Review 2023 National Draft Review Thread II [McKercher, Z.Duursma, Goad, W.Dawson, Hardeman, Maley]

[ohmygewd]

Ditto.. justroyal & Garibaldi82 great having EP experts...just calm down on your professional opinions on each other...just focus on whether Watto can grow 10 cms from now till draft night?

 

[TerryFilk]

Or you know the player you want will go top 4 hence rejected it
As pick 5 May as well be pick 10
That range seems fairly even

So far we’ve yet to offer any of our top 3 picks

I think we will end up offering one to get the deal done with a teens pick

At pick 4 we’re guaranteed one of McKercher, Duursma or Curtin, so I don’t think that’s the case when we’d like them all and would’ve gotten an extra top 5 pick next year in a stacked midfield draft.

 

[The Nostradamus]

At pick 4 we’re guaranteed one of McKercher, Duursma or Curtin, so I don’t think that’s the case when we’d like them all and would’ve gotten an extra top 5 pick next year in a stacked midfield draft.

That’s assuming you want Duursma who imo is not in that top tier

What if you want only Kerch or curtin
You’d reject pick 4 to make sure of getting a top 3 pick only

 

[Sphynx]

At pick 4 we’re guaranteed one of McKercher, Duursma or Curtin, so I don’t think that’s the case when we’d like them all and would’ve gotten an extra top 5 pick next year in a stacked midfield draft.

Why are you automatically calling Hawthorns future pick a top 5 pick?

Brockman is irrelevant, it's hardly Josh Kennedy added to the deal

I think the key point here is you dont want Duursma or Curtin seemingly, you want McKercher.

So 4, F1 and Brockman doesn't look great on paper for your recruiters if you dont come home with one of Reid or McKercher.

 

[Garibaldi82]

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Ditto.. justroyal & Garibaldi82 great having EP experts...just calm down on your professional opinions on each other...just focus on whether Watto can grow 10 cms from now till draft night?

I don't see why not. JustChatGPT will find a way

 

[hilly]

So we should forget about Reid, Biggie & CJ's brother and draft the bloke who just won the Chicago marathon!?

He'd be a Category B pick-up too... We're due one of those actually playing an AFL game.

How good would that be. Imagine him clocking 40km a game down the members wing. Make it happen Funky Adcocks.

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[TerryFilk]

That’s assuming you want Duursma who imo is not in that top tier

What if you want only Kerch or curtin
You’d reject pick 4 to make sure of getting a top 3 pick only

I think it’s becoming clear you won’t pick Curtin, I can maybe buy that we want McKercher and that’s why we want 2, but I don’t think we want him bad enough that we’d slide down to 2 and give up Reid for McKercher and one pick in the teens when we could have Curtin or Duursma at 4 and another top 5 pick next year from Hawthorn. Their offer is comfortably better.

 

[ohmygewd]

At pick 4 we’re guaranteed one of McKercher, Duursma or Curtin, so I don’t think that’s the case when we’d like them all and would’ve gotten an extra top 5 pick next year in a stacked midfield draft.

Question that needs to be asked is who does WC actually need? And if you had picks 2,3,15,17,18 who would you as WCE fan want?
You can be pigheaded and say Reid or pick 2+3 but if next year's if midfield loaded, would the smart option be a Curtin & Duursma then next year a Jagga Smith to compliment Ginbey & Hewett?
Or are you guys confident you wont finish last?

 

[TerryFilk]

Why are you automatically calling Hawthorns future pick a top 5 pick?

Brockman is irrelevant, it's hardly Josh Kennedy added to the deal

I think the key point here is you dont want Duursma or Curtin seemingly, you want McKercher.

So 4, F1 and Brockman doesn't look great on paper for your recruiters if you dont come home with one of Reid or McKercher.

1. Because who are they jumping next year? Worst case scenario in my mind is their pick comes in at 7, it’s still a far better offer than 2 and a teens pick.

