List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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[shooshka]

You think 3 plus Norths F1st (1-4) would get it done?

I can already hear fans in both camps not liking that outcome AT ALL!

Im not sure myself who wins that trade.

Which is one indicator its close to the mark.

2 + F1st probably does.

And TBF to Nth that would make little difference as I think we take McKercher if we hold 2, and with Reid they probably won’t want another mid so would be looking at Curtin/Duursma.


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[Free Agent]

It’s vaguely draft related.

Look at Reuben Ginbey. One year into the AFL.

He’s an absolute weapon.
When we talk about splitting picks, we could’ve had Sheezel or Wardlaw who have been excellent.

No one will doubt Sheezel will be a gun. Wardlaw looked good until he was put on ice.

But… seeing this dude just throw himself into everything isn’t a bad consolation prize - considering we have Hewett as well.

I know the stakes are much much higher this year. Just remember it’s not all Brander. Splits can be good.

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Not the year for it. Made complete sense last year. Makes absolutely no sense splitting this year.

 

[ShaunDuggan]

It’s vaguely draft related.

Look at Reuben Ginbey. One year into the AFL.

He’s an absolute weapon.
When we talk about splitting picks, we could’ve had Sheezel or Wardlaw who have been excellent.

No one will doubt Sheezel will be a gun. Wardlaw looked good until he was put on ice.

But… seeing this dude just throw himself into everything isn’t a bad consolation prize - considering we have Hewett as well.

I know the stakes are much much higher this year. Just remember it’s not all Brander. Splits can be good.

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Hewett

 

[eaglesnutcase]

McKercher looks very good. He will be a good solid player in the future.
Reid on the other hand could be a great.
He has X factor and looks to make things happen whenever he is near the ball. Definitely has a presence and aura about him that others don't.

Using the most common comparisons floating around, who would you choose out of Zerrett or Dusty?
Merrett is a good ball winning mid. Has an inside / outside game and is a good user of the ball. Captain of Essendon, All Australian and is a consistent 25+ possession getter.
Dusty on the other hand can float in and out of games and can have impact without the huge possession numbers. However, he is an out and out match winner that can drag a team over the line. Has polish inside 50 and can beat nearly anyone 1v1. Future HOF and one of the all time best players in the AFL era.

All other things being equal how much extra would it take to trade Dusty for Merrett? Another top 5-10 pick? 2 top 10 picks? More?
Even though Merrett is the better midfielder would you trade Dusty for Merrett and pick 3?

Theres no way we take McKercher @ 1 btw

Well said.Why cant people see what is so glaringly obvious.Too many people on here are obsessed by numbers.At the Combine he didnt test but the other draftees all appeared to be a little star struck around him. Mckercher will be a fine footballer but cheese and chalk.

 

[Obeanie1]

Crows 10, 14 and F1 would be very tempting for our F1 if the Eagles wanted to stock up this season.

We could throw in 37 and 58 if needed if the plan is 4 live picks and keep one spot open for any academy bid.

1, 10, 14, 23 and 81 for any late bids.

 

[stallon]

In all seriousness tho we knocked back 4, future first (hawks) and brockman how does 2 and 15/17/18 even come close to that….

ROB did say he thinks the draft is pretty even, what if he does think pick 2 + 2 of the north picks in the teens is better than the Hawks offer?
He could see a much more even field from picks 4-20something than most, or he could see Mckercher as very close to Reid and much better than pick 4
Assuming North take Mckercher and Duursma, who do we even take at 4? Curtin? Sanders? I think we may be underutilising pick 4 a little bit.
Mckercher + 2 guys end of 1st round vs Curtin/Sanders/?? + Hawks f1 + Brockman(who we could have got for free) which could easily be closer to pick 8-10, id take the North offer every time

Whether its enough I dont think it is, but I dont rate the Hawks offer that highly

 

[Obeanie1]

I would want at least both their own and the Doggies F2 back from the Crows. I believe the other clubs will see it as a risk but a likely top 3 pick, if not pick 1

Something like F1 (1) and F3 (38) for 10, 14, 2 x F2 around 30.

More importantly, what would 10 and what would 14 get us?

10 likely gets Murphy (who I rate and you would need to get in before Swans)
14 likely gets one of Collard, Tholstrup, Hardeman, Charlie Edwards

That seems a underwhelming when I think we get one of Smillie, O'Sullivan, Jagga or Draper next year.

Feel we will split either this years or next years 1st to help the rebuild.

So which one?

 

[Jukes]

It does feel like Jay Clark has an “insider” within the Eagles where he gets his information. Especially for him to double down on it.

