jason_recliner
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Yeah whatever champ.You're so naive.
You don't know what you're talking about if you think people can't hide behind a legitimate front to conduct nefarious activities.
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Yeah whatever champ.You're so naive.
You don't know what you're talking about if you think people can't hide behind a legitimate front to conduct nefarious activities.
You're so naive.
You don't know what you're talking about if you think people can't hide behind a legitimate front to conduct nefarious activities.
I saw last night there was word of the ICC about to issue warrants against Netanyahy and a couple of other not so prominent names, had trouble verifying it at the time.
Also reports the assault on Rafah was being stalled over this but then Netanyahu jumped out in defiance.
I saw last night there was word of the ICC about to issue warrants against Netanyahy and a couple of other not so prominent names, had trouble verifying it at the time.
Also reports the assault on Rafah was being stalled over this but then Netanyahu jumped out in defiance.
Israel isn't bound by the ICC.
Palestine is.
"Israel is not a member of the court, based in The Hague, and does not recognize its jurisdiction, but the Palestinian territories were admitted as a member state in 2015.".
All the axis powers, Germany, Italy, Japan.I wonder if this court existed in WW2 how many national leaders would have been issues arrest warrants?
If Israel is the standard, I think it would be almost every country involved in the war.All the axis powers, Germany, Italy, Japan.
I don't think they ever went to the allied countries though .
If Israel is the standard, I think it would be almost every country involved in the war.
Perhaps sport can help. Europe expelled Russia from soccer, perhaps EUFA can do something.If Israel is the standard, I think it would be almost every country involved in the war.
What a mess Hamas started. War is just unthinkably horrible. The only good thing to come out of it will be the end of that terrorist organization Hamas once and for all and hopefully replaced with leaderships who don't teach genocidal hatred of Israel.Problem for Israel is that the evidence is being live streamed in high definition.
What a mess Hamas started.
No, it wasn't. If you think this current war was going on before Hamas existed you don't know the first thing about the region. It started on Oct 7th as a result of Hamas's terrost attack. Israel would not be inside Gaza right now flattening the area if it weren't for Hamas's disgusting, unjustified and incredibly stupid terrorist attack on Oct 7th. It's Hamas's fault there is a war.This was going on long before Hamas even existed.
No, it wasn't. If you think this current war was going on before Hamas existed you don't know the first thing about the region. It started on Oct 7th as a result of Hamas's terrost attack. Israel would not be inside Gaza right now flattening the area if it weren't for Hamas's disgusting, unjustified and incredibly stupid terrorist attack on Oct 7th. It's Hamas's fault there is a war.
Of course both sides have grievances over past conflicts, terror attacks, land disputes, settler violence, anti-settler violence, and even past wars, but Hamas's utterly stupid and evil strategy of constantly trying to genocide Israel out of existence is the reason Israel can't live side by side with them.
Read my second paragraph. Nobody disputed there were past and current tensions, conflicts, grievances and tit for tat attacks prior to Oct 7th, the current WAR started on Oct 7th when Hamas launched their unprecedented terror attack against Israel.Should try reading up a bit.
2023 in the State of Palestine - Wikipedia
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There was conflict in Palestine before October 7th.
There was conflict in Palestine before 2023.
There is no genocide. It's a war, in war civilian casualties are extremely high. War is awful. Israel is not trying to genocide Palestinians, they are trying to eliminate Hamas. Do you think Israel has a policy of deliberately targeting civilians just to kill them with zero military reason for doing so?The only people responsible for the genocide Israel is enacting right now, is Israel.
Hamas could stop this at any time by surrendering, stop shooting rockets into Israel, releasing their hostages, stop using their own citizens as human shields and disbanding their terrorist organisation and allowing free and fair elections in their territory.They can stop dropping bombs any time they like. They can stop restricting aid any time they like. They can stop stealing land in the West Bank any time they like.
There is no genocide.
That court ruling does not support you statement that Israel is committing genocide. They weren't even ordered to cease their operation in Gaza.Even the ICJ found there was a plausible risk of genocide months ago.
Anything else you write is meaningless when you aren't even willing to accept what the ICJ finds to be plausibly at risk of occurring.
I don't remember Ukraine launching a major terrorist attack murdering, raping, and brutalizing Russian citizens as well as launching thousands of rockets into Russia. Unlike Russia, Israel's goal isn't even to gain land, it's to defeat the terrorists Hamas. Also unlike Russia, Israel do have kind of a morally correct reason to go to war, even if I think war was not the answer, as far as reasons to go to war are concerned, they have a very strong one.Funny how so many people are so opposed to what Russia is doing in Ukraine, yet are somehow finding themselves supporting Israel doing things that are at least as bad in Gaza.
Rarely seen? Would be interested to know how you support that. Among wars, this kind of death and injury is very common unfortunately.Israel has told you what they're trying to do, there's pages of quotes in the submission to the ICJ of high ranking Israeli officials telling us that what they're doing is exactly what they're trying to do. Mass displacement of Palestinian civilians.
Either the IDF is the single most incompetent military outfit the world has ever seen, causing civilian death, injury and displacement on a scale rarely or never seen before, or it's intentional.
That court ruling does not support you statement that Israel is committing genocide. They weren't even ordered to cease their operation in Gaza.
I don't remember Ukraine launching a major terrorist attack murdering, raping, and brutalizing Russian citizens as well as launching thousands of rockets into Russia. Unlike Russia, Israel's goal isn't even to gain land, it's to defeat the terrorists Hamas. Also unlike Russia, Israel do have kind of a morally correct reason to go to war, even if I think war was not the answer, as far as reasons to go to war are concerned, they have a very strong one.
