Rumour Jeremy Finlayson under investigation - 3 game suspension

[Slackjaw]

Them being "pressed too closely for sound arguments"

Thanks. This is not what was happening here though.

 

[Redline]

I dont think that is correct. An umpire didn't pick it up.

It was voluntarily admitted by Finlayson at the break to officials. Finlayson said from his own mouth he knew it was wrong the second he did it and owned up to it.

This stuff doesn't happen all the time on the field - that is an assumption in the highest order by you.

I'm also not suggesting Finlayson should be sacked. I'm merely saying if he did this in another workplace he likely would be. he should be suspended though. Similar to what the NRL does for homophobic slurs.

The Essendon players heard it and made the umpire aware at the time. That's what Langford said. At 3/4 time Finlayson reported it which is commendable but it was already known.

Kochy seemed to be running a line that it was all voluntered which is not really true. He didn't self report, just admitted he said it.

Anyway, I think a fine and maybe a game suspension.

 

[Bjo187]

I didn’t realise calling someone a ****** was a fundamental part of the sport

Any conversation with an opposition player isn't a fundamental of the sport. Either is talking to umpires. Is sledging?

 

[HirdsTheWord]

The Essendon players heard it and made the umpire aware at the time. That's what Langford said. At 3/4 time Finlayson reported it which is commendable but it was already known.

Kochy seemed to be running a line that it was all voluntered which is not really true. He didn't self report, just admitted he said it.

Anyway, I think a fine and maybe a game suspension.

meh however it happened is a bit irrelevant. I think Finlayson has handled it as well as he could have. Seems to be genuinely sorry about it.

He said it and it needs to be dealt with in a sufficient manner. I think more than 1 game but that's just me. i personally like how the NRL dealt with it.

 

[Redline]

meh however it happened is a bit irrelevant. I think Finlayson has handled it as well as he could have. Seems to be genuinely sorry about it.

He said it and it needs to be dealt with in a sufficient manner. I think more than 1 game but that's just me. i personally like how the NRL dealt with it.

I agree better than denying it or saying he couldn't remember saying it as others have done.

 

[SuperMal]

I grew up in NSW (both out west in country towns with very high percentages of aboriginals, and then in Sydney) mid-70's onwards and while those latter two words were commonly used (along with others), the N word wasn't. Perhaps is a regional thing.

I think you’re right - I grew up in a very white/anglo Adelaide and the ONLY time it was used was by Poms describing the West Indian issue in the UK.

Even as a Cop in SAPOL, never heard it…that was late 70s

 

[SuperMal]

Oh dear. Let me leave you two with a quote from French philosopher Jean-Paul Sartre to reflect on:

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

I’ve changed my opinion of you, For what its worth.

 

[Engimal v3]

I’ve changed my opinion of you, For what its worth.

What an ominous comment haha
What did it used to be, and what is it now?

 

[SuperMal]

This is a thread on homosexual vilification, we are not discussing indigenous vilification as it is not relevant. Please stay on topic

Far too late for the ‘post police’.

There are 5 pages of discussion on a common racial slur and it’s use on this thread.

 

[SuperMal]

What an ominous comment haha
What did it used to be, and what is it now?

Anything I say will sound patronising - lets just say I was wrong, - let’s move on.

 

[South of the Yarra]

They are not wrong. They are 100 percent right. It was commonly used to degrade Aboriginals.

SuperMal you seem to disagree that Aboriginals were regularly called the N word. They were and it was constant

 

[The Hobo]

This stuff doesn't happen all the time on the field - that is an assumption in the highest order by you.

Watch Footy Classified, Caro suggested it happens all the time, and two former players didn't deny it/correct her.

 

[StopAndDrain]

There's a lot of santimonious people here ready to hang the guy. Yes he's done the wrong thing, yes he will be sanctioned but ranking the severity of the offence does not mean it's condoned. There's a reason why proportionality principles exists in law and should be applied . Yes pedophilia is unequivocally bad but there is a reason why it is not as bad a wilful homicide ie first degree murder (although im sure there will be someone out there that will pick a fight over this point.). There a reason why stealing a pencil at Ikea is not the same as holding up a bank. That is not to say pedophilia should be accepted by the community at all , and is a reprehensible act , it's in most cases not as bad as murdering someone and committing a homicidal act.

