Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[dangerwood]

You're severely overestimating the morality of professional sporting clubs.

As sad as it may be, it's just a business to a lot of these guys at board level, and when that business succeeds through winning games, they'll overlook a lot of character flaws to get there.

They see/hear these troubles and many of them respond with "Yeah...but the boy can play", and back themselves in to either get him right, or keep as much of it in under the carpet as they can.

See Eddie McGuire a dozen or so times, and he's hardly the only one, he's just been the most public.

It's not the club and the "can the boy play" aspect that I'm underestimating it's the marketing strategy. Supporters, employees, staff, AFLW there's way more pressure on clubs in a marketing (money) sense than in the past. The fact he can kick a footy won't outweigh the marketability of the team.

If he was buddy Franklin and would still bring numbers through the gates then that might outweigh the negative push back, but not Tarryn Thomas. He has zero marketability, noones going to sign up to see him but people will threaten clubs in various ways if they sign him.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

It could happen, for sure. The salary bands are:

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Stengle will be 26 at the end of the year so that's automatically 10 points, then it just depends on the salary he's offered, with the points allocated as follows:

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So he'd need to be offered $500k+ for us to receive end of 1st round compo.

It also depends on base vs incentives. Given stengles history some clubs might offer him say a lower base (maybe only 450 or 500k) and higher incentives but only base counts re the bandings not incentives.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

IF Stengle moves to another club via free agency, we'll get zero compensation

Tyson is a delisted free agent for the remainder of his AFL career and there's no compensation to clubs for losing a DFA - so age, salary bands, allocation of points etc, won't have any relevance

No we still get a compo we just cant match because all previously delisted players are UFAs not RFAs. See mabior chol.

 

[foxdog50]

I hope Stengle will bounce back to his 2022 Form... But there is a small part of me say 5%, thinks we won't see him back to what he did that year..Without Eddie not there for guidance, as I seem Eddie did so much for him a person, and now his not there, I just hope his not lost with out him..

 

[BORIS332]

IF Stengle moves to another club via free agency, we'll get zero compensation

Tyson is a delisted free agent for the remainder of his AFL career and there's no compensation to clubs for losing a DFA - so age, salary bands, allocation of points etc, won't have any relevance

It's a bit of a grey area, for mine. Will he still be considered a DFA if he rejects an offer from GFC?



Edit: just found this article, we would receive compensation.

 

[cats_09]

No we still get a compo we just cant match because all previously delisted players are UFAs not RFAs. See mabior chol.

This is where the AFL needs to clean up the info around Free Agency because it gets bloody confusing trying to read through the multitude of articles, display charts etc about it

The thing that’s clear is that once a delisted free agent, the player maintains their FA status throughout their career when out of contract. And when articles/charts talk about the different FA statuses & compensation, they all say “excluding DFA” in discussion of compensation

Maybe they need to add in a new * section:
*DFA -> when a delisted free agent signs a new AFL contract, they will revert to UFA status when out contract for the remainder of their career

That just helps clarify things - but at the same time, I think the AFL enjoys the ambiguity around FA

 

[cats_09]

It's a bit of a grey area, for mine. Will he still be considered a DFA if he rejects an offer from GFC?

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Edit: just found this article, we would receive compensation.

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Cheers

I was looking for that type of info this afternoon and not easy to find a simple answer to the question, “Is there compensation for former delisted free agents?”

Though lets be honest -the AFL could easily decide to change that decision later this year that compensation no longer applies to DFA’s…


It would be great to see a really simple FAQ section on the AFL website, instead of google searches bringing up 10yr old articles

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Stengle isn’t leaving.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I think the main difference was cost and that Stengle had shown signs of working hard and trying to turn it around when he went back to the SANFL.

I can't see us throwing TT a lifeline unless he does something similar and knuckles down for a little while at the lower level. The idea we would offer up a first rounder when we wouldn't even do that for Ollie Henry is laughable.

