Game Day 2024 Trade Period - Lian Yu - that liminal space between trade and draft.

[Taylor]

If we end up holding the first pick of round two I expect to auction it off for a future first anyway.

 

[freocuz]

If we end up holding the first pick of round two I expect to auction it off for a future first anyway.

Me too, and for that auction to occur overnight between draft days. If all reports are correct about the depth of talent in this draft, there will be someone left on the board after the first day that a team will be desperate to grab.


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[dont bowl there]

If we are genuinely prepared to leave Bolton at Richmond we can do that, otherwise it will be difficult.

I want Bolton way more than I want us to make a stand. If we can get a pick in the low to mid 20s back I fail to see how this isn't a deal worth doing. If it's picks 10+11 for Bolton and nothing else then yeah, that's just poor negotiating.

 

[Nodgey]

Instead of compo picks being additional picks that move everyone back, they should explore some system where they simply improve that club’s pick/s.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

What’s the latest today? Been offline all morning.
Trade radio on Twitter seems to think Bolton will be going for 10 and 11 as the main portion of the deal. Ugh

No update and no one really had a clue, despite whatever posturing you hear.

 

[bigfoopy]

Going off that interview jack darling

28

Jack Darling

Age

33

Ht

191cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.4

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

14.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

4.0

5star

G

1.4

5star

actually thinks he’s him

 

[Eski3]

I actually quite enjoy the drama of having the first pick on night 2. If the Graham FA pick is pick 24, and we can do 10, 11 and 29 for 23, 24 and Bolton I think that's an alright deal given the depth of the draft

 

[FreoMatt]

There has been 0 noise in the media about Richmond paying Bolton's contract right?

Is their cap that bad that they are still paying off players?


Surely we are getting some $$ in this deal

I think we have to get something paid. Clubs must play 95% of their cap and with Rioli, Martin, Reiwold, Cotchin, Baker, Bolton, Grimes and Graham all leaving in the last 2 years, who else other than Hopper and Taranto do they have to pay


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[apuchar]

Instead of compo picks being additional picks that move everyone back, they should explore some system where they simply improve that club’s pick/s.

Whatever system doesn't add picks i reckon. Not sure if someone who has pick 5 would be happy if St Kilda 's pick 8 gets upgraded to pick 4 though.

 

[dont bowl there]

Whatever system doesn't add picks i reckon. Not sure if someone who has pick 5 would be happy if St Kilda 's pick 8 gets upgraded to pick 4 though.

I can get my head around FA compo given clubs can't trade players without their consent BUT it has to start at pick 19. The first round should be 100% off limits to any compensation.

 

[apuchar]

I can get my head around FA compo given clubs can't trade players without their consent BUT it has to start at pick 19. The first round should be 100% off limits to any compensation.

Considering Hawks got 18 for Franklin, it isn't completely unreasonable.

 

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[Lach72]

pick 6 for a 29 year old Rioli makes my head explode

 

[apuchar]

Richmond asking for 6 & 13, no exceptions, if it isn't 6 & 13 Rioli stays a RFC player.

Not sure how true

 

[Joao]

Seems clearly framed between 10+11 and 10+18 now.

 

[Azz 27]

How is the band 2 or 3

 

[worsemim]

The biggest problem with free agency is that the compensation system is broken. A lot of the really outrageous pick shuffling that has happened has been due to these obscene pay outs for middling players—players being valued at point values they would simply never fetch at the trade table.

I am generally in favour of equalisation measures, but they really miss the mark on free agency compo picks. (Case in point: Battle for pick 8; McKay for pick 2.) The point difference between a first band compensation pick of 2 vs pick 19 is inequitable (the difference in point value is equivalent to pick 8) and destabilising (destabilising because clubs doing badly are incentivised to get rid of their experienced players because they're getting such a disproportionately generous pay out for them). Compo picks should not be tethered to draft order—every single one should be calculated by a publicly available metric that spits out an equivalent point value.