Yes with a slur like this there is community standards and there is context as well. there is a reason why a racist remark against white people is not treated equally as a racist remark against a person of colour in a minority group in a ethnically white dominant society ie Sam Kerr.

by my understanding it was homophobic slur against a straight white male. Ok sure it is what it is. People just need to cool their jets , yes unreservedly condemn the action bring awareness and education and put in an appropriate and proportionate sanction and move on.

people calling out for him to be hung drawn and quartered lack the understanding of nuance here and thinks the world just operates in dare I say "Black and White"

 

[austinnn]

Using his dying wife to cover for being a homophobe would be worse than the slur in thr first place.

Jesus get a grip. Its not a nice word, but 15 years ago it was a common insult towards anyone, not strictly homosexuals.

These guys are boofheads generally a long way from the guardian reading sections of genteel society, why do we instantly expect everyone to toe the line?

To callously dismiss the trauma of watching his life partner slowly dying but then rashly paint him as a homophobe without knowing anything about him is a trademark of the weaker element of today's society imo.

Of course use of words like this must be stamped out, but let's not pretend it's crime of the century either.

 

[Engimal v3]

I'm reading on the Port board that the AFL will give Finlayson 6 weeks just because he's Indigenous and plays for Port

This would be shocking if true!

 

[austinnn]

No it’s not. Your opinion is ******* stupid. Doesn’t even warrant rebuttal.

Your opinion is more stupid.

That guy is dead right it's not the same. The word Tex used has been used exclusively to target non-whites, whereas this word was used very recently as a synonym for loser - whether or not that is OK or not is beside the point.

Yes JF should know better, yes times have changed, but overstating the severity here does nothing but belittle the 'victims' and their supporters.

 

[Stax on the mill]

I'm reading on the Port board that the AFL will give Finlayson 6 weeks just because he's Indigenous and plays for Port

This would be shocking if true!

Then they’re wrong on all 3 counts. He won’t get 6 weeks. The penalty handed down will not be more severe because he is indigenous, or because he plays for Port. They’re obviously more paranoid than normal.

 

[SuperMal]

SuperMal you seem to disagree that Aboriginals were regularly called the N word. They were and it was constant

My last post clearly articulates my opinion - which is use of the word was probably very dependant on where and to some extent when we are talking.

I’m not ignoring personal testimony - more trying to explain why my experiences as a young adult in the late 1970s were wholly different.

 

[Engimal v3]

Your opinion is more stupid.

That guy is dead right it's not the same. The word Tex used has been used exclusively to target non-whites, whereas this word was used very recently as a synonym for loser - whether or not that is OK or not is beside the point.

Yes JF should know better, yes times have changed, but overstating the severity here does nothing but belittle the 'victims' and their supporters.

What's the point of these mental gymnastics that I keep reading?

He didn't mean to be homophobic, he just used a word to vilify gay people because gay people used to be considered losers?

If I and everyone else can avoid saying it in the workplace, there's no excuse. He's not 13 - he's nearly 30 ffs

 

[Hawksboy72]

Jesus...we're all abit precious these days aren't we......
A bit of push and shove leads to a sledge..and a player feels the need to self report a sledge......oh deary me...
Didn't say anything racist, didn't king hit anyone behind, didn't get into a fight with a spectator...all this crap over a comment.....

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[Engimal v3]

Then they’re wrong on all 3 counts. He won’t get 6 weeks. The penalty handed down will not be more severe because he is indigenous, or because he plays for Port. They’re obviously more paranoid than normal.

I see. They're claiming it's okay because he was provoked though.

 

[SuperMal]

Same penalty as Tex seems the fair thing.

 

[Stax on the mill]

I see. They're claiming it's okay because he was provoked though.

If anyone is seriously running the provocation defence, then they’re wrong again.

 

[Engimal v3]

If anyone is seriously running the provocation defence, then they’re wrong again.

Uh oh - I'll have to report this back to the Port board

 

[Del165198]

Yokels still trying to argue that calling someone short is as bad as the n word or “pile of sticks” lmao.

Absolutely seething they can't get away with calling people p**fs anymore