Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVII

[Old Campaigner]

Fining a black dude for dressing up as a black character seems ****ing stupid, unless there was something completely inappropriate with the skit he did. I don't even know why he'd ask permission given his background.

 

[Mercurial89]

I partly agree. he has at least shown a little bit of character and awareness of the situation. if he hadn't been fined, I think it would have been fine. but if you're going around asking for permission, I reckon that's probably a good sign to just leave it at home. i guess the wacky wednesday talent show was a Very Big Deal and they didn't want to rock up without a hilarious skit.

I think the fact punishment was received colours the commentary on asking for permission.

He did the mature thing, understanding that whilst a character that is cool and well received in a movie that it's source material could be offensive. He then queried with relevant parties who may be offended and was given blessing.
We smack sportsman for not thinking all the time, he's actually thought through it and taken steps to do the right thing, gets slapped with a fine anyway.

I'm not sure where we are if we are punishing that type of thing.
Now dressing up as sex offenders, rapists, a white person doing black face are all things I totally understand punishments being handed down. Role models and all that, though Im not demanding punishments for what is stupid behaviour, those for public people can't be let slide.

But that Idun one bothers me, that's losing sight of what the actual issues with this are.
Off the top of my head id liken it to someone dressing up as a religious figure, if they checked with those that may take offense would we still punish them?

 

[Mercurial89]

Fining a black dude for dressing up as a black character seems ****ing stupid, unless there was something completely inappropriate with the skit he did. I don't even know why he'd ask permission given his background.

The skit was the slaves wrestling scene, so I can see the avenue to why it may have come about.

I just disagree entirely with it.

 

[crackers65]

Stringer will be right at home with these blokes.

 

[Corleone]

Stringer will be right at home with these blokes.

Oh come on ...

It's just a couple of jokes that was supposed to be private amongst mates. I get that nothing feels better for people than the feeling of moral superiority over people and judging others, but if we can stop the hand wringing, pearl clutching for just a moment we might be able to get over this atrocity.

 

[rumply]

Oh come on ...

It's just a couple of jokes that was supposed to be private amongst mates. I get that nothing feels better for people than the feeling of moral superiority over people and judging others, but if we can stop the hand wringing, pearl clutching for just a moment we might be able to get over this atrocity.

Personally, just reading about their actions, I'm scarred for life. Luckily there was a hero present who managed to know what the right thing to do was.

 

[Pweter]

What the **** have I walked into this morning?

 

[rumply]

What the **** have I walked into this morning?

Just the usual

 

[mike14]

Ignoring everything else, if you made as much an AFL player why wouldn't you just hire your mate as bartender for the day, do a massive Dan Murphys run and hold your event at your house where everyone has to leave their phone at the door and you can guarantee privacy?
You know your actions will be scrutinised to the nth degree, so just avoid a situation where they can be...

 

[yodellinhank]

Ignoring everything else, if you made as much an AFL player why wouldn't you just hire your mate as bartender for the day, do a massive Dan Murphys run and hold your event at your house where everyone has to leave their phone at the door and you can guarantee privacy?
You know your actions will be scrutinised to the nth degree, so just avoid a situation where they can be...

'til someone opens up your cupboard full of baby oil?

 

[mike14]

'til someone opens up your cupboard full of baby oil?

Not investing in internal locks is a poor life choice!

 

[dank420_]

 

[BrewSmackerVeiny]

I truly do not understand how grown men such as yourselves care that some drunk dudes in their twenties carried on and made some crass skits.
Pathetic pearl clutching low T behavior.

 

[Darealrath]

Pretty sure the news broke while I was up late on a school night watching Talking Footy of all things. Lot of hot takes at school the next day!

Still got all the newspapers from the day or two afterwards in some dusty box.

