Draft Winners and Losers

[BuffDog]

Don’t have any issue with the AFL suggesting/pushing teams to have women in their rooms - hopefully as legitimate members of their recruiting teams. If that can inspire more women to pursue what is a heavily male dominated industry then it’s a good thing imo. Anyone can be a talent scout.

As for the draft I thought West Coast and Port made good selections with their picks. Richmond did well but that was to be expected, Armstrong a bonus.

I was pleased with Essendon’s draft. Kako fills our biggest weakness and we now have 2x first round and 2x second round picks to play with next year.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

It was pretty obvious Richmond did easily the best out of it, no one would begrudge them that title and they have made the absolute most of the situation they have found themselves in with injury problems, retirements, some good players wanting out etc.

What caught my eye was some of the Fox journos equating it to ‘genius’ though. Isn’t it just making the best - and they did - of the situation they were in, plus some really strange help from north Melbourne?

yes, need to normalise by the draft capital at hand

if we had 3x the capital of anyone else, did we outperform the average by 4-5x?

I think probably yes, but not trading with North early and picking up FOS at 2 may turn out to be a decade-long regret. Not sure on Faull either at the point he was taken, the others looked great value, and the North F1 trade is potentially off the scale.

 

[adammania9]

Had to laugh at Collingwood, called Sydneys bluff with big stupid grins on their faces only to end up with egg instead.
That final shot of Fly gave it away, looked more dejected than the 'free at the G' incident.

There's no way you actually believe this?

 

[cosmicwinduptoy]

Don’t have any issue with the AFL suggesting/pushing teams to have women in their rooms - hopefully as legitimate members of their recruiting teams. If that can inspire more women to pursue what is a heavily male dominated industry then it’s a good thing imo. Anyone can be a talent scout.

As for the draft I thought West Coast and Port made good selections with their picks. Richmond did well but that was to be expected, Armstrong a bonus.

I was pleased with Essendon’s draft. Kako fills our biggest weakness and we now have 2x first round and 2x second round picks to play with next year.

Why should a person be in there if it's not on merit? Very dangerous path to go down.

 

[Noidnadroj]

Let's revisit in 5 years time. I have my doubts.

Richmond got 2 of the unanimously rated best 6 x mids.

They got the KPF who most people rated as the best in Armstrong. They got another who was rated in the top few in Faull. They got the second best rated KPD in Trainor.

Then on top of that they got Hotton, Sims and Alger.

On ‘paper’ there’s almost nothing that could have gone any better with the players that were available at each pick.

Here’s a list of Richmond’s selections and then the players taken at next pick whom they had access to:

Lalor - FOS
Smillie - Travaglia
Hotton - Berry
Faull - Allan
Trainor - Dattoli
Sims - Jaques
Alger - Said

So not sure how it will turn out, but I’m over the moon we’ve got the list on the left compared to the list on the right.


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[Nostradumbass]

 

[Noidnadroj]

Never mind them even being all wrong.

Even if they only turn into role players it still won’t be enough to propel the tigers anywhere.

They need 3-4 players to turn into A graders to be looking to get anywhere.

7 x top-30 selections this year and another 2 x likely top-6 picks next year including a likely #1. Then another likely top-5 pick in 2026 as well as a mid-20’s pick.

That’s 7 x top-11 picks and 11 x top-30 picks in total across 3 x drafts.

I like the odds of getting 3-4 x A-graders from those picks. With any luck add a free agent for good measure.


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[carlton_99]

Richmond got 2 of the unanimously rated best 6 x mids.

They got the KPF who most people rated as the best in Armstrong. They got another who was rated in the top few in Faull. They got the second best rated KPD in Trainor.

Then on top of that they got Hotton, Sims and Alger.

On ‘paper’ there’s almost nothing that could have gone any better with the players that were available at each pick.

Here’s a list of Richmond’s selections and then the players taken at next pick whom they had access to:

Lalor - FOS
Smillie - Travaglia
Hotton - Berry
Faull - Allan
Trainor - Dattoli
Sims - Jaques
Alger - Said

So not sure how it will turn out, but I’m over the moon we’ve got the list on the left compared to the list on the right.


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+ the trade you did at the end of night 1. If I was a Tigers fan I'd be ecstatic

 

[H00t]

7 x top-30 selections this year and another 2 x likely top-6 picks next year including a likely #1. Then another likely top-5 pick in 2026 as well as a mid-20’s pick.

That’s 7 x top-11 picks and 11 x top-30 picks in total across 3 x drafts.

I like the odds of getting 3-4 x A-graders from those picks. With any luck add a free agent for good measure.


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You guys will need a lot more than 3-4 a graders to challenge for finals. It’s just that for what you’ve lost this year and how bad you guys are currently it’s what you’ll need to be at least competitive on field in 2-3 years.

You’ll need to hit from your picks in 2025 and 2026 as well. But each year before those players come on is another year spent at the bottom of the ladder.

 

[Elixuh]

Didn’t realise the Lions had pick 5, thought we only had picks in the 40s. So very happy that we traded down to pick 5 and got draft slider Levi Ashcroft

 

[bungalow_bill]

Didn’t realise the Lions had pick 5, thought we only had picks in the 40s. So very happy that we traded down to pick 5 and got draft slider Levi Ashcroft

Pick 5 is about right for Ashcroft not sure what all the fuss is about It's not like he was the unanimous #1 pick

 

[HairyO]

I don't understand North's thinking trading away a future first for a second rounder

Because they want success now. Not another year accumulating picks.