2. We gave up 46 and 63 for him, obviously bugger all but my point is we could’ve saved those picks in that deal.

3. Agreed, but I don’t think we want him bad enough where we’d give up another top 4-7 pick next year e.g. Hawks offer and accept what you guys think we will (2 and 15).

4. I don’t think McKercher and a pick in the teens looks good either.

Ultimately I just don’t think there’s a middle ground us and you guys will reach, we want a ridiculous offer, you guys don’t want to put that forward (rightfully so).

 

[Sphynx]

I think it’s becoming clear you won’t pick Curtin, I can maybe buy that we want McKercher and that’s why we want 2, but I don’t think we want him bad enough that we’d slide down to 2 and give up Reid for McKercher and one pick in the teens when we could have Curtin or Duursma at 4 and another top 5 pick next year from Hawthorn. Their offer is comfortably better.

Then why not take it?

You wont be getting a better offer from us, if thats the case.

 

[hilly]

I think it’s becoming clear you won’t pick Curtin, I can maybe buy that we want McKercher and that’s why we want 2, but I don’t think we want him bad enough that we’d slide down to 2 and give up Reid for McKercher and one pick in the teens when we could have Curtin or Duursma at 4 and another top 5 pick next year from Hawthorn. Their offer is comfortably better.

It was a great offer but interesting that you knocked it back. I can't see 3 + anything from us cutting the mustard so it's 2 and change (not sure what said change looks like).

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[TerryFilk]

Then why not take it?

You wont be getting a better offer from us, if thats the case.

That’s what I’m saying… we’re not trading pick 1 unless you part with 2 and 3, which you guys won’t.

It’s why the discourse is so funny to me, it’s clear as day neither club is going to find a middle ground they are happy with.

 

[The Nostradamus]

I still think 2 and 15 will get it done if/when we make that offer

Which we have been reluctant to do so far

Move down 1 spot but get a free first rounder

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Why are you automatically calling Hawthorns future pick a top 5 pick?

Brockman is irrelevant, it's hardly Josh Kennedy added to the deal

I think the key point here is you dont want Duursma or Curtin seemingly, you want McKercher.

So 4, F1 and Brockman doesn't look great on paper for your recruiters if you dont come home with one of Reid or McKercher.

Brockman was subsequently valued at pick 44 and 63 - it's almost certain that 63 won't be used. And as you say, Hawthorn is no certainty to finish bottom 5 next year.

 

[Roos1991]

I don't think he's got the physical gifts of those guys personally, they all have real burst power and are naturally heavily built.

McKercher is more like them as a midfielder, but a lighter version.

Hard to peg what he eventually might become, something like a cross between a Fritsch/Stringer/Heeney as a forward, but with better midfield potential than all of them. He's probably a better contested mark than all of them, even better than Heeney who is amazing overhead.

Stringer is an amazing clearance player when he plays there, but just doesn't have the endurance there to last longer than a few minutes.

I've also heard a few scouts and recruiters compare him to Fyfe also if he can really fill out. Fyfe has a very similar athletic profile to Duursma. Played a similar role in juniors also.

Jimmy Bartel is another very good comparison as a midfield prospect. Jimmy was amazing overhead and Duursma is legitimately close to the best contested mark in the entire draft.

If he grows another few cm to 192/193cm, you are talking a genuine CHF prospect also. In which case you are probably talking a Charlie Curnow type forward.

If Duursma was 193cm, I'd have him close to #1 ahead of both Reid and Walter, as I'd be developing him as a CHF with his vertical, contested marking, agility, engine etc. He'd be an absolutely unique prospect given his natural forward craft, marking, vertical - much better prospect than Cadman in almost all aspect as an example if he got the height..

This also comes into consideration for clubs, physical growth potential shouldn't be underestimated, it's almost like betting on stocks etc in some way.

Duursma only turned 18 about 8 weeks ago, so there's definitely a chance he grows more...

