Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt II

[cats_09]

Yep, this is making an appearance here also, and probably getting more useful as the season draws to a close and this discussion ramps up

 

[00VicWard001]

I hear you, it is transactional but damage can be done, agree to disagree. Player managers have behaved favourably towards Geelong because they have been easy to deal with both in terms of not pushing for more cash or supporting players in coming to Geelong.

You’re not wrong, but I don’t think it matters.

That concept of win/win in negotiation and game theory is often trumped by self interest (I want to keep my job, look great to the board) and ego.

adding to this - the job of list manager across 18 clubs isn’t a lifetime one - so the credit Wells has built with team A in 2015, has no bearing on his trade with team B in 2019; nor with his trade with Team A again in 2021, with a new list manager.

He gets recognised as a good guy who’s easy to deal with and that he makes it happen (at any cost) for opposition players to come to Geelong.

But.. Dodoro, whose has the diametrically opposite reputation to Wells also has the same outcome, but not at any cost.

So does it really matter?

 

[00VicWard001]

Agreed, Jenkins doesn’t seem like someone I’d want to have an influence on other people.

Self interested. Not like Ottens at all.

 

[Cameron_Jezza]

For Esava, does anybody know if we offered Esava, 2024r2 for Ports 2024r1?
Or did they reject it, or did we only offer
Esava, 2024r3 for Port 2024r1.
That would be better than where we are now.
I think we should accept 24, maybe try to add a future 3rd.

 

[calder_daddy]

Interesting interview with Trent Bianca I heard a replay of just before
He mentioned clubs he’s keen on and his responses was Geelong and the bulldogs
Sees himself as a pure wingman

 

[dazbroncos]

David King reckons Port getting Rata will change them into genuine premiership contenders and that pick 24 isn't enough. Port need to change their back 6 otherwise nothing changes and won't win a flag, so need to get it done, even if it means they pay overs.

Finally Kingy with some Cats luv.

GO Catters

 

[dazbroncos]

Funny how Crows forced a trade for PFD and got good returns for it. Crows were applauded for standing tall.
GWS forces trade for Jezza - gets a Giant bounty - they get applauded for standing tall.

GFC makes WC pay for Kelly and we are pricks.
GFC hold on to Sav for more than 24 - pricks!

Guess its in the eye of the beholder.

IMO - 24 with some sugar would be nice but realistically its gonna be 24 for Sav.

GO Catters

 

[Turbocat]

Funny how Crows forced a trade for PFD and got good returns for it. Crows were applauded for standing tall.
GWS forces trade for Jezza - gets a Giant bounty - they get applauded for standing tall.

GFC makes WC pay for Kelly and we are pricks.
GFC hold on to Sav for more than 24 - pricks!

Guess its in the eye of the beholder.

IMO - 24 with some sugar would be nice but realistically its gonna be 24 for Sav.

GO Catters

Very true.

And those rfa situations a player really should have earned the right to move to the club of their choice. In theory I think the same for Sav but the system is not that way . If he was a FA atm... the whole situation would probably be resolved. He would be UFA..and at his age and the offer... a good chance of Band2 so end of r1.

 

[foxdog50]

Just react to this message so you don't have to reply to it...
Would people trade our pick 8 for North Melbourne pick 15 & 17

for yes ( like )

for No ( disagree )

An overwhelming 18 No... and 0 yes.. I might have to like it to give it at least 1 like

 

[Bagelboy]

Surely we aren't that dumb. Conway missed most of the season injured. Stanley missed a lot of the season injured. Blicavs missed a lot of the season injured. Cegler has retired and Esava is out the door.

So if Stanley and Conway get injured, we have Blicavs and SDK but having them ruck weakens the midfield and defense significantly.

I can't see us not getting a ruck.

Also Neale, the big furph dog and mid season draft.

 

[foxdog50]

It doesn’t sound like we’ve made a lot of inquires on rucks. There are a couple around Port that might be available but they’re really in Ceglar category.
It doesn’t sound like Soldo will get to Port, I’d be interested in asking if he wanted to come across. He’s at a good age to add to our existing rucks and has looked at moving last year and this year. But is contracted so tigers may not be keen to let him go.

