badly need another up and coming smaller defender with skills. Bews is nearer the end than the beginning and Bowes will spend more time mid-field next year you would think.

 

[Mr Meow]

We badly need another up and coming smaller defender with skills. Bews is nearer the end than the beginning and Bowes will spend more time mid-field next year you would think.

Curious as to why you'd think Bowes would be more midfield with Guthrie, Clark and Knevitt playing more games (likely) next season.

 

[goyoucatters]

The majority on here seem to think 24 is fair. I get trying to do the best for the club but it's rare that supporters agree on the value of a player, usually Port would offer 30-40, their board would think that's fair, we'd argue for early 20s and the true value probably sits somewhere in the middle. The fact we think 24 is fair suggests it probably more than fair.

I know Wells has copped some criticism for going too soft with trades in the past but people do hold grudges and I know clubs and agents liked working with Geelong and it meant a few other things went our way. I think there can be damage done from pushing too hard.

Does seem quite out of character for the club to behave in this way. Not sure whether it is because:

(a) the club has no other meaningful business to do during trade period, so we are just making Port work as hard as possible while we cool our heels;
(b) the club is genuinely miffed and truly believes that Rata is worth considerably more;
(c) the club has decided to behave as poorly as most other clubs always do in these situations, given the reward for acting with integrity and compassion seems to be marginal, at best;
(d) there is another deal in the mix that requires a certain outcome from this transaction to secure another player or pick; or
(e) some other contingency I can't reasonably bring to mind.

None of these options seem all that likely to me, given how we've generally behaved during trade week over the years. So I am more than a little bemused by how we're playing it. Still, maybe it's more similar to the Jordan Clark situation than I would have imagined. We did let the impasse play out for quite some time there before eventually finding a means of resolution.

Interestingly enough, in both situations, I have been of the opinion that the initial offer from the interested club was mostly fair and reasonable. On that basis, then, I'm fairly confident that we'll ultimately see the deal done without a great deal of fuss or fanfare. And for precious little improvement (if any) on the original offer we received.

#airsava
#stillscheduledfortakeoff
#stayclassygeelong

 

[Turbocat]

Not sure the rules regarding that...

As I understand the rules on trading futures... its either R1 ...or R2, R3, R4. Port have traded their R1...so they are not able to trade out of those other rounds. They can obtain another pick (like Freos R2) and then they could trade either one of those but not both.

 

[moond0g]

There's one factor in the Esava trade that most aren't considering - the fact that right now, they're still very much a competitor.

Yeah yeah, everyone wants to write us off - the cliff is finally here etc. But we know the club's not thinking that. A better pre-season, better luck with injuries, and we could easily be back in the top 4 (especially considering the reasonably weak competition).

So why should we give a potential competitor like Port an easy leg-up?

Sav's very much a need for them and is likely only going to get better now that he's had a year as a KPD. So why hand him off for a pick that's going to be late 20s and probably won't do much for us just to be "fair"?

I see this argument a bit. I may be in the minority, but I doubt it comes into our thinking much.

Our thoughts will finding the best way to improve us, not stopping another team improve. There are 16 other teams competing that don’t have any skin in the Esava game. So the impact this trade, or any other individual trade, has on our premiership hopes is minimal

 

[year of the cat]

As I understand the rules on trading futures... its either R1 ...or R2, R3, R4. Port have traded their R1...so they are not able to trade out of those other rounds. They can obtain another pick (like Freos R2) and then they could trade either one of those but not both.

You can’t trade one out at the same time you trade one back in?

 

[Turbocat]

My view doesn't come from watching games. I don't follow the juniors at all.

But I have a good friend who is a senior scout in the recruiting department for an AFL club. He thought there would be guys being picked in the 20s this year that would be lucky to be rookie picks in strong drafts and that it's by far the weakest draft for depth he's seen.

I think if given the choice we would probably prefer Freo's future 2nd instead of pick 23.

Fair enough. Im not disputing that the top10 or so stand out .. just that ..just perhaps the drop off is being a little over played. One would have to be strong in your own judgment and be a run against the herd type to say that the emperor has no clothes.... and perhaps having two players like Edwards and Wilson etc ...woudl not be such a bad outcome. The issue is how far back from the top ten.. Lets just see what the deals are offered.

 

[dangerwood]

In support of Jumping Jack my mail is that we aren't into Ollie Lord. My mail isn't what it use to be but just adding 2 cents. My mail often correlates with Jumping Jack so I trust his source and like reading his Intel.

I know we're all mythical creatures here and anyone can make anything up and it can get frustrating reading mix messages and Intel but my guess (and I don't know jumping Jack from a bar a soap) is that they have a good source. I get that we can't trust anyone just because they post emphatically but that's my input, don't have to take it.

 

[Turbocat]

You can’t trade one out at the same time you trade one back in?

Port have no Fr1. They have two Fr2's. They can trade one of the Fr2s. They have only one Fr3 and Fr4..so as far as I know they can not be moved unless they get another pick form that round. They could not give us their Fr3.... even if it mean we traded back a Fr4.

They could trade us a Fr2 ..and we give them anything as it stands because we have not traded out out 2024 atm.

There was commentary about changing this rule to allow Fr1 and Fr4

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

David King reckons Port getting Rata will change them into genuine premiership contenders and that pick 24 isn't enough. Port need to change their back 6 otherwise nothing changes and won't win a flag, so need to get it done, even if it means they pay overs.

 

[Rosso]

Sav is worth a 2nd round pick. Don't forget he's played a single season as a key defender and did it pretty well. However, if Port are stumping up 5 years at $700k or thereabouts, that's where things change. And that's probably why we've knocked back their initial offer.

There's some interest in Lord. A young key forward that hasn't done a great deal to date but did kick 4 in an AFL final. Don't underestimate that performance at his age. In saying that, even if he agrees, he's coming over on a contract well under Sav's offering. Mackie will ask for more. No doubt about it.

And I don't care if it causes boredom and shyte posting for a few more days. As long as we get the best possible deal. That's good enough for me.

 

[JimmyBC]

David King reckons Port getting Rata will change them into genuine premiership contenders and that pick 24 isn't enough. Port need to change their back 6 otherwise nothing changes and won't win a flag, so need to get it done, even if it means they pay overs.

We could trade in the All-Australian team and as long as Hinkley is still coaching we wouldn't be a genuine contender lol

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

Looking at Sanders from a stat's perspective ... 9 games, 30.6 disposals, 7 clearances. I don't think he's a chance of falling to us at pick 7.

 

[Two Planks]

Looking at Sanders from a stat's perspective ... 9 games, 30.6 disposals, 7 clearances. I don't think he's a chance of falling to us at pick 7.

I don't think one dimensional accumulating midfielders are sexy at the moment.

 

[rocker_oz33]

So what was all of the hooha about him speaking to other clubs.

Bogus?

He prob wanted more .

But at his age one year at a time .

Imo

 

[rocker_oz33]

David King reckons Port getting Rata will change them into genuine premiership contenders and that pick 24 isn't enough. Port need to change their back 6 otherwise nothing changes and won't win a flag, so need to get it done, even if it means they pay overs.

King is a Bell end