 

[P Money]

Mixed feelings about the Giants skits and punishments, particularly as we don't actually know the content of the skits or the spirit they were performed in. But the idea that it's an a priori ethical wrong to make jokes about bad things is just way off, and if anyone using that argument challenged their own thinking they'd quickly realise that there's a million jokes / comedic skits about bad things that they don't think are wrong and that they themselves find funny. Ever watched Blackadder? Inglorious Basterds? Pretty much any British comedy from the 60's onwards? Jokes/comedy about the second world war, generally accepted by the Western world to be the most horrific period of modern history and suffering that really just cannot be fully understood by the human imagination has for a long time been a fertile ground for British humour.

Having accepted that, how is it 'wrong' to make a joke about the twin towers? Yes it was horrific. No that doesn't mean there can't be humour attached. Jack Ginnivan dressed up as Jeffrey Dahmer. A serial killer that targeted gay (mostly black) men and ate parts of them. Horrific suffering involved.

Comedy is about the spirit of the joke, always has been. Making a joke about something is not necessarily (or even usually) agreeing with it, endorsing it, or disrespecting the victims.

 

[Runk]

Me reading this thread today....

 

[dank420_]

Regardless on whether it was an inside job etc etc,

Should it be joked about? Up to you. Kinda weird.

Should a company be within their rights to fine/suspend people who do? Yes.

 

[BrunoV]

Regardless on whether it was an inside job etc etc,

Should it be joked about? Up to you. Kinda weird.

Should a company be within their rights to fine/suspend people who do? Yes.

Should it be joked about? I take it that you have not seen the endless stream of amazing 9/11 memes.

 

[dank420_]

Should it be joked about? I take it that you have not seen the endless stream of amazing 9/11 memes.

As I said, up to you.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Should a company be within their rights to fine/suspend people who do? Yes.

This I sort of disagree with. This is Australia, not America, and there will be a ton of people who are not entirely privy to the loss that they feel.

Therefore I think if a company does deem it as unacceptable it should be more of a talking to/an opportunity for the person to learn/apologize rather than an all-out punishment.

I think when we start going into the "you hurt my feelings = you suffer" territory rather than communication/empathy it is a dangerous road to go on freedom-wise.

 

[katana]

Should it be joked about? Up to you. Kinda weird.

 

[dank420_]

This I sort of disagree with. This is Australia, not America, and there will be a ton of people who are not entirely privy to the loss that they feel.

Therefore I think if a company does deem it as unacceptable it should be more of a talking to/an opportunity for the person to learn/apologize rather than an all-out punishment.

I think when we start going into the "you hurt my feelings = you suffer" territory rather than communication/empathy it is a dangerous road to go on freedom-wise.

I'm advocating for a choice.

I also don't understand why so many people are so against fining dumb shit footy players.

 

[P Money]

Regardless on whether it was an inside job etc etc,

Should it be joked about? Up to you. Kinda weird.

Should a company be within their rights to fine/suspend people who do? Yes.

It is not ethically wrong to find humour from suffering. It's been a part of human nature and existence since time immemorial. I'm sure if you're honest with yourself you've made or laughed at countless jokes or comedy shows/movies/stand-ups about war, famine, vikings, Hitler, fraud, theft, or someone stubbing their toe. Human suffering is clearly bad. Finding humour in it is not.

 

[dank420_]

It is not ethically wrong to find humour from suffering. It's been a part of human nature and existence since time immemorial. I'm sure if you're honest with yourself you've made or laughed at countless jokes or comedy shows/movies/stand-ups about war, famine, vikings, Hitler, fraud, theft, or someone stubbing their toe. Human suffering is clearly bad. Finding humour in it is not.

I couldn't give a shit what people laugh at. That's not my point.

Also what you've written is pretty simplistic. Are we laughing at victims? Are we laughing at ourselves as victims? there's a bit of nuance involved here I would think.

 

[boncer34]

I couldn't give a shit what people laugh at. That's not my point.

They have the right to say whatever they want.

You don't have the right to though.