Yeah you're right, Stengle sitting a year in the sanfl was a determining factor. He had to show that he'd left his lifestyle behind.

That's something he could demonstrate though because it was based on a frequent habit. I don't know how TT would go about demonstrating he has changed when the actual thing he's accused of either isn't an every week occurance or is something he can hide. I don't think he can demonstrate anything on a 1 year time-scale.

 

[lettheboysplay]

In the world cup I think all players and coaches part of the squad get a medal. Doesn't matter whether you played or not.

In all honesty, I don't really subscribe to the view that premierships count as a sort of individual accolade. You win them for your club, and everyone part of the club deserves to share equally in the success.

Plenty of champion players never played in a flag and shouldn't be seen any lesser because of it.

On the other hand, players like Isaac Smith or Martin Pike who hopped from one club to another at an opportune time.. Look good on them, but the medals imo don't count more than being a player that was a key part of a club in a successful as well as in a not-so-successful era.

Spoken like a bloke who has never won a flag.

That's literally all you play for.

Sure, not everyone can win one, but that's what makes them so special. I'll be remembering Isaac Smith's heroics on GF day when I'm 80, over Ricciardi (star, don't get me wrong) beating Carlton in an H & A game.

 

[Turbocat]

You're severely overestimating the morality of professional sporting clubs.

As sad as it may be, it's just a business to a lot of these guys at board level, and when that business succeeds through winning games, they'll overlook a lot of character flaws to get there.

They see/hear these troubles and many of them respond with "Yeah...but the boy can play", and back themselves in to either get him right, or keep as much of it in under the carpet as they can.

See Eddie McGuire a dozen or so times, and he's hardly the only one, he's just been the most public.

I agree. If someone is talented enough they certainly get more chances ... but there is also a point where the chances runs out and the patience dries.

At the moment he is almost radioactive. A cynic might say it would be very difficult for any club with all the head nods and internal puffed chests to be interested in a player that has the Geiger counters ticking like TT. That weather a club is sincere or not , their image would mean its out of the question to have a player that has crossed the line

No doubt there is a high degree of sincerity by some people inside clubs that only the "right" people are kept in the industry and lists filled with people of the right character and talent but that is a rare and hard combination to obtain.

If he is radioactive atm, then just what is the half life of that radioactivity. Would Tex Walker still be in the system if he was less talented? The examples are probably endless of players with unusual characters given more leeway.

Only 23 ...at his age .. I could see a future when its possible that some club asking about him at some stage if all the right noises are made , and the right signals are given. Perhaps a year at the lower level like Stengle, perhaps not... but his talent has already seen him with more chances than a fringe player, and he probably continues to get more till the perceived benefit no longer outweighs the potential cost

 

[MacStradbroke]

Spoken like a bloke who has never won a flag.

That's literally all you play for.

Sure, not everyone can win one, but that's what makes them so special. I'll be remembering Isaac Smith's heroics on GF day when I'm 80, over Ricciardi (star, don't get me wrong) beating Carlton in an H & A game.

How many AFL players would walk away if you removed all wages? Just my take on ‘literally all they play for’.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Does someone want to check my maths here because this can't be right.

Currently we have an average age of 25.5 so second oldest in the comp. Assuming we see the retirement of Hawkins, Tuohy, and Rohan and replace them with say 3 random draftees born 1st June 06 so smack in the middle of their draft year. Then our average age becomes 24.25? Seems right?

This year that would be the 5th youngest list behind North, Hawks, West Coast, and Freo... right?

Surely I messed something up there. I'm just getting the playing list from draft guru and hard coding new DOBs over the retirees and taking the new average.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Angus Brayshaw

10

Angus Brayshaw

Age

29

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

4.3

5star

MG

233.5

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

7.7

3star

HB

7.8

4star

M

2.0

2star

T

3.2

4star

MG

233.5

4star

D

11.4

3star

K

8.2

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

5.6

5star

retired.

Concussion issues.

Sad for him… Dees are having an absolute shocker.

Gotta say we may have dodged a bullet with him staying at the Dees.

