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List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread III

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Zebrah said:
2012

15: Taylor Garner
17: Josh Simpson
18: Brodie Grundy

2013

15: Zac Jones
17: Matthew Appeness
18: Luke Dunstan

2014

15: Jarrod Garlett
17: Kyle Langford
18: Isaac Heeney

2015

15: Daniel Rioli
17: Tom Doedee
18: Jade Gresham

2016

15: Jordan Gallucci
17: Jarrod Berry
18: Sam Powell-Pepper

2017

15: Zac Bailey
17: Jack Higgins
18: Brandon Starcevich

2018

15: Jordan Clark
17: Sam Stuey
18: Xavier Duursma

2019

15: Cody Weightman
17: Brodie Kemp
18: Mitch Georgiardes

2020

15: Conor Stone
17: Oliver Henry
18: Ryan Angwin

2021

15: Leek Aleer
17: Tom Brown
18: Angus Sheldrick

2022

15: Mathew Jefferson
17: Max Michalanney
18: Joshua Weddle
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Nice job.

What this data shows is that if you have 3 picks in this area of the draft you are a good chance to get one very good player, one good player and one bust.

Given we will attract 2 guns at 2 and 3 we then can pick up another 2 best 22 players if we keep our current draft hand.

This is the best option for us.
 

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shimaburnsgrieg said:
Nice job.

What this data shows is that if you have 3 picks in this area of the draft you are a good chance to get one very good player, one good player and one bust.

Given we will attract 2 guns at 2 and 3 we then can pick up another 2 best 22 players if we keep our current draft hand.

This is the best option for us.
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Yep, agreed. It’s a wrap, see you draft night 2,3,15,17. & 18
 
Mop said:
Did you miss the part where 2 and two late firsts was already offered and rejected? Get out of fairyland.
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I think he's just pointing out that we supporters on here don't really want pick one if its gonna cost more than 3 and 18.

We get more benefit from five first round picks than we do from giving them to you lot for pick one.
 
I did a similar post to Zebrah on the MB:

Original Offer of 2+15(20)+17(22) for 1+23(27):

2022 Will Ashcroft + Jacob Konstanty & Max Gruzewski for Aaron Cadman + Cooper Vickery
2021 Sam Darcy + Kai Lohman & Josh Goater for Jason Horne Francis + Jesse Motlop
2020 Riley Thilthorpe + Max Holmes & Bailey Laurie for Jamara Ugle-Hagan + Nathan O’Driscoll
2019 Noah Anderson + Sam Philp & Deven Robertson for Matt Rowell + Jeremy Sharp
2018 Jack Lukosius + Riley Collier-Dawkins & Xavier O'Halloran for Sam Walsh + Tom Sparrow
2017 Andrew Brayshaw + Callum Coleman Jones & Lachlan Fogarty for Cam Rayner + Brent Daniels
2016 Tim Taranto + Isaac Cumming & Jordan Ridley for Andrew McGarth + Zac Fisher
2015 Josh Schache + Brayden Fiorini & Kieran Lovell for Jacob Weitering + Darcy Tucker
2014 Christian Petracca + Jayden Leverde & Daniel McKenzie for Paddy McCartin + Lucas Webb

And with PMBanger's list McKercher + Archie Roberts & Luamon Leal for Harley Reid + Will Green
 
