The Liberal Party - How long? - Part 2

[The Cryptkeeper]

Growing a beard to hide his lack of a chin is the high point of his career in Canberra thus far.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Can you imagine the level of amplification this would receive if it was the ALP?

While I see your point and agree with it, at some point you have to ask what the ALP plan to do about the media that is inherently biased against them. Given they have a lower house majority and can get an upper house majority if they get the Greens and either Lambie or Pocock onside, they have the power to legally pass higher standards for journalism in this country. Personally I'd like to see the media empires broken up and forced to change to employee ownership and control rather than shareholder ownership and control, but Labor will never do that, because despite the claims of Labor Left to be socialist, they really like corporate donations.

James Paterson and Simon Birmingham are both in the wrong house. If they were in the lower house they would be alternatives. Paterson is quite impressive.

What makes Paterson impressive?

Hastie will never be leader unless he moves East.

Realistically that is true, but it's a pity for the Liberals, because they really need a boost in WA. They don't have a path back to power at state level, and WA is basically what gave Labor majority government federally. The home state leadership factor helped Labor in the worst state for them, Queensland, and it could similarly help the Liberals in WA.

 

[western royboy]

Patterson!!!! Impressive!!!!!
In the one sentence!!!

I would have said Leeser. But he burnt his bridges internally. Archer too.

Very few non NSW/Vic Liberal leaders. Before Dutton, is it just Downer?

The path for Hastie is remote. The time difference for East Coast morning TV/radio would be difficult. And that he is in the same faction as Dutton, Dutton would need to stand down for Hastie to become an option. If that was the case, the party would be more inclined to select Wolahan.

There is no one else. Even their announced candidates for the next election do not ooze leadership.

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Lesser is unelectable on a number of fronts

 

[peetoo]

While people on the left might feel more media is biased against them, for me the bigger problem is the fringes on both sides getting more airtime and the centre drowned out

Take the power event in Victoria last week. All sorts of claims and sneering counter claims. The problem seems to be transmission infrastructure….but wasn’t privatisation supposed to fix that?

 

[blueboy25]

While people on the left might feel more media is biased against them, for me the bigger problem is the fringes on both sides getting more airtime and the centre drowned out

Take the power event in Victoria last week. All sorts of claims and sneering counter claims. The problem seems to be transmission infrastructure….but wasn’t privatisation supposed to fix that?

Jeff Kennett won't take any blame for that......its all Dan Andrews fault

 

[Bont2Bruce]

Lesser is unelectable on a number of fronts

I remember the same once being said of Tony Abbott, and then he won an election.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

I remember the same once being said of Tony Abbott, and then he won an election.

And Howard

 

[Festerz]

 

[blueboy25]

I thought that was Brian Mannix

 

[geoffjennings79]

I thought that was Brian Mannix

Pomeranz AND Mannix!

She thinks she's Morgana Robinson!

 

[Gough]

I thought it was more Robin Askwith.

 

[The Punter]

Julie Bishop is a Liberal - her appearance is fair game.

 

[Gough]

Julie Bishop is a Liberal - her appearance is fair game.

Bad hair cut is a bad hair cut.

 

[kalex6251]

bishop aggressively went after gillard after she did a few glossy mag photo spreads back in the day ..... far as im concerned bishop opened the door on personal attacks sooooo........

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Julie Bishop is a Liberal - her appearance is fair game.

It sounds like you are describing poultry. Very clever.

 

[The Punter]

bishop aggressively went after gillard after she did a few glossy mag photo spreads back in the day ..... far as im concerned bishop opened the door on personal attacks sooooo........

So personal attacks are OK as long as the other person started it? I just want to know what the rules are in case I want to point out that Bill Shorten has been wearing clothes two sizes too big for 20 years...

 

[western royboy]

So personal attacks are OK as long as the other person started it? I just want to know what the rules are in case I want to point out that Bill Shorten has been wearing clothes two sizes too big for 20 years...

You really want to go down this track after the attacks on Gillard?

 

[Gough]

You really want to go down this track after the attacks on Gillard?

It's this weird kink with the modern conservative, they constantly expect people to be better humans than they are.

 

[Saint]

While people on the left might feel more media is biased against them, for me the bigger problem is the fringes on both sides getting more airtime and the centre drowned out

Take the power event in Victoria last week. All sorts of claims and sneering counter claims. The problem seems to be transmission infrastructure….but wasn’t privatisation supposed to fix that?

The problem was localised transmission infrastructure. The cost to underground all the poles and wires that went down around my place in the Dandenongs would be a 2-decade project costing billions. The large transmission towers going down actually had minimal impact as there was heaps of capacity in the rest of the transmission towers.

You wouldn't know that from the media posting pictures of transmission towers down as if it brought the whole system down.

It was a renewables hit-job which was actually quite annoying as they weren't even talking about matters which would actually affect the disruption to power of people in the hills who were mostly affected longest.

The saddest part about the media is the predictability.

Natural Disaster happens (actually it was just a big storm and only 3rd biggest in the last 5 years in the Hills.).

Media splinters into 2 camps
"see, climate change, it's all the car/coal station's fault"
"we need more old infrastructure, not fancy new stuff, renwables is ruining the world"

ABC: Let's host both sides of the debate to yell at each other about the nonsense arguments they've both framed.

There's no room left for an adult debate about the real issue which is "should we underground more power in susceptible areas like the hills to prevent bushfires and large-scale outages?". A sensible adult debate doesn't sell papers any more and the ABC spends all its time amplifying stupid ideas from "both sides".

They mean both extremes, not the people in the middle who matter.

 

[Saint]

You really want to go down this track after the attacks on Gillard?

It's just what progressives have always had to put up with. If you want progress, and to criticise the ways of the past, you have to put up with the type of garbage you're fighting against without sinking to that level.

I think accusing Bishop of using asbestos spray to keep her hair in place would be within the bounds of acceptable, since she fought so strongly to deny asbestos victims justice.

Or even pointing out that she's the best politician in the LNP not to get the leadership in the time of terrible leaders. And that's probably entirely due to the fact that she's female.

2024 and they've never had a female leader..........just never had anyone capable, I suppose......that or they're sexist. Not sure which one is a greater indictment.

 

[The Punter]

It's this weird kink with the modern conservative, they constantly expect people to be better humans than they are.

Are there any modern conservatives, or any other conservatives, in this thread?

The discussion of Gillard's appearance was offensive at the time and is still now.

Also, pretty much every economic system other than capitalism expects people to be better humans than they actually are.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

So personal attacks are OK as long as the other person started it? I just want to know what the rules are in case I want to point out that Bill Shorten has been wearing clothes two sizes too big for 20 years...

I’d suggest Bill Shorten is more relevant to a labor or fashion themed thread.

 

[kalex6251]

So personal attacks are OK as long as the other person started it? I just want to know what the rules are in case I want to point out that Bill Shorten has been wearing clothes two sizes too big for 20 years...

you prepared to condemn bishop?

 

[The Punter]

you prepared to condemn bishop?

Julie Bishop should not have made comments about Julia Gillard's appearance.

 

[kalex6251]

and yet she did - willingly ...... and here we are