 

[Footy Smarts]

BOM only showing about 30 degrees at the moment and the breeze keeping the apparent temp down to 26. Hopefully won't be too bad?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

BOM only showing about 30 degrees at the moment and the breeze keeping the apparent temp down to 26. Hopefully won't be too bad?

Just gotta keep the fluids up!

 

[Hamingja]

Does someone want to check my maths here because this can't be right.

Currently we have an average age of 25.5 so second oldest in the comp. Assuming we see the retirement of Hawkins, Tuohy, and Rohan and replace them with say 3 random draftees born 1st June 06 so smack in the middle of their draft year. Then our average age becomes 24.25? Seems right?

This year that would be the 5th youngest list behind North, Hawks, West Coast, and Freo... right?

Surely I messed something up there. I'm just getting the playing list from draft guru and hard coding new DOBs over the retirees and taking the new average.

Everyone else gets a year older

 

[Lana]

Does someone want to check my maths here because this can't be right.

Currently we have an average age of 25.5 so second oldest in the comp. Assuming we see the retirement of Hawkins, Tuohy, and Rohan and replace them with say 3 random draftees born 1st June 06 so smack in the middle of their draft year. Then our average age becomes 24.25? Seems right?

This year that would be the 5th youngest list behind North, Hawks, West Coast, and Freo... right?

Surely I messed something up there. I'm just getting the playing list from draft guru and hard coding new DOBs over the retirees and taking the new average.

Google draft guru Geelong 2024 list

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Google draft guru Geelong 2024 list

That is where I got the data. Just half astonished and thinking it can't be right.

 

[Lana]

That is where I got the data. Just half astonished and thinking it can't be right.

it is correctish, replacing 34 years olds with 18 year olds is 16 years per player 3 players 48 years over 44 list spots. But when it happens 41 players will be a year older

 

[CatToTheFuture]

it is correctish, replacing 34 years olds with 18 year olds is 16 years per player 3 players 48 years over 44 list spots. But when it happens 41 players will be a year older

Ah, forgot to adjust up the remaining ages. Thought I must have missed a step

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Does someone want to check my maths here because this can't be right.

Currently we have an average age of 25.5 so second oldest in the comp. Assuming we see the retirement of Hawkins, Tuohy, and Rohan and replace them with say 3 random draftees born 1st June 06 so smack in the middle of their draft year. Then our average age becomes 24.25? Seems right?

This year that would be the 5th youngest list behind North, Hawks, West Coast, and Freo... right?

Surely I messed something up there. I'm just getting the playing list from draft guru and hard coding new DOBs over the retirees and taking the new average.

If you take today's game as a blueprint, we're really not far off from being a very young side.

By the end of this year, it could be Tomahawk, Danger, Touhy, Stanley, & Duncan out.

You'd think the replacements are either going to be 18 year old kids, or players traded in who are still considered to be young footballers (Smith & JUH for example)

Who does that leave who's actually considered old? Blicavs, Stewart, Cameron, Guthrie, Bews I guess.

That's a very normal looking group of senior players. Even Norf last year had Cunnington, Ziebell, Shiels, and alike as their veterans.

It's the danger with our list and it shows the hilarious negligence on display by some media types when dissecting it.

If we fall in a heap in a year or two (which I'm not expecting, but some are), it's not going to have anything to do with the kids. They're more than fine.

It's going to have everything to do with having the many of the new key cogs in the team maxxing out at age 24.

It's why over the next year or two we might see some players recruited in that 25-27 range to just fill the gap until the youngsters are closer to their prime. A bit like 2015.

It doesn't mean we need to be attracting superstars at that age, but we will need some players with some experience to pad the list out.

 

[calder_daddy]

 

[cats_09]

Send him to one of the state leagues for a year or two and see how much he really wants to play at the top level

 

[calder_daddy]

Send him to one of the state leagues for a year or two and see how much he really wants to play at the top level

He’ll probably be in prison given his trajectory