Zebrah said:
2012

2: Jonathon O’Rourke
17: Josh Simpson
18: Brodie Grundy

For

1: Lachie Whitfield

2013

2: Josh Kelly
17: Matthew Appeness
18: Luke Dunstan

For

1: Tom Boyd

2014

2: Christain Petracca
17: Kyle Langford
18: Isaac Heeney

For

1: Patrick McCartin

2015

2: Josh Schache
17: Tom Doedee
18: Jade Gresham

For

1: Jacob Weitering

2016

2: Tim Taranto
17: Jarrod Berry
18: Sam Powell-Pepper

For

1: Andrew McGrath

2017

2: Andrew Brayshaw
17: Jack Higgins
18: Brandon Starcevich

For

1: Cam Rayner


2018

2: Jack Lukosius
17: Sam Stuey
18: Xavier Duursma

For

1: Sam Walsh

2019

2: Noah Anderson
17: Brodie Kemp
18: Mitch Georgiardes

For

1: Matt Rowell

2020

2: Riley Thilthorpe
17: Oliver Henry
18: Ryan Angwin

For

1: Jamara Ugle-Hagan

2021

2: Sam Darcy
17: Tom Brown
18: Angus Sheldrick

For

1: Jason Horne-Francis

2022

2: Will Ashcroft
17: Max Michalanney
18: Joshua Weddle

For

1: Aaron Cadman
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2012 is a close one but Grundy probably means no trade.
2013 I would do that trade for Boyd as he won a premiership off his own boot.
2014 no way.
2015 yes I would trade those 3 for Weitering.
2016 no trade
2017 no trade
2018 would trade those 3 for Walsh
2019 no trade
2020 would trade those 3 for JUH
2021 would trade those 3 for JHF if it was on talent alone
2022 no trade
 
Psicosis said:
Why are you saying it was rejected?

Twomey said today neither deal was actually rejected. WC are waiting to see if they get more.
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I can only base it off what was reported.

Mitch Woodcock, the West

“North Melbourne have reportedly put an offer to West Coast, offering up pick No.2, as well as two of their three picks in the teens for this year (15, 17 and 18) for picks No.1 and 23 — a trade deemed not enough”

Irrespective, it still proves my point that 3 and 18 isn’t even close. I think you lads know that too.
 
ohmygewd said:
Yeah l just unwatched that thread...not worth getting worked up on posters who are so blinded that nothing any NM poster can say would even come close to a fair discussion.
I think it was Mop...an echo chamber - it should be moved into their club page

I mean l just read that they'll get a better compo package if they have one more bad year along the lines of 1,2,21,22....richest club yeah, never asked for hand outs yeah...one can only laugh at fools.
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100% it’s an echo chamber at times. Does my head in to be honest
 
Anyway, last one for the night and you be the judge whether NM's offer of 2+15+17 for 1+23 would be worth it looking back over 9 drafts

2014 - Christian Petracca, Jarrod Garlett + Kyle Langford for Paddy McCartin + Patrick McKenna

2015 - Josh Schache, Daniel Rioli + Tom Doedee for Jacob Weitering + David Cuningham

2016 - Tim Taranto, Jordan Gallucci + Jarrod Berry for Andrew McGrath + Alex Witherden

2017 - Andrew Brayshaw, Zac Bailey + Jack Higgins for Cam Rayner + Will Walker

2018 - Jack Lukosius, Jordan Clark + Sam Sturt for Sam Walsh + Jez McLennan

2019 - Noah Anderson, Cody Weightman + Brodie Kemp for Matt Rowell + Dylan Williams

2020 - Riley Thilthorpe, Conor Stone + Oliver Henry for Jamarra Ugle-Hagan + Reef McInnes

2021 - Sam Darcy, Leek Aleer + Tom Brown for Jason Horne-Francis + Sam Butler

2022 - Will Ashcroft, Matthew Jefferson + Max Michalanney for Aaron Cadman + Harry Barnett

PMBangers 2023 (if l took the tied boys out) - Colby McKercher, Harry Demattia+ Archie Roberts for Harley Reid + Angus Hastie
 
Shinboner1 said:
That's not happening mate.
We spent the trade period getting out of picks in the teens, not about to go back there.
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I hope so as it don’t like it, it was more what I think might happen…


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Mop said:
I can only base it off what was reported.

Mitch Woodcock, the West

“North Melbourne have reportedly put an offer to West Coast, offering up pick No.2, as well as two of their three picks in the teens for this year (15, 17 and 18) for picks No.1 and 23 — a trade deemed not enough”

Irrespective, it still proves my point that 3 and 18 isn’t even close. I think you lads know that too.
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Your point is proven “at this stage”.

