USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

[beez]

Kamala was too busy owning it on SNL.

 

[Shuestar13]

I just read that article, and it’s very good and well written and very much in keeping with the chaos of Trump world. wtf anyone would work for him even with the potential riches is behind my comprehension. You are more likely to end up as a pariah blamed by Trump for everything and some over zealous MAGA nuts wanting you dead.

Also you were hardly the only one sounding the alarm on Biden, I and many others were pre debate, and 90% wanted him gone after the debate.

However if Trumpy decided to use this new nickname, well. Sadly he’d probably still be in the same position he is in now, with near a 50-50 chance of winning.

It was a great read, albeit disturbing and frightening - I just, what credible people will want to work for him in the WH should be win…

You are so right as well, if he chose to use that nickname for Biden, the cult would have lapped it up.

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[OneGreatClub]

There is definitely hope.
If they vote and if voter suppression tactics have less impact than they might.

 

[Satan]

You do know she wasnt scheduled to turn up?

I mean you missed the real gotcha - she asked Hillary to go - and she did

The Crowd For Hillary Clinton's Florida 'Rally' For Kamala Harris Was Beyond Pathetic

For some reason, the Kamala Harris team sent Hillary Clinton to red Florida on her behalf.

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Anyway, it's all hands on deck right now for Donald Trump and Kamala Harris. The polls are close (shocker!). We have a real toss-up on our hands (shocker, again!). It's anyone's ballgame as we near the two-minute warning.

So, naturally, the Harris team sent Hillary Clinton to … FLORIDA … this afternoon on her behalf. And, shockingly, nobody showed up.

It's almost like Florida ain't the swing state it used to be. Weird.

Fk would not be happy posting misinformation such as that tweet

 

[happy_eagle]

Fk would not be happy posting misinformation such as that tweet

 

[Aussie in exile]

He sounds tired, and old and…worried.

The guys on a huge downward spiral.
His mental health issues are really kicking in now.

 

[pjcrows]

There is definitely hope.
If they vote and if voter suppression tactics have less impact than they might.

Can't see any indications Harris won't win decisively? That's rather disingenuous.

 

[Financialpanther]

Can't see any indications Harris won't win decisively? That's rather disingenuous.

A lot of peeps putting out something to point to 'I was right' knowing full well they will ghost these views if it goes the other way.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

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Is he saying his Uncle John ****ed his mother?????

 

[Dirty_banchez]

He sounds tired, and old and…worried.

Old, weathered and stupid.

Time to dust this classic off:

 

[OneGreatClub]

Old, weathered and stupid.

Time to dust this classic off:

Great clip. I haven’t come across it before. She’s such a looney and a charlatan, a rich one, so dumb are those Americans.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Can't see any indications Harris won't win decisively? That's rather disingenuous.

He looks at it that way. He is extremely well read and intelligent. Has great guests.
I listen to his podcasts occasionally, fascinating.
I am not 100% confident of her winning but I am hopeful she wins and takes the House.
Troy won’t ghost anything.

 

[Randomizor]

He sounds tired, and old and…worried.

He’s begging for votes now haha how pathetic

 

[IlovethePies]

Except there’s 0 chance of that candidate ever doing it in reality.(1)

So trying to be like ‘oh they’re all exactly the same’ and suggest it doesn’t matter who people vote for, is impractical, unrealistic, and myopic.

If you want the world to be a better place for more people, it’s not going to happen by getting a socialist POTUS elected. It’s going to be by electing people who by degrees are less likely to screw the working class, and democracy. (2)

If MAGA loses in a bloodbath, the GOP realise that going hard to the right isn’t working to them, and US politics shifts more towards the rest of the western world, that’s a ‘win’ for the working class. (3)

Your all or nothing, perfect solution world is never going to happen, which means you’re achieving nothing for anyone. You take the small wins you can actually get, and over time it results in meaningful change.(4)

(1) That's your opinion. It isn't mine.

(2) All capitalist politicians will screw the working class, because world capitalism has entered a period of terminal economic decline, and the only way that profits can be extracted in sufficient amounts to placate world finance markets is by intensifying the exploitation of workers, and by gutting all previous social expenditure (on hospitals, schools etc). The Democrats under Biden are currently presiding over a wave of school closures by cutting off funding, and this is set to escalate under either Harris or Trump - up to 350 000 teachers. (This is just one example).
Finally expenditure on militarism is another significant factor in the drive to cut social spending that both Trump and Harris will carry out, whichever of them ends up in the presidency.

(3) And you accuse me of being impractical, unrealistic and myopic!!! This statement is one of the most unrealistic I have read here.
The entire spectrum of US politics is cascading to the right at a million km per hour. Harris has announced that she is happy to carry out most of Trump's own xenophobic anti-immigrant policies. She has openly declared her support for Israel's ongoing genocide and pledged that she will continue to fund it. Under Biden, social inequality in the US has greatly deepened, which is why Trump can win a hearing in some sections of the working class.
Harris' economic policies will continue and intensify this trend.