However, as much as I’d love to froth from every orifice, you could say Sam McClure has an “insider” as he double down on his claim as well.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

Geez: splitting last year work out really well for us so lets split every year from now on whenever we have a high pick. What could go wrong????

 

[ep2018]

It does feel like Jay Clark has an “insider” within the Eagles where he gets his information. Especially for him to double down on it.

However, as much as I’d love to froth from every orifice, you could say Sam McClure has an “insider” as he double down on his claim as well.

Sam McClure and Harley Reid have the same manager I believe, there was definitely a reason why McClure said what he said the other week.

 

[bzparkes]

Sam McClure and Harley Reid have the same manager I believe, there was definitely a reason why McClure said what he said the other week.

You think Sam McClure uses a player manager?

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Predicting a first up derby next season, not entirely against that. Week 1 is usually were teams are at their most vulnerable, Fremantle will be under a lot of pressure. I realize they are in a much better position than us but if our missing players from last year can get some form we could give them a scare.

 

[Jupes]

This masthead revealed West Coast would consider a swap for North’s picks two and three for pick one.

ban jay clark

 

[Phas]

Predicting a first up derby next season, not entirely against that. Week 1 is usually were teams are at their most vulnerable, Fremantle will be under a lot of pressure. I realize they are in a much better position than us but if our missing players from last year can get some form we could give them a scare.

I reckon the first match for WC will be against Norf. Absolute classic stitch up from the vAFL campaigners incoming.

 

[Mop]

Not the year for it. Made complete sense last year. Makes absolutely no sense splitting this year.

Unfortunately it does though - because the AFL’s system diluted our natural hand.
A pick that’ll end up being 30 as the last placed club’s second pick is shit.

I’m starting to think the club’s approach is more quality over quantity than mine though. Fair enough

I thought a deal would be done up until this point - genuinely.

Now.. nah maybe not.

 

[Phas]

Learn to read.

10, 14 PLUS Crows F1st

For Eagles F1st is what was posted. So your math assumption has missed the Crows F1st.

Now in all likelihood Eagles would also add 2023 picks 37 and 58 that are surplus. Crows land Draper in 2024 who they are very keen on. Crows end up with picks 20, 37 and 58 for this years draft. And likely a top 2 pick in 2024.

Feel free to redo the math and come back with any questions.

It could end up:

WC giving up: 37, 58, 81, F1(4)
Ade giving up: 10, 14, F1(12)

So, 4, 37, 58 for 10, 12, 14.

On paper it looks amazing, but who actually knows if we would get anything from doing that trade other than picking up "good" roleplayers in that band.

At least with a top 4 you can generally get a Bont, Petracca, Judd, Hodge, Ball, Riewoldt etc. Yes, there's still luck involved ala Morabito, but you get a better crack at it.

Edit. It could also end up as:
WC giving up: 37, 58, 81, F1(1)
Ade giving up: 10, 14, F1(18)

Not tasty at all.

 

[wirra44]

Not happening

2 and 15

Or we take our 5 first rounders to the draft

We’ve had eagles fans come over spreading there’s which we have tolerated for now

So potentially pick 1 next year for two first rounders this year

But this years pick 1 you have a higher price?

Math ain’t mathing here

Disagree I’d take it
And get the next best kid plus another first rounder

Do we seriously have to put up with this whinge whiney trash on our board?

 

[MrWoollie]

We’ve already mentioned we are only going to move 2 picks for higher picks and no it’s not 2 and 3. The Delistings just emphasise we aren’t moving more than that

2 and 15 will be our best offer otherwise we are going to the draft with the 5 firsts to fill the list spots

But if you take it then we’ll use pick 57 also

Well it isn't gonna happen then is it?
Pick 4 + pick 4ish + pick 37 (Price of Brockman) is a far superior offer to 2 + 15 and it wasn't good enough.

 

[Mop]

Disagree I’d take it
And get the next best kid plus another first rounder

No you bloody wouldn’t.

 

[WCE_phil]

2,15,18 and their future first for 1, 23 and our future second. Go to the draft with 2,15,18 and 37 this year. Go to the draft next with with in reality at worst pick 2 and pick 4. But could well be 1,2. Add McKercher this year, Smith and O'Sullivan next year as mids and the midfield is done. 15,18 and 37 this year get us what is likely Hardeman, the clubs seems to have a ****ing hard on for him (I disagree and think his best is a similar level to Duggan) and 2 quality KPP prospects.

Next years top end looks much better and in particular the mids look better but doesn't have the depth in talls and imo the overall depth. It is also at least as heavily compromised as this one.