There's also the glaring issue that uncontracted players are often worth less at the trade table than free agents, despite the premise of free agency being that the free agents have contributed to a club for years, and that the club has been adequately rewarded for drafting/trading them in. Basically: you've had 8 years of service, you can't keep benefiting from this player forever. But in reality, the pay off of a FA leaving is often far greater than a player who did 3 years after being drafted and is out of contract. An uncontracted player has the weird "walk to the PSD" loophole, or other similar loopholes. Look at how Sharp ended up at Freo, with Gold Coast getting absolutely nothing in return. That's a broken system. I'm using that example specifically because Freo benefited from it, so you know I'm being objective when I say the system is broken for uncontracted players.

If St Kilda got what seems reasonable for a player like Battle—something roughly equivalent to an end of first round compo pick—and it didn't mess with the top end of the draft, you could get a little salty but it wouldn't feel like an outrageous symptom of a broken system. As it is, middling players totally rearrange the top 10 of the draft, and it ****ing sucks.

 

[dont bowl there]

Richmond asking for 6 & 13, no exceptions, if it isn't 6 & 13 Rioli stays a RFC player.

Not sure how true

Zero chance the trade will be 6+13 unless Tigers F1 comes back the other way which it won't.

 

[apuchar]

Zero chance the trade will be 6+13 unless Tigers F1 comes back the other way which it won't.

Seems outrageous. Even 6 on its own is right out there.

 

[guidodp15]

Zero chance the trade will be 6+13 unless Tigers F1 comes back the other way which it won't.

If Gold Coast hand those picks over they should be folded. Pick 2 for Weller was shocking but this is a joke and the afl should step in.

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

Their 21 is now 24, but I agree that's the most likely scenario and whilst not ideal, nothing to melt over

This will depend on Walls and if there is someone in that range 10-12 he really wants. If he does then he will hold firm. 10 and 18 is a great deal for Richmond.

 

[FreoMatt]

The biggest problem with free agency is that the compensation system is broken. A lot of the really outrageous pick shuffling that has happened has been due to these obscene pay outs for middling players—players being valued at point values they would simply never fetch at the trade table.

I am generally in favour of equalisation measures, but they really miss the mark on free agency compo picks. (Case in point: Battle for pick 8; McKay for pick 2.) The point difference between a first band compensation pick of 2 vs pick 19 is inequitable (the difference in point value is equivalent to pick 8) and destabilising (destabilising because clubs doing badly are incentivised to get rid of their experienced players because they're getting such a disproportionately generous pay out for them). Compo picks should not be tethered to draft order—every single one should be calculated by a publicly available metric that spits out an equivalent point value.

There's also the glaring issue that uncontracted players are often worth less at the trade table than free agents, despite the premise of free agency being that the free agents have contributed to a club for years, and that the club has been adequately rewarded for drafting/trading them in. Basically: you've had 8 years of service, you can't keep benefiting from this player forever. But in reality, the pay off of a FA leaving is often far greater than a player who did 3 years after being drafted and is out of contract. An uncontracted player has the weird "walk to the PSD" loophole, or other similar loopholes. Look at how Sharp ended up at Freo, with Gold Coast getting absolutely nothing in return. That's a broken system. I'm using that example specifically because Freo benefited from it, so you know I'm being objective when I say the system is broken for uncontracted players.

If St Kilda got what seems reasonable for a player like Battle—something roughly equivalent to an end of first round compo pick—and it didn't mess with the top end of the draft, you could get a little salty but it wouldn't feel like an outrageous symptom of a broken system. As it is, middling players totally rearrange the top 10 of the draft, and it ****ing sucks.

Sharp was delisted


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[MadMundy]

God I've decided to read along with the Richmond board during this process and it's hilarious:

"Fremantle are desperate for Bolton"

"Bolton makes Fremantle a premiership team"

"Fremantle are pretenders not willing to fork over the picks for a gamechanger"

"We should just deal with West Coast instead"

Brilliant.

 

[Dayts]

Has the Kelly thing been put to bed ?

 

[Eski3]

Has the Kelly thing been put to bed ?

Essentially yes, by Garlick