(4) This was the perspective of social reformism, which had its heyday from mid to late 40's to the mid 60's.
Since then, reformism has been a deadletter.
This is the same across the entire world.
No government in the world today is legislating socially progressive policies. Worldwide, we are witnessing a catastrophic fall in living standards and counterrevolutionary steps to dismantle all the gains in public health, public education etc.
"Incremental reforms" , "gradual social progress" are completely unrealistic in contemporary reality. You're the one peddling a chimera, not me.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

The guys on a huge downward spiral.
His mental health issues are really kicking in now.

What are his mental health issues?

 

[JB1975]

No, this is not true.

There are historic turning points.

This is one of them.

I think you're right with this. Back when the Pies board allowed political discussion, we both identified the current moment as critical.

But when you look at the future through your (admittedly stylish) Trot lenses, it makes any consideration of what the future might look like a lot less interesting.

Things might unravel sooner rather than later, or Harris might win and something considerably less than an apocalypse will unfold. The way I see it, MAGA is going nowhere, so it's not hard to envisage another (more monstrous) populist playing Don's part in the next decade.

I don't think that history moves in circles. We've never been here before, not in this reality, and we (including your kind) don't know how many turns this Netflix series might take.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

What are his mental health issues?

Tone Spurs

 

[Mick F]

At this point, she really needs to have a think about the campaign finances and whether she can bring Beyonce to every rally

WTF are you talking about? Posting something from Fox’s poor man’s Gutfield.

Clinton was in Tampa promoting her recently published book and agreed to speak briefly at a ‘get the vote out’ Democrat event, energising local members/volunteers. Harris is in the key swing states, as is Trump, making the case to undecided voters.

 

[IlovethePies]

I think you're right with this. Back when the Pies board allowed political discussion, we both identified the current moment as critical.

But when you look at the future through your (admittedly stylish) Trot lenses, it makes any consideration of what the future might look like a lot less interesting.

Things might unravel sooner rather than later, or Harris might win and something considerably less than an apocalypse will unfold. The way I see it, MAGA is going nowhere, so it's not hard to envisage another (more monstrous) populist playing Don's part in the next decade.

I don't think that history moves in circles. We've never been here before, not in this reality, and we (including your kind) don't know how many turns this Netflix series might take.

At least you're a little more civil this time.

Whether or not you think a Marxist analysis of future tendencies is "interesting", these tendencies are objective (they exist independently of your subjective preferences).

Comparing history to a Netflix series is lightminded. Because right now, at stake is not a movie twist but the fate of humanity.

 

[zumahawk]

What are his mental health issues?

Let's not get into a debate about this but he speaks like he's losing the plot mentally. I'm sure mental health experts would be better to ask. Rambling incoherently, no filter, angry, sounds depressed etc. These can be red flags for mental health issues.

 

[GreyCrow]

He’s begging for votes now haha how pathetic

'' I need your votes or I'm gonna be in trouble ''

How about ''I need your votes because I think I am the best person to do the job - Ive done it before and I can do it again ''

 

[IlovethePies]

Let's not get into a debate about this but he speaks like he's losing the plot mentally. I'm sure mental health experts would be better to ask. Rambling incoherently, no filter, angry, sounds depressed etc. These can be red flags for mental health issues.

Generally speaking, sociopaths are mentally unwell.

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[GreyCrow]

What are his mental health issues?

An inability to distinguish between real and not real . A continued pathological need to lie and self aggrandise

Evidence of threatening behaviour when he feels behind in a conversation. A hatred of women and a pathological need to dominate women in a nasty way

The inability to distinguish between reality and fantasy is known as a delusion, and it's a symptom of delusional disorder, a serious mental illness:

• Delusional disorder
  A mental health condition that causes people to have unshakable beliefs in things that aren't real. Delusional disorder is also known as paranoid disorder.
  
  
  
• Delusions
  The main symptom of delusional disorder, delusions are unshakable beliefs in things that aren't real.
  
  
  
• Psychotic disorders
  A group of mental disorders that include delusional disorder, schizophrenia, and schizoaffective disorder. People with psychotic disorders have a distorted sense of reality and can't tell what's real from what's imagined.
  
  

Delusional disorder can be treated with psychotherapy and medication

Misogyny, or prejudice, hatred, or contempt against women or girls, can be linked to poor mental health:

• Mental health symptoms
  Hostile sexist beliefs are a significant predictor of depression, anxiety, and stress in both men and women.
  
  
  
• Health outcomes
  Misogynistic attitudes are linked to poor health outcomes for men, including depressive symptoms.
  
  
  
• Barriers to healthy lifestyles
  Sexism can prevent people from adopting healthy lifestyles that promote mental wellbeing. For example, women may avoid exercising in unsafe settings or use substances to cope with discrimination.