But then my personal draft board now goes 1.Walter 2.McKercher 3.Reid 4.Duursma 5.Read 6.O'Sullivan 7.Curtin 8.Sanders 9.Croft 10.Murphy 11.Caddy 12.Watson 13.Roberts 14.Wilson 15.Charlie Edwards

That will be greatly different to other peoples boards, my club board and other club boards. My board only goes to 30 and I think people would be shocked with who isn't on there and who is.

But i'm not a big swinging dick media type and don't have a Victorian media agenda or a hard on for Reid. A player with subpar aerobic conditioning, man strength against boys and struggles to transition the ball whilst also not having burst speed.

Will post this in other threads.

 

[MrWoollie]

Wasn’t talking them up, just stating facts to refute some drivel

While inflating the numbers with games where the big Melbourne teams away supporter numbers dwarf yours.

And you can't just pretend that the Hobart games don't happen and therefore aren't counted.

 

[Peptide Pig]

I can’t see Norf taking two interstate boys (McKercher/Curtin) after losing JHF. Their safest bet is VIC metro boys and next years draft is stacked with them. Not sure McKercher would be their top target anyway given the midfield is not their greatest need.

North give: pick 3, 18
WC give: F1 (pick 1-2), 23

I think there is a legit chance Curtin slides to around pick 10, in which case..

WC give: pick 18, F2 (pick 19-20), F3
Ade give: 10, F3 (they need future upgrades for Welsh)

To get ahead of Freo for Collard

WC give: pick 37, 58
GC give: pick 32

1: Reid
3: McKercher
10: Curtin
32: Collard
81: NGA

If Curtin is taken early then we keep pick 18 and F2.

Throw SPS a rookie spot. Take Sharp and Hately in PSD or rookie draft to fill remaining list spots.

2024
Should land an end of R1 or early R2 priority pick. Only retirement will be Gaff. Possibly get English as a free agent.

2025
Gov, Darling and Cripps retire. Target Sam Taylor

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as a free agent.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Interesting that it’s Jay Clark again who was the one who first wrote that we were asking for 2 and 3

It also seems like he forgot to finish the article as he raised the prospect of Melbourne getting involved but doesn’t expand on how

Main takeaways are that we need more than one single digit pick rather than multiple picks in the teens and that clubs aren’t impressed with picks outside the top 10. Also raises Norths F1 as a possible trade chip

I think Melbourne have landed just outside their desired hitting zone but where Curtin may land.

Norf trade pick 3 to Dees in return for 6 and 11. A high price yes but that is what it costs at the pointy end.
With 3, Melbourne get the choice of Duursma or Watson.

Norf then offer up 2, 6 and 18 for pick 1.
That gets Eagles McKercher at 2, Curtin at 6 and Charlie Edwards or similar at 18 and then Goad/Zakostelsky/etc at 23!!!!

That leaves Norf with 1 (Harley), 11 Murphy, 15 a running half back/outside mid, 17 Schoenmaker


I would still take Harley but it gives more of the context behind the post

 

[Mop]

2,15,18 and their future first for 1, 23 and our future second. Go to the draft with 2,15,18 and 37 this year. Go to the draft next with with in reality at worst pick 2 and pick 4. But could well be 1,2. Add McKercher this year, Smith and O'Sullivan next year as mids and the midfield is done. 15,18 and 37 this year get us what is likely Hardeman, the clubs seems to have a ******* hard on for him (I disagree and think his best is a similar level to Duggan) and 2 quality KPP prospects.

Next years top end looks much better and in particular the mids look better but doesn't have the depth in talls and imo the overall depth. It is also at least as heavily compromised as this one.

But then my personal draft board now goes 1.Walter 2.McKercher 3.Reid 4.Duursma 5.Read 6.O'Sullivan 7.Curtin 8.Sanders 9.Croft 10.Murphy 11.Caddy 12.Watson 13.Roberts 14.Wilson 15.Charlie Edwards

That will be greatly different to other peoples boards, my club board and other club boards. My board only goes to 30 and I think people would be shocked with who isn't on there and who is.

But i'm not a big swinging dick media type and don't have a Victorian media agenda or a hard on for Reid. A player with subpar aerobic conditioning, man strength against boys and struggles to transition the ball whilst also not having burst speed.

Will post this in other threads.

Hi Phil I hope you’re feeling better than you were last week.

A question. Moir. Is he on your board? I know he had a horrible season. I vaguely remember you saying you weren’t confident he’d be drafted but it’s been a long time since then and I could’ve got it wrong

 

[Barrybran]

You think 3 plus Norths F1st (1-4) would get it done?

I can already hear fans in both camps not liking that outcome AT ALL!

Im not sure myself who wins that trade.

Which is one indicator its close to the mark.

Who do we take at 3? Or do we attempt to split it further?