List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management discussion

[KissKiss]

With the recent rise in Salary cap, I would be surprised if any club has immediate salary cap concerns.
A couple of year might be a different story though.

Kinda depends, lots of talk of clubs having contracts built in to autoscale up to the rises. If that's so then a cap rise wouldnt actually bring any relief

 

[Nickimus Rex]

Anyone else catch the numbers from the "Touring the Den"? Sorry if it has been posted

Logan Morris - 13 (old T Bez)
ZZ - 21
Luke Lloyd - 19
Reece Torrent - 36 (old Matho)
Bruce Reville - 38

Presuming this leaves 10 open for Levi next season?

 

[Pride of lions]

Anyone else catch the numbers from the "Touring the Den"? Sorry if it has been posted

Logan Morris - 13 (old T Bez)
ZZ - 21
Luke Lloyd - 19
Reece Torrent - 36 (old Matho)
Bruce Reville - 38

Presuming this leaves 10 open for Levi next season?

I wonder why no one has taken 24,(assuming that Doedee takes 12).

 

[Nathan Barley]

I wonder why no one has taken 24,(assuming that Doedee takes 12).

I thought Ryan had

 

[Section 5]

I wonder if Levi has a run in the reserves whether they’ll let him wear the 10 given no one else wears it. If memory serves Will wore 38 in his appearances.

I think anyone outside the list just gets a reserve number for any trial games.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

I think anyone outside the list just gets a reserve number for any trial games.

Personally would be 69 if I had to decide

 

[Pride of lions]

I thought Ryan had

Thanks,I wasn’t aware of that.

 

[Berrygood]

About our salary cap and the future, as said earlier we do have ageing players that will retire over the next few years or will be delisted. Zorko, Lyons, Charlie, Linc, Joe, even Neale, some big cash in that lot. And we also have a lot of young lads, draftees that would be on the minimum or near to it. It will balance out as time goes on. I think we will be able to hold on to Clugg, Kiddy, Ashy etc over the long term. It was very wise, I think, to go to the draft to fill vacancies rather than pick up delisted players wanting more than the minimum a draftee gets.

 

[briztoon]

Any interest in Cam Zurhaar as a free agent at the end of the year?

 

[M Malice]

Any interest in Cam Zurhaar as a free agent at the end of the year?

I quite like Zurhaar, I am not a big one for stats, prefer to go the eye test but I just compared his career stats averages to Cam Rayner who you think he would be competing with for a spot as the 3rd tall type.

Disposals- Rayner 12.5, Zurhaar 12.1.
Goals- Zurhaar 1.3, Rayner .9.
Marks- Zurhaar 3.3, Rayner 3.2.
Tackles- Zurhaar 2.5, Rayner 2.4.
Effective disposals- Rayner 70.4%, Zurhaar 66.1%.

Rayner is just in front in contested possessions and uncontested possessions.

I'd be a no as we also have Luke Lloyd and Logan Morris coming through who could play a similar role in the future.

 

[trikster]

Any interest in Cam Zurhaar as a free agent at the end of the year?

Not with Dizzy Gardner our new secret weapon forward

 

[Morbidly_Obese]

Any interest in Cam Zurhaar as a free agent at the end of the year?

I can't tell if you're joking or not.

 

[FFB1]

 

[tony]

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Thanks to FFB1 for the article. This might be a bit more easier for some people to read, plus there is some extra bits in the online version.

Brisbane vice-captain McCluggage has declared his intention to sign a new long-term deal at the Lions as his management brokers a contract to turn him into a Lion for life.

McCluggage is on par with Western Bulldogs ruckman Tim English as footy’s most in-demand free agent given five consecutive top-three finishes in the club’s best-and-fairest award.

McCluggage told this masthead he had no time frame on a signature as his manager David Trotter works through a new deal.

But he said it was important to make clear his preferred outcome to his teammates as they chase an elusive premiership.

“Myself and the club are comfortable with where it’s sitting. ‘Trotts’ is working through it with the club. I love it here. I was lucky to come along and see the turnaround and be at a club that has consistently pushed for finals and I have done a lot of hard work to play my part so I am really happy with where we sit and I have got my life set up here quite well.