You would hope we get someone... id be happy with Hayeseven as a backup as we noleed someone

 

[foxdog50]

Pretty sure Mackie said we aren't looking to bring in any rucks and just going with what we've got.

Really... surely we need backup. Where he say this?

 

[Turbocat]

Interesting interview with Trent Bianca I heard a replay of just before
He mentioned clubs he’s keen on and his responses was Geelong and the bulldogs
Sees himself as a pure wingman

I have heard a few of the delisted players talk. Hately, OBrien are others. Hately was confident after a good season in the sanfl. We have show we like players from that comp. I think OBrien put a good case for himself..that he can run sub 6.0 minute 2k for example. Considering our needs ... adding one or two to our VFL side ..with the chance to show their worth... maybe we pick one SSP...maybe they are options MSD... as inside mids and wingman are probably areas we need buttress.

OBrien shows the flaw in the pre-ocupation with the top talent in draft beyound all others. P10 in 2017. Even a year in Suns are considerinhg trading a contracted Hollands p7 in 2020

 

[dont stop me meow]

My joke was that their performances would accrue to next year when they will get paid out in silverware....

I dunno it's hard to make accounting funny

Yet somehow you managed to do it

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Very true.

And those rfa situations a player really should have earned the right to move to the club of their choice. In theory I think the same for Sav but the system is not that way . If he was a FA atm... the whole situation would probably be resolved. He would be UFA..and at his age and the offer... a good chance of Band2 so end of r1.

He would have been UFA next year funnily enough (if he signed with us for 12 months which is what im sure the club would prefer).

 

[allrighty]

Funny how Crows forced a trade for PFD and got good returns for it. Crows were applauded for standing tall.
GWS forces trade for Jezza - gets a Giant bounty - they get applauded for standing tall.

GFC makes WC pay for Kelly and we are pricks.
GFC hold on to Sav for more than 24 - pricks!

Guess its in the eye of the beholder.

IMO - 24 with some sugar would be nice but realistically its gonna be 24 for Sav.

GO Catters

Everyone else is just sick of Geelong Daz, you know that. We have outperformed every other team consistently for nearly 20 years and people will take any chance to pot us.

Reality is we are easy to deal with, and are a destination club for a reason.

 

[FootyLad0]

Everyone else is just sick of Geelong Daz, you know that. We have outperformed every other team consistently for nearly 20 years and people will take any chance to pot us.

Reality is we are easy to deal with, and are a destination club for a reason.

Don't say that in the Esava thread, apparently our "cUlTuRe!" is bad....nah clearly the last 20 years Geelong has been such a shit place to work lol

This coming from fans of a club that on multiple occasions put their players in danger with not following concussion protocols. I'd be disgusted if my team didn't care about our player's welfare.

 

[Cameron_Jezza]

Everyone else is just sick of Geelong Daz, you know that. We have outperformed every other team consistently for nearly 20 years and people will take any chance to pot us.

Reality is we are easy to deal with, and are a destination club for a reason.

Teams are rightfully pissed off with the Bowes trade for pick 7 last year. But it doesn't really matter now, Gold Coast gave away about 1600 points last year but gained about 3000 trading down multiple times this year.

 

[Catman]

Funny how Crows forced a trade for PFD and got good returns for it. Crows were applauded for standing tall.
GWS forces trade for Jezza - gets a Giant bounty - they get applauded for standing tall.

GFC makes WC pay for Kelly and we are pricks.
GFC hold on to Sav for more than 24 - pricks!

Guess its in the eye of the beholder.

IMO - 24 with some sugar would be nice but realistically its gonna be 24 for Sav.

GO Catters

It's the result of the mindf**king we've done to pretty much every other club over the past 15+ years.

 

[FootyLad0]

Sounds like the likelihood of us trading pick 8 is high.

We have to bring at least a first round pick back?
The only way i see this happening is if our target is already gone by the time we get to our pick and i wouldn't be trading for anything less than 3 picks.

