List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread III

[Shinboner1]

McKercher on a wing

So why did we just trade in Stephens?

 

[My Left Foote]

Not sure you can really say our midfield isn't good enough. This season was such a mess that our best midfield has never even played together.

Exactly and that's why it isn't good enough. If we have an injury, especially to LDU or Jy, then we don't have the depth and/or experience to cover them yet.

 

[The Nostradamus]

So why did we just trade in Stephens?

To replace bailey the butcher

But no agree I don’t want mckercher when imo he’s not even better than the best 5 mids next year

 

[Shermanator]

Yep, it's a nothing pick. Fine to use it on Biggie. Unfortunately we got that pick when we dump traded pick 43 before the draft last year. It wasn't great list management.

No use looking in the rear vision mirror we can't change that - keep your eyes on the road ahead..

 

[north_lad]

I’d suggest Mahony is gone regardless

You don't delist elite talent like that

 

[ToxicMegaPunts]

Think of it as 8,25,60 and 61 vs 15,18, 25 and 60

They only have 2 decent picks atm
Splitting 8 to get the more spread out hand could appeal

They have spots to fill after not bringing in anyone

They have one decent pick (8), one average pick (25), and one speculative pick (60). They can trade picks up until and during the draft. They have several rookies that they might be planning on upgrading. They have a full suite of 2024 picks as well. Plenty of options for drafting/upgrading enough players to fill their list. Forgoing one of Caddy or O'Sullivan (or possibly Watson/Sanders) for two of our teen picks would not be high on the list IMO.

 

[The Nostradamus]

You don't delist elite talent like that

Thanks for the laugh

 

[koshari]

No use looking in the rear vision mirror we can't change that - keep your eyes on the road ahead..

problem is as perps hinted this stuff happens all to often, you really have to learn from your mistakes rather than ad nausium repeating them, our list management has been very poor for a long time, if we get out of the celler and dont have access to the pointy end of the draft we are going to have to become a lot better at this caper.

 

[Shinboner1]

To replace bailey the butcher

But no agree I don’t want mckercher when imo he’s not even better than the best 5 mids next year

I agree we need depth but I'm pretty sure bailey is locked into a wing position.

 

[The Nostradamus]

problem is as perps hinted this stuff happens all to often, you really have to learn from your mistakes rather than ad nausium repeating them, our list management has been very poor for a long time, if we get out of the celler and dont have access to the pointy end of the draft we are going to have to become a lot better at this caper.

Yep it’s all about balance
Call out both the good and bad moves

that’s how you hold people accountable and improve

 

[Shermanator]

problem is as perps hinted this stuff happens all to often, you really have to learn from your mistakes rather than ad nausium repeating them, our list management has been very poor for a long time, if we get out of the celler and dont have access to the pointy end of the draft we are going to have to become a lot better at this caper.

Yes I get that, we had a period of absolute poor list management - Moneyball type shit.

But lucky for us those types are no longer with us, Brady has done a bloody good job over the last couple of years - especially with all the JHHF crap and outside noise our club has been copping too.

We now have some excellent picks this year and all of our movements have been fairly water tight in recent times, not like the good ol' days of a few years back.. those years are gone and are in the record book - only Marty McFly can change that.

Why people keep going back to that shit and inflicting pain on themselves is absolutely mind boggling to me..

 

[The Nostradamus]

Yes I get that, we had a period of absolute poor list management - Moneyball type s**t.

But lucky for us those types are no longer with us, Brady has done a bloody good job over the last couple of years - especially with all the JHHF crap and outside noise our club has been copping too.

We now have some excellent picks this year and all of our movements have been fairly water tight in recent times, not like the good ol' days of a few years back.. those years are gone and are in the record book - only Marty McFly can change that.

Why people keep going back to that s**t and inflicting pain on themselves is absolutely mind boggling to me..

Perps is referring to Brady’s last years dumping of pick 40s/50s to this years pick 57 and 65

Not referring to pre brady moves

 

[R00StaR]

So why did we just trade in Stephens?

We can have more than 2 player suitable for the wing cant we? Maybe they're eyeballing Stephens for half back who knows.

 

[Farthers]

Hey mods. Could someone please pin Lore's provisional draft order to this thread? I think it was on Pt II but it didn't carry over.

 

[Shermanator]

Perps is referring to Brady’s last years dumping of pick 40s/50s to this years pick 57 and 65

Not referring to pre brady moves

Who cares???... we've got a club record 8055 points to go shopping with along with two elite left-footed runners already on the books.

Couldn't give a flying **** about last years picks in the 40's and 50's..

 

[The Nostradamus]

Who cares???... we've got a club record 8055 points to go shopping with along with two elite left-footed runners already on the books.

Couldn't give a flying * about last years picks in the 40's and 50's..

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he's saying and I agree they could have easily used that pick (plenty of KPF could have been taken, take 1 less rookie last year) instead of trading it away for what will seemingly likely not be used

it's minor but id rather Keeler or lemmey on our list over hamish free for example

 

[Cameron_Jezza]

They have one decent pick (8), one average pick (25), and one speculative pick (60). They can trade picks up until and during the draft. They have several rookies that they might be planning on upgrading. They have a full suite of 2024 picks as well. Plenty of options for drafting/upgrading enough players to fill their list. Forgoing one of Caddy or O'Sullivan (or possibly Watson/Sanders) for two of our teen picks would not be high on the list IMO.

Do you think North do
8,25 for 15,17,18?
Or would North want something different,
Like 8 for 17,18,2024r2

 

[King Hansen]

Do you think North do
8,25 for 15,17,18?
Or would North want something different,
Like 8 for 17,18,2024r2

Happy with either

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Yes, he stuffed it up. We ended player trade period with more picks than list positions and rather than push a couple of players back to the rookie list, he traded in another pick so we had to dump trade. We ended up one of three teams with a maxed out primary list and had no flexibility at the draft because we had committed to taking Cooper with our last pick. It was a complete shambles.

This post has to be a nomination for anti-POTY.

 

[Shermanator]

he's saying and I agree they could have easily used that pick (plenty of KPF could have been taken, take 1 less rookie last year) instead of trading it away for what will seemingly likely not be used

it's minor but id rather Keeler or lemmey on our list over hamish free for example

 

[perplexed]

This post has to be a nomination for anti-POTY.

Thanks mate, much appreciated.

 

[DocSholl]

Given there seems to be a clear top eight "open" prospects, I'd be surprised if two of our later teens picks is the best Geelong could do by draft night.

 

[ToxicMegaPunts]

Do you think North do
8,25 for 15,17,18?
Or would North want something different,
Like 8 for 17,18,2024r2

I'm unsure whether it is something Brady & Co. are considering. They might be happy selecting 3 targets in the 20-25 range on the night. Or depending on who is still on the board at 8 (which will most likely be 10 at that point), potentially trading up with something similar as you suggested above.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Given there seems to be a clear top eight "open" prospects, I'd be surprised if two of our later teens picks is the best Geelong could do by draft night.

The top 8 is what the media want you to believe

It’s deeper more even than that across the first round

 

[LB2Snake]

Do you think North do
8,25 for 15,17,18?
Or would North want something different,
Like 8 for 17,18,2024r2

More to the point, do you think Mackie does? I think we are clearly open to trading 2 of the teens picks into a single digit pick, but I don't think we will do 3 or throw in a 2nd rounder....maybe you guys keep the 25?