All clubs are playing hard ball because they have time and want their members to think/ know they are trying to get the most for their club.

North tends to work in good faith( much to our frustration at times) so if a deal is done , there will be a win/ win exchange of picks.

My personal feeling is that we will add our future first into the mix to get a deal done as I believe WC want a trade badly and North want Reid badly so it will happen.
 

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DocSholl said:
I think there's probably a level of cognitive bias after winning the last game. I'm also not a draft watcher but if there wasn't much of a gap then I can't see why we'd make meaningful attempts to get pick 1, given our current hand.
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He is obviously the stand out best talent at this point, nobody is downplaying anything. The issue isn't is he good enough to target, the issue is what it would cost to get him. It cost GWS pick 12 to move from 3 to 1 last year, it is magnitudes more expensive this year.

The question is can you justify spending whatever it is they want to get pick 1 when you have just delisted 13 players after the fourth year in a row being uncompetitive with more potatoes for next year and we have had to get a swag of charity to make the team remotely competitive. Is spending that justifiable and that is the question that is plaguing the negative Nancies.

I get we all want to build a premiership team but we have major deficiencies on every line. Is it justifiable to spend a big chunk of what we have to upgrade from whomever to Reid? Perhaps it is, but to suggest nobody should have some doubts is Kool-Aid level of optimism.
 
The Y Factor said:
Your point is proven “at this stage”.

All clubs are playing hard ball because they have time and want their members to think/ know they are trying to get the most for their club.

North tends to work in good faith( much to our frustration at times) so if a deal is done , there will be a win/ win exchange of picks.

My personal feeling is that we will add our future first into the mix to get a deal done as I believe WC want a trade badly and North want Reid badly so it will happen.
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If we add our future 1st into the mix we may as well offer them 2 and 3 into this year's mix because the odds are against us getting out of the bottom three next year. That type of offer should be a sackable offence for Brady and whoever else is involved in making a decision like that. We'd be giving up practically everything to get perhaps the 2nd best player in the draft after Walter.
 
Zebrah said:
2012

15: Taylor Garner
17: Josh Simpson
18: Brodie Grundy

2013

15: Zac Jones
17: Matthew Appeness
18: Luke Dunstan

2014

15: Jarrod Garlett
17: Kyle Langford
18: Isaac Heeney

2015

15: Daniel Rioli
17: Tom Doedee
18: Jade Gresham

2016

15: Jordan Gallucci
17: Jarrod Berry
18: Sam Powell-Pepper

2017

15: Zac Bailey
17: Jack Higgins
18: Brandon Starcevich

2018

15: Jordan Clark
17: Sam Stuey
18: Xavier Duursma

2019

15: Cody Weightman
17: Brodie Kemp
18: Mitch Georgiardes

2020

15: Conor Stone
17: Oliver Henry
18: Ryan Angwin

2021

15: Leek Aleer
17: Tom Brown
18: Angus Sheldrick

2022

15: Mathew Jefferson
17: Max Michalanney
18: Joshua Weddle
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How about you do the analysis for picks 20, 22 and 23!

The picks on offer need to be pushed back 5 places as Walter, Read, Rogers, Croft and McCabe are all predicted to go before pick 15. In comparison, pick 1 will be for the best player in the draft. There is no Daicos or Ashcroft robbing pick 1 this year.
 
Tas said:
He is obviously the stand out best talent at this point, nobody is downplaying anything. The issue isn't is he good enough to target, the issue is what it would cost to get him. It cost GWS pick 12 to move from 3 to 1 last year, it is magnitudes more expensive this year.

The question is can you justify spending whatever it is they want to get pick 1 when you have just delisted 13 players after the fourth year in a row being uncompetitive with more potatoes for next year and we have had to get a swag of charity to make the team remotely competitive. Is spending that justifiable and that is the question that is plaguing the negative Nancies.