This draft is super light on great talent so picks outside top 10 are weak.

 

[year of the cat]

We have to bring at least a first round pick back?
The only way i see this happening is if our target is already gone by the time we get to our pick and i wouldn't be trading for anything less than 3 picks.

This draft is super light on great talent so picks outside top 10 are weak.

I think as long as we bring one in next year we are fine. That won't be an issue either way as we will be trading for at least one for either this or next year's draft.

I agree re talent. I don't want a scenario where we trade out 8 for 3 mid teen picks which could amount to nothing. We need elite talent so in this draft, unless Sanders is gone, I'd be putting all my eggs in the one basket. The exception to that perhaps being trading into a FF in the next draft. If we were to trade down a couple of spots if Sanders was gone to take Wilson PLUS get a FF that would be a good result I think.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I think as long as we bring one in next year we are fine. That won't be an issue either way as we will be trading for at least one for either this or next year's draft.

I agree re talent. I don't want a scenario where we trade out 8 for 3 mid teen picks which could amount to nothing. We need elite talent so in this draft, unless Sanders is gone, I'd be putting all my eggs in the one basket. The exception to that perhaps being trading into a FF in the next draft. If we were to trade down a couple of spots if Sanders was gone to take Wilson PLUS get a FF that would be a good result I think.

I'm warming to the idea of grabbing Wilson and picking up a F1.

Grab Stevens with pick 24 and hope Hastie lasts until our next pick.

That would be a decent trade/draft period.

 

[year of the cat]

I'm warming to the idea of grabbing Wilson and picking up a F1.

Grab Stevens with pick 24 and hope Hastie lasts until our next pick.

That would be a decent trade/draft period.

I'd be happy with that scenario. Probably still erring to taking Sanders if he's there though. Dogs now reported to be after Watson which may open things up for us, particularly if North end up getting pick 1.

 

[dangerwood]

You’re not wrong, but I don’t think it matters.

That concept of win/win in negotiation and game theory is often trumped by self interest (I want to keep my job, look great to the board) and ego.

adding to this - the job of list manager across 18 clubs isn’t a lifetime one - so the credit Wells has built with team A in 2015, has no bearing on his trade with team B in 2019; nor with his trade with Team A again in 2021, with a new list manager.

He gets recognised as a good guy who’s easy to deal with and that he makes it happen (at any cost) for opposition players to come to Geelong.

But.. Dodoro, whose has the diametrically opposite reputation to Wells also has the same outcome, but not at any cost.

So does it really matter?

Not in terms of trades, dodo still gets it done but possibly from a list management point of view. Geelong get the likes of Dangerfield and Cameron without paying top dollar, I know they both wanted to move back to Geelong but frustrated player managers can drive things harder, if you make their life easier they can look after you to a degree.

Look at the fella in WA that seems to hate Freo, I know his players have a say too but he certainly isn't helping.

 

[Shadow89]

I'm warming to the idea of grabbing Wilson and picking up a F1.

Grab Stevens with pick 24 and hope Hastie lasts until our next pick.

That would be a decent trade/draft period.

I'm Charlie Edwards instead of Stevens at 24, but largely similar thinking

I trust where I got the info about TDK and apparently he had a verbal agreement in place with Geelong to seek a trade

I knew 100% certain that Dangerfield was headed to Geelong. It was direct info from a prominent figure that used to work at the club but is elsewhere now.

Don't stress you're one of the two I was referring to when I said 'there are certain insiders I trust'

You knew about Bowes and Pick 7 way out. You knew Ollie and Tanner would likely be home in a couple of years, and you were consistent on TDK all year until he backflipped. Lot of runs on the board.

 

[Shadow89]

I'd be happy with that scenario. Probably still erring to taking Sanders if he's there though. Dogs now reported to be after Watson which may open things up for us, particularly if North end up getting pick 1.

This is my prediction too. If Dogs get Watson - who they traded up for - then we're much more likely to get Sanders.

Good to see articles confirming that's who we want yesterday, as some of us have been saying it for quite a while now.