 

[cosmicwinduptoy]

Because they want success now. Not another year accumulating picks.

I don't think Whitlock will make a material difference to their success next year.

It's more likely that they don't rate next years draft, and see value in getting an extra year of development into a player they rate from this crop.

 

[aussierulesrules]

I don't think Whitlock will make a material difference to their success next year.

He will make 3/5ths of f-all difference.

It's more likely that they don't rate next years draft, and see value in getting an extra year of development into a player they rate from this crop.

That would be pretty foolish if so, because even if they don’t rate the pointy end right now, how many guns who were drafted high weren’t rated that highly 12 months out in previous years?

You could miss out on multiple AA types like Bont and Oliver, who didn’t really come on until after the champs in their draft years.

Even the guy they were supposedly super-keen on this year, in Tauru. He came from the clouds late. I think he might have been sub-190cm this time last year (has apparently grown 10cm in the last 18 months, and probably hasn’t finished yet).

 

[Simon Crawshay]

The thing is I don't think anyone knows bugger all about the Cats draftees and yet I just feel at least one of them will be making the AA squad in three years time.

And that absolutely sh...ts me to tears!

Just goes to show how much the footy fans and media overvalue drafting relative to development.

 

[HairyO]

I don't think Whitlock will make a material difference to their success next year.

It's more likely that they don't rate next years draft, and see value in getting an extra year of development into a player they rate from this crop.

Similar things said about us trading up to get Weddle. Many said we overpaid to move up, some considered us one of the losers of the draft.

 

[carlton_99]

I think you gave up too much for pick 3

Guess it depends on where we finish next year as a F1 + F2 was involved

 

[Godzke]

Don’t have any issue with the AFL suggesting/pushing teams to have women in their rooms - hopefully as legitimate members of their recruiting teams. If that can inspire more women to pursue what is a heavily male dominated industry then it’s a good thing imo. Anyone can be a talent scout.

As was noted in the clip, all it does is make genuine female recruiters feel tokenistic.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

As was noted in the clip, all it does is make genuine female recruiters feel tokenistic.

Not an issue worth getting upset about mate. Women follow the AFL in big numbers, it's a family game now.

 

[12kilos]

Had to laugh at Collingwood, called Sydneys bluff with big stupid grins on their faces only to end up with egg instead.
That final shot of Fly gave it away, looked more dejected than the 'free at the G' incident.

Losers
Collingwood - Got a player they may not have wanted when Sydney didn’t match their bid
Freo- Murphy Reid’s Hostage Video is troubling
Fox Draft Guy who doubled down on Essendon’s trade of pick 9 being a mistake
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You guys are hilarious! and funny!
So obviously you both had open communication with Collingwoods recruiting team & Fly on that night to come to that conclusion?
They picked a player at pick 47, what do you expect them to do handstands and cartwheels? and be ecstatic with emmotion.

 

[Faz 2000]

I think the only way to settle this is throw all the players drafted this year into some kind of pool, then let the teams pick them, one at a time, in the reverse order of the ladder from last year.

 

[Mat Mann]

Don’t have any issue with the AFL suggesting/pushing teams to have women in their rooms - hopefully as legitimate members of their recruiting teams. If that can inspire more women to pursue what is a heavily male dominated industry then it’s a good thing imo. Anyone can be a talent scout.

As for the draft I thought West Coast and Port made good selections with their picks. Richmond did well but that was to be expected, Armstrong a bonus.

I was pleased with Essendon’s draft. Kako fills our biggest weakness and we now have 2x first round and 2x second round picks to play with next year.

it's insulting to have a token woman for the sake of having one, if they are there legitimately, then by all means, but they're not

 

[btdg]

7 x top-30 selections this year and another 2 x likely top-6 picks next year including a likely #1. Then another likely top-5 pick in 2026 as well as a mid-20’s pick.

That’s 7 x top-11 picks and 11 x top-30 picks in total across 3 x drafts.

I like the odds of getting 3-4 x A-graders from those picks. With any luck add a free agent for good measure.


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You might be right, but it is still a LONG road ahead from here.

Carlton had the following from 2015-2017:

• 6x top 10 picks
• 10x total picks in the top 30 across 3 drafts
• Alongside this, traded for 7 other players who had been top 10 draft picks in the preceding 4 drafts

We started with 20 year-old Patrick Cripps and 22 year-old Sam Docherty on the list as well, and an equivalent core of veteran midfielders to Richmond (Murphy/Gibbs = Taranto/Hopper for example).

And we absolutely nailed 2015 as well (Weitering/Curnow/McKay).

And a decade later - one prelim final, two finals appearances, and... it is a long road.

The hardest part is developing those players who are going to be losing a lot, and badly, early in their career. How do those midfielders learn to win games when many weeks they are just trying to keep it below 50 points. How do you even evaluate players and pick the right team each week? We did have COVID blow everything to the shizen (and at just the wrong point in the development for those young guys).

On paper, I think Richmond did everything right there, and made all the right picks. Good luck from here...

 

[TheWoodenSlug]

Hocking would demand that each team had at least one person standing in the war rooms

Hocking would demand that each team had at least one of Geelong's recruiting staff in their war room

 

[tiger_tough]

We did okay.

It'll go down as an infamous draft for us, one way or the other....