Rarely seen? Would be interested to know how you support that. Among wars, this kind of death and injury is very common unfortunately.
“The scale of Palestinian civilian deaths in such a short period of time appears to be the highest such civilian casualty rate in the 21st century,” said Michael Lynk
Even the ICJ found there was a plausible risk of genocide months ago.
Again, risk of genocidal actions is something that happens in any large scale war.Anything else you write is meaningless when you aren't even willing to accept what the ICJ finds to be plausibly at risk of occurring.
I wouldn't call it funny myself at all. Ukraine at the hands of Russians has suffered millions of deaths, been starved for a decade, had Russian incompetence cause a part of the state of Ukraine to be completely uninhabitable.Funny how so many people are so opposed to what Russia is doing in Ukraine, yet are somehow finding themselves supporting Israel doing things that are at least as bad in Gaza.
We all can cherry pick what people say and put any context to it what we want.Israel has told you what they're trying to do, there's pages of quotes in the submission to the ICJ of high ranking Israeli officials telling us that what they're doing is exactly what they're trying to do. Mass displacement of Palestinian civilians.
Either the IDF is the single most incompetent military outfit the world has ever seen, causing civilian death, injury and displacement on a scale rarely or never seen before, or it's intentional.
Seems to me like you've exclusively read Israeli propaganda and have decided that's the only possible version of events.
This would be the case in pretty much all major wars.
Again, risk of genocidal actions is something that happens in any large scale war.
I wouldn't call it funny myself at all. Ukraine at the hands of Russians has suffered millions of deaths, been starved for a decade, had Russian incompetence cause a part of the state of Ukraine to be completely uninhabitable.
Russians have been trying to destroy Ukranian language, culture & statehood for over a century now (see bans on Ukranian speaking in Donbass late 19th / early 20th century combined with mass Russification).
So Ukraine's suffered millions of deaths at the hands of the Russians and they keep trying to attack the place, take it over and generally dismiss Ukraine's right to exist. Do Ukranians launch terror attacks in response? The answer is no.
We all can cherry pick what people say and put any context to it what we want.
There's countless examples of this during the war but you choose to only repeat Hamas rhetoric which generally involves saying every single person killed in Gaza during the war is deliberately murdered (Hamas are responsible for killing thousands of civilians in Gaza and all Hamas members killed are not civilians even if you repeat Hamas propaganda which labels them as civilians).
The truth is somewhere in the middle and we will find out post war but I am happy in the knowledge that I don't repeat Hamas propaganda which is blatantly false almost word for word.
Meanwhile Iran, Hezobollah, Hamas etc have been declaring for decades they want Jews / Israel wiped off the face of the earth.
The IDF is up against Hamas/Iran/Hezbollah as a collective who all declare their hatred for Jews and declare their intent for the destruction of the state of Israel - an action of genocide. This doesn't seem to be a problem for you which is strange when you are so concerned about the possibility of genocide.
We can all agree the scale is horrific, Israel should pay for their war crimes in a war crime tribunal post war. That's exactly what it is, a war crime.
All you have are talking points. What else did the ICJ say that supported your claim Israel was committing genocide?Ah yes. The talking point all the pro-Israel people rolled out immediately after the verdict as though it somehow wipes away everything else the ICJ said.
Palestinians have been killing Israelis for decades.They've been killing Palestinians for decades. Is that the morally correct reasoning?
Wait first you claimed "Either the IDF is the single most incompetent military outfit the world has ever seen, causing civilian death, injury and displacement on a scale rarely or never seen before"
This would be the case in pretty much all major wars.
Again, risk of genocidal actions is something that happens in any large scale war.
I wouldn't call it funny myself at all. Ukraine at the hands of Russians has suffered millions of deaths, been starved for a decade, had Russian incompetence cause a part of the state of Ukraine to be completely uninhabitable.
Russians have been trying to destroy Ukranian language, culture & statehood for over a century now (see bans on Ukranian speaking in Donbass late 19th / early 20th century combined with mass Russification).
So Ukraine's suffered millions of deaths at the hands of the Russians and they keep trying to attack the place, take it over and generally dismiss Ukraine's right to exist. Do Ukranians launch terror attacks in response? The answer is no.
We all can cherry pick what people say and put any context to it what we want.
There's countless examples of this during the war but you choose to only repeat Hamas rhetoric which generally involves saying every single person killed in Gaza during the war is deliberately murdered (Hamas are responsible for killing thousands of civilians in Gaza and all Hamas members killed are not civilians even if you repeat Hamas propaganda which labels them as civilians).
The truth is somewhere in the middle and we will find out post war but I am happy in the knowledge that I don't repeat Hamas propaganda which is blatantly false almost word for word.
Meanwhile Iran, Hezobollah, Hamas etc have been declaring for decades they want Jews / Israel wiped off the face of the earth.
The IDF is up against Hamas/Iran/Hezbollah as a collective who all declare their hatred for Jews and declare their intent for the destruction of the state of Israel - an action of genocide. This doesn't seem to be a problem for you which is strange when you are so concerned about the possibility of genocide.
We can all agree the scale is horrific, Israel should pay for their war crimes in a war crime tribunal post war. That's exactly what it is, a war crime.
All you have are talking points. What else did the ICJ say that supported your claim Israel was committing genocide?