“It is important to (state my intention to stay). The boys always ask you the question with subtle digs. We want to keep good people around and they are in the same boat with me. So yeah, I definitely want it to happen but it’s definitely a business so you have to make sure you do your due diligence and get the best possible result for both the club and yourself personally.”

McCluggage turns 26 in March so a deal as long as six seasons on around $1 million a season would only expire as he plays football as a 32-year-old.

“I don’t have too much involvement in it. I am proud I have got to the point in my career where I can hopefully sign a long-term deal. I have done a lot of work to get to that point and it would be enjoyable to sit here knowing I have that security. It’s one of those things that will get done and then I can continue on my way with my career,” he said.

A GROWTH MINDSET

That new contract will almost certainly cement South Warrnambool product McCluggage as a one-club player at Brisbane with a healthy respect for the code’s challenges in Queensland.

He is fiercely defensive of the northern states academies and father-son bidding that will secure the club likely top-five pick Levi Ashcroft, brother of Will, this upcoming draft.

And the new AFL Auskick ambassador believes the league’s new $1 billion investment over the next decade in game development and community football is a price worth paying.

The league’s aim is to sign up kids for 140,000 Auskick this year.

Last year’s 30,000 Auskickers in Queensland was a new record, with this year’s figures up 14 per cent amid a goal for 35 per cent of the state’s participants to be girls.

“Growing up in country Victoria you don’t have to put as much time into getting kids into footy and in Queensland here I have been lucky enough to be part of a club that has helped build and promote footy. I learnt a lot of life lessons through junior footy and was lucky enough to be involved at South Warrnambool so this helps make sure kids get the opportunity I did.”

BRISBANE’S HONESTY SESSION

McCluggage and Joe Daniher went down swinging against Collingwood in the heartbreaking Grand Final defeat as the Lions best players.

Yet McCluggage says he was an active participant in the Grand Final post mortem as the players and coaching staff owned their mistakes in the big moments of the decider.

“It is a funny one. It’s sort of bittersweet. Offensively, I probably was able to impact the game, particularly after the first quarter, but I look back on a couple of things that I did throughout the game that I definitely thought I could have done better,” he said.

“And they’re the things that probably stay with me more than the positives, especially after a loss. So I haven’t reflected on it too much in terms of my personal game. My sole focus is to make sure that we get that opportunity down and everything I’ve done after that meeting is for the future not looking back.

“(The honesty session was) definitely beneficial. We all know it had to happen. The game goes quickly and then all of a sudden it’s over and you spend the next few nights thinking about the things you could have changed and you wish you could get your time back.

“And then to actually see those moments meant we could learn from them and put them to rest and launch into the pre-season. It wasn’t an easy meeting to sit through. We didn’t go after anyone but now we can make the subtle changes necessary to ensure those things didn’t happen again or as frequently as they happen in the Grand Final.”

THE FUTURE

ACL victim Will Ashcroft will be back in action mid-season and his brother Levi will follow not long after in the November national draft.

It shapes as another bumper draft for the Lions given Brisbane academy midfielder Sam Marshall is a potential first-rounder on talent.

“(Levi) trained with us for probably three or four weeks alongside Sam Marshall and a couple other boys. He’s awesome. He brought some great energy to the group. He fit in so well. Not too dissimilar to Will when he came through as a 17 year old,” McCluggage said.

“Even the training drills, they just get thrown straight into competitive work and it’s pretty exciting to see.

“It definitely helps when you have those father sons and those academy players coming through but it doesn’t just happen. You need great academy coaches through the academy and great resources to help the player flourish.

“We saw what Will did last year and also Jasper Fletcher who has such a high ceiling. There will always be things said (about academies) when you take players who are high picks but you still have to give up picks. They don’t just fall to us for nothing. Other clubs get father sons so it’s good for the game and good for the growth of footy in Queensland to get kids coming through.”

THE GABBA REDEVELOPMENT

The Olympics redevelopment of the Gabba is clearly dead in the water given recent developments, but it could pave the way for a smaller stand-by-stand renovation similar to Geelong’s gradual overhaul of GMHBA Stadium.

While it could limit the eventual scope of the rebuild, the huge upside for Brisbane in a premiership window is not moving out of the Gabba for four years to an alternative venue.

