Autopsy US Election Day Thread - Trump 47th President of the United States

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The race is run, the winner declared!

For further discussion of the election:

USA - 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

I will be keen to watch the handover on J6 I think, Will the Bidens attend unlike Trump? Will the crowd be the biggest in history, Will there be a magical Mystery victory tour and rallies like 2016, Will he reduce his golf games and stop heading North in the Summer or home to Fl in the winter...

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For discussion of the incoming president:

Play Nice - 47th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 20: If you want Capitalism, you got it

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For discussion of the losing candidate:

USA - Kamala Harris Concedes. God Help America

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Enjoy, all!

 

[OneGreatClub]

It depends on what the national debt baloons for - if its pumping money into foreign wars or student loan forgiveness, I think that would be against his policies. If he puts money into growing the US economy, healthcare and border protection all for it.

Gas prices will come down and I'd happily chastise him if he failed to achieve that.

What about climate change. Any concern there? Child vaccination programs?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Ending wokeism is a tall order.

I guess if he fails to do so that’s probably a black mark on his presidency for his voters.

Yes and no. He can only dent it . It will take a 10 year journey to end wokeism

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

This worked well….people sick of being lectured by the Socialist elite. Dems need a new plan.

Oprah is neoliberal capitalist.

She is not a socialist.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Dunno, I’ve seen lots of supporters cry about umpires in 15 goal losses..

True that.

 

[Andre]

I don't think there has ever been a woman the repubs would put up, not in their history anyway.

Although as we have seen with the Dems now, it seems the electoral college will never allow a Democrat woman to be President.

Harris did the right thing, in not highlighting she was female, as Clinton did, but trying to overcome a strong undercurrent of sexism AND racism simultaneously is not something the US is capable of yet. Obama was able to grab almost all non-whites by mitigating his 'non-whiteness' with being a dude. It also meant he could capture a reasonable amount of white male voters.

It's a blight on their country, but the unfortunate reality is the Democrats need to run a white dude as nominee next time, regardless of whether would be considered the best candidate if everyone was race/sex blind in who they voted for. Demographics are slowly shifting to where white's will be the largest voting group, but not a majority, but it's at least another 4 or 5 election cycles, before I'd have any confidence in non-white woman getting up.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

133 pages and not one person can admit they were wrong about Harris and the Trump fans were correct ?

Just one ?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Oprah is neoliberal capitalist.

She is not a socialist.

She is an irrelevant pile of trash. Just like all celebrity endorsements

 

[OneGreatClub]

Wonder when he going to line up his perceived enemies and have them shot?
Day one, day two?

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Yes and no. He can only dent it . It will take a 10 year journey to end wokeism

Wokeism can only be dismantled by those who perpetuate it.

 

[Taylor]

inflation boom of biden

It's quite the paradox that Harris expected to walk away clean from the Biden/Harris administration as though she wasn't involved in the acts Biden wore the blame for, while also claiming that as part of her experience qualifying her for the job.

Busy Vice Presidenting on something else other than the stuff that didn't work.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Have made a list of Trump’s promises:

• no more income taxes for anyone
• permanent peace in the Middle East
• $1 gasoline that in no way will affect energy industry workers or anyone’s retirement accounts
• crime ends Jan 21
• no more doctors and medicines making us sick
• national debt paid off
• full self driving
• never another Laken Riley event
• no more shoplifting
• mass deportations will carefully and respectfully locate only serial killers

You’ll hold him to this, right Trump supporters?

Where are the tarriffs

 

[OneGreatClub]

133 pages and not one person can admit they were wrong about Harris and the Trump fans were correct ?

Just one ?

Correct about what?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

What about climate change. Any concern there? Child vaccination programs?

He will end net zero. He can’t end wokeism but he can end net zero

 

[OneGreatClub]

Where are the tarriffs

And ending the Ukraine war on day one?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Correct about what?

That he would win easily and Harris was the wrong candidate…

 

[Seeds]

It's quite the paradox that Harris expected to walk away clean from the Biden/Harris administration as though she wasn't involved in the acts Biden wore the blame for, while also claiming that as part of her experience qualifying her for the job.

Busy Vice Presidenting on something else other than the stuff that didn't work.

Yep. She didnt prepare a good answer on this.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

She is an irrelevant pile of trash. Just like all celebrity endorsements

I called one out and they just kept the angry hateful bitter trash that you would expect.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

So why do harris lose to the worlds most dangerous moron?

I cant find good answers but heres a go:

She couldnt explain inflation: never attempted to explain why her term wouldnt have the repeat of the inflation boom of biden. She needed to explain that this was supply side driven due to covid and wouldnt happen again without a new covid. Not an easy sell although trump made it easier with his inflationary tariff and deportation policies but she never really made a good argument of it or much of an attempt at all.

Charisma: she didnt have much. This is why open primaries are important.

Wokism. Men have definately turned against democrats. Mostly white men but latino and black men as well. Calling male behaviour toxic, telling low income men they are privledged, pushing affirmative action policy again male employment and telling all men they are responsible for sexual assaults is not a good campaign strategy. Progressives preached inclusiveness while making men feel excluded.

Immigration: shouldnt of unwound all of trumps border policies and should of reacted to the problem of illegal immigration more quickly. They should of expanded legal migration significantly but been absolutely tough on illegal immigration.

Education: americans clearly arent educated enough to understand the importance of democracy, supporting global allies nor how the economy works. Cant be fixed in the short run.

Gaza: not sure they could of done anything differently here. But it lost them the irrational part of the base who didnt know or care that trump was forcing democrats into their position with a looming election and will be way worse for Gaza.

I think many of these problems are also problems in australia. Albanese is in deep trouble.

I feel the big one is that you need offer economic change.

Neoliberalism has caused a lot of issues and at least offering some hope that things will be different or get better is a must (and then acting on siad changes)

The Post war consensus was killed by Neoliberal capitalism, well populism is killing Neoliberal capitalism

 

[Randomizor]

Yes and no. He can only dent it . It will take a 10 year journey to end wokeism

So first the important question then: define wokeism for me

 

[OneGreatClub]

He will end net zero. He can’t end wokeism but he can end net zero

As I thought.

 

[Crankyhawk]

He never said any of that. What he has said is far more nuanced and why events like today come as such a surprise to people like you.

Could've sworn he wanted to replace income tax with tarriffs

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Yep. She didnt prepare a good answer on this.

Not true. She didn’t answer it at all…

 

[Moonwatcher]

Anyone willing to reply to this comment to admit they were wrong by the way?

After the debate I thought it would be a landslide victory to Harris.

 

[Moonwatcher]

Could've sworn he wanted to replace income tax with tarriffs

It will never happen but was definitely mentioned.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

As I thought.

Looking forward to it.

China ending their coal push will do more for the climate then anything Net Zero can achieve