Will Dawson is another in that bracket, who is a late birthday for this draft (20th December)

Concern I have with Duursma is if he doesn't put on enough size to be imposing/hold his own at AFL level, like his brother at Port. If he doesn't have the burst of speed and raw power of a Dusty or Petracca, he'd need something else in his toolkit to gain an edge like a strong physical presence. Happy to be convinced otherwise, I've only seen his highlights.

 

[Shermanator]

I know it’s a touchy subject on this board lol, I don’t want to overstep, but you guys need to remember we rejected pick 4, a future 1st (almost certainly a top 5 pick) and Brockman for pick 1. So we wouldn’t accept 3 and 15 (I’m assuming that is your offer for Reid in your post).

 

[R00StaR]

1. Because who are they jumping next year? Worst case scenario in my mind is their pick comes in at 7, it’s still a far better offer than 2 and a teens pick.

2. We gave up 46 and 63 for him, obviously bugger all but my point is we could’ve saved those picks in that deal.

3. Agreed, but I don’t think we want him bad enough where we’d give up another top 4-7 pick next year e.g. Hawks offer and accept what you guys think we will (2 and 15).

4. I don’t think McKercher and a pick in the teens looks good either.

Ultimately I just don’t think there’s a middle ground us and you guys will reach, we want a ridiculous offer, you guys don’t want to put that forward (rightfully so).

Thing is we dont think trading up is worth more than pick 2 and a late teens pick. No doubt North sees it the same way, although theres an outside chance we offer 2, 17 and 18 for 1 and 23 but many of us dont want a bid higher than 2 and 17.
If you guys really want Reid that bad just take him. We'll be fine with what we have.

 

[chubbspeterson]

Neither here nor there for mine
Just average kick and very one sided

I do find it a little interesting that you say this about McKercher but not Philactides, who has similar flaws.

 

[TerryFilk]

Thing is we dont think trading up is worth more than pick 2 and a late teens pick. No doubt North sees it the same way, although theres an outside chance we offer 2, 17 and 18 for 1 and 23 but many of us dont want a bid higher than 2 and 17.
If you guys really want Reid that bad just take him. We'll be fine with what we have.

I absolutely agree, which is why I’m saying I don’t think there’ll be a middle ground.

 

[hsquid]

I absolutely agree, which is why I’m saying I don’t think there’ll be a middle ground.

I hope you’re right and nothing happens but it wouldn’t surprise me if the eagles accepted a lesser offer.
The WC board seems to have confused it’s own tough-guy demand for 2 & 3 with the position of the actual club which I fear may be more sensible.

 

[LB2Snake]

I hope you’re right and nothing happens but it wouldn’t surprise me if the eagles accepted a lesser offer.
The WC board seems to have confused it’s own tough-guy demand for 2 & 3 with the position of the actual club which I fear may be more sensible.

So much this!!! No club ever would trade 2 and 3 for pick 1.
Eagles want McK. They are posturing.

 

[Flawed Genius]

I'm bored of Terry. Can we go back to the exercise physiologists and activation exercises at 10 paces please

 

[Hearts to hearts]

That’s what I’m saying… we’re not trading pick 1 unless you part with 2 and 3, which you guys won’t.

It’s why the discourse is so funny to me, it’s clear as day neither club is going to find a middle ground they are happy with.

It’s only clear as day they can’t meet in the middle if the clubs think the same way as Bigfooty posters. Experience suggests a middle ground being reached between two clubs with level heads and good trading history is entirely possible.

 

[Souup]

Just curious, assuming O’Sullivan is off the board by Pick 15, who would your picks be for those late first rounders?

Darcy Wilson, Mitch Edwards, Angus Hastie, James Leake, Joel Freijah, Will Green, Caleb Windsor, Ollie Murphy

^ In order of preference

 

[Liam Boy]

I still think 2 and 15 will get it done if/when we make that offer

Which we have been reluctant to do so far

Move down 1 spot but get a free first rounder

They should exhaust the possibility of bundling 15 for Geelong's pick first