I get we all want to build a premiership team but we have major deficiencies on every line. Is it justifiable to spend a big chunk of what we have to upgrade from whomever to Reid? Perhaps it is, but to suggest nobody should have some doubts is Kool-Aid level of optimism.
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Has the AFL come to us and said here is your draft concessions now you have to use most of them to get Ried. Gotta love a good conspiracy theory.
 
DocSholl said:
I think there's probably a level of cognitive bias after winning the last game. I'm also not a draft watcher but if there wasn't much of a gap then I can't see why we'd make meaningful attempts to get pick 1, given our current hand.
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Melbourne have offered their whole draft hand and the best part of next year's, Hawthorn two pointy end firsts and we're into him hard. And these are just the bids we know of.

Would suggest he's rated pretty high by those that matter.

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Mop said:
I can only base it off what was reported.

Mitch Woodcock, the West

“North Melbourne have reportedly put an offer to West Coast, offering up pick No.2, as well as two of their three picks in the teens for this year (15, 17 and 18) for picks No.1 and 23 — a trade deemed not enough”

Irrespective, it still proves my point that 3 and 18 isn’t even close. I think you lads know that too.
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I don’t read that and say conclusively that anything was rejected. WC would be stupid to do a deal yet.
 
Zebrah said:
2012

15: Taylor Garner
17: Josh Simpson
18: Brodie Grundy

2013

15: Zac Jones
17: Matthew Appeness
18: Luke Dunstan

2014

15: Jarrod Garlett
17: Kyle Langford
18: Isaac Heeney

2015

15: Daniel Rioli
17: Tom Doedee
18: Jade Gresham

2016

15: Jordan Gallucci
17: Jarrod Berry
18: Sam Powell-Pepper

2017

15: Zac Bailey
17: Jack Higgins
18: Brandon Starcevich

2018

15: Jordan Clark
17: Sam Stuey
18: Xavier Duursma

2019

15: Cody Weightman
17: Brodie Kemp
18: Mitch Georgiardes

2020

15: Conor Stone
17: Oliver Henry
18: Ryan Angwin

2021

15: Leek Aleer
17: Tom Brown
18: Angus Sheldrick

2022

15: Mathew Jefferson
17: Max Michalanney
18: Joshua Weddle
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing! We aren't saying you can't pick up quality it's just more of a lottery than the top ten and easy to do after a few ssns


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The Warlord said:
The "super admin" is a West Coast Bay 13 nuff who posts "It's a troll but I'll allow" it in main board threads when one of their little dork mates makes a typical hur hur Tassie Roos post, what can you expect.

Is why I chose just to stay here, we big beasts terrify the townsfolk, best we stay in our dark corner of the forest
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You spelled incel wrong.
 
Tas said:
He is obviously the stand out best talent at this point, nobody is downplaying anything. The issue isn't is he good enough to target, the issue is what it would cost to get him. It cost GWS pick 12 to move from 3 to 1 last year, it is magnitudes more expensive this year.

The question is can you justify spending whatever it is they want to get pick 1 when you have just delisted 13 players after the fourth year in a row being uncompetitive with more potatoes for next year and we have had to get a swag of charity to make the team remotely competitive. Is spending that justifiable and that is the question that is plaguing the negative Nancies.

I get we all want to build a premiership team but we have major deficiencies on every line. Is it justifiable to spend a big chunk of what we have to upgrade from whomever to Reid? Perhaps it is, but to suggest nobody should have some doubts is Kool-Aid level of optimism.
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You say nobody is downplaying anything... think the complete opposite is true. It's a fact majorly ignored by a lot on here who don't understand why North would do it. It's hard to understand without the research the club would have done, so we sit back and see how it folds out


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Masked Avenger said:
It's bad enough that our Club is going to do something dumb with our draft haul to get Reid but when one of our bravest warriors comes back from the main board cowered and defeated like you War Chief that's surely the last straw.

C'est la guerre
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Oh dear...


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