“There is a lot going on with it and as players we want to keep an eye on it because we want that security of having a home. It’s become a bit of a fortress for us. And it was a concern. Ideally we would be able to stay there as they do that stage-by-stage development. From a player’s view it’s still up in the air and it would be awesome for the Gabba to be upgraded. But in the short term we would love to keep playing at a home ground that provides us an advantage like the Gabba does.”

 

[Nathan Barley]

I’d want Clug to take his game to the next level to warrant a million bucks. His last season was a touch underwhelming

 

[Dalions]

I’d want Clug to take his game to the next level to warrant a million bucks. His last season was a touch underwhelming

Once Will did his ACL and Clugga moved more inside, I personally think he was one of our best through the end of the year and finals series.

 

[M Malice]

I’d want Clug to take his game to the next level to warrant a million bucks. His last season was a touch underwhelming

I'd go for 900k per year over 5 years with incentive/bonus clauses eg. top 3 B&F, AA selection etc.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Once Will did his ACL and Clugga moved more inside, I personally think he was one of our best through the end of the year and finals series.

Correct

But he's been at a similar level for 4 or 5 years now. $1mil/year would be based on him taking that next step and becoming a top 10 midfielder in the comp which we've been waiting for him to do for a few years now

I mean it's more than Neale who has won 2 brownlows and multiple B&Fs albeit with a less unique skill set

 

[dlanod]

Correct

But he's been at a similar level for 4 or 5 years now. $1mil/year would be based on him taking that next step and becoming a top 10 midfielder in the comp which we've been waiting for him to do for a few years now

I mean it's more than Neale who has won 2 brownlows and multiple B&Fs albeit with a less unique skill set

Neale is over $1m this year (or "believed" to be).

Richer than ever: Surprise top earners as 19 players crack $1m

More players than ever have been paid seven figures, overall wages hit new high

www.afl.com.au

There's about a dozen midfielders over $1m already, and that's without many new contracts signed to take advantage of the salary cap jump.

 

[Dalions]

Correct

But he's been at a similar level for 4 or 5 years now. $1mil/year would be based on him taking that next step and becoming a top 10 midfielder in the comp which we've been waiting for him to do for a few years now

I mean it's more than Neale who has won 2 brownlows and multiple B&Fs albeit with a less unique skill set

I could see Hug breaking through for his first BnF this year.

I do agree that I think I would have him more in that $9-950k range

 

[Nathan Barley]

Neale is over $1m this year (or "believed" to be).

Richer than ever: Surprise top earners as 19 players crack $1m

More players than ever have been paid seven figures, overall wages hit new high

www.afl.com.au

There's about a dozen midfielders over $1m already, and that's without many new contracts signed to take advantage of the salary cap jump.

Averaged $800k/yr according to this

The sting in this trade tale: An added twist to Lachie Neale's value - The sting in this trade tale: An added twist to Lachie Neale's value

 

[Tom14]

Neale is over $1m this year (or "believed" to be).

Richer than ever: Surprise top earners as 19 players crack $1m

More players than ever have been paid seven figures, overall wages hit new high

www.afl.com.au

There's about a dozen midfielders over $1m already, and that's without many new contracts signed to take advantage of the salary cap jump.

Was about to make the exact same point. $1 million/year under the new salary cap isn't the same as it was. More and more players will earn a million plus, and the cost to replace McCluggage with an equivalent player would be at least that much money, plus whatever draft picks were required.

Total no-brainer to re-sign at that price.

 

[dlanod]

Averaged $800k/yr according to this

The sting in this trade tale: An added twist to Lachie Neale's value - The sting in this trade tale: An added twist to Lachie Neale's value

Either was backloaded and/or had a trigger based off CBA negotiations then.

 

[Tom14]

Averaged $800k/yr according to this

The sting in this trade tale: An added twist to Lachie Neale's value - The sting in this trade tale: An added twist to Lachie Neale's value

Neale signed an extension in 2022, which I expect pushed his salary up above 1 mill: Lach-ed in: Star Lion inks contract extension.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Either was backloaded and/or had a trigger based off CBA negotiations then.

Neale signed an extension in 2022, which I expect pushed his salary up above 1 mill: Lach-ed in: Star Lion inks contract extension.

Was front loaded according to that article