Rumour 2024 Rumours and Speculation Part 3

[Vader]

The only way we get depth now is to put games into the right players. Smith could have been made our SANFL captain like Wright was.

... except that they couldn't.

The club blundered by selecting Smith for enough games to reach his contract trigger, which happened relatively early in the season. Once that happened, their hands were tied. They were contractually bound to extend his contract for 2025, and they couldn't afford to pay him out in the 2024 salary cap because they'd already filled it by bringing forward payments for future years. Bringing those payments forward allowed them to make winning offers to ANB, Peatling and Cumming.

There was no option to put him on our SANFL list once he achieved that contract trigger. It's pure speculation as to whether or not he would have agreed to that, even if it was a possibility - I guess we'll find out next year.

 

[adelaidecrows]

The only way we get depth now is to put games into the right players. Smith could have been made our SANFL captain like Wright was.

In the best draft, with the best depth in years, we went in with 2 selections (well one because one was a F/S) because we couldn't act like this was a business and not a social club. We have not succeeded for a long, long time and this was an opportunity to say the club comes first...

I think you are seeking a negative where there isnt one. Just goes to show the club cant please everyone.

 

[adelaidecrows]

... except that they couldn't.

The club blundered by selecting Smith for enough games to reach his contract trigger, which happened relatively early in the season. Once that happened, their hands were tied. They were contractually bound to extend his contract for 2025, and they couldn't afford to pay him out in the 2024 salary cap because they'd already filled it by bringing forward payments for future years. Bringing those payments forward allowed them to make winning offers to ANB, Peatling and Cumming.

Its not a blunder. the minute you tie selection to contracts is the minute we dont seek to succeed. this narrative by some is literally absurd. You not ever, not once, compromise selection. OMG I cant believe this has to be spelled out.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Wow it got negative quick. Calm the farm people!

 

[Vader]

Its not a blunder. the minute you tie selection to contracts is the minute we dont seek to succeed. this narrative by some is literally absurd. You not ever, not once, compromise selection. OMG I cant believe this has to be spelled out.

It's actually the reverse of what you're suggesting - they weren't tying selection to contracts, so much as tying his contract to his ongoing selection.

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with having trigger points in a contract, triggering an automatic contract extension. It's normal business. If a player's body is holding up well enough, then (all other things being equal) there's no reason not to give them the extension. The object here is to avoid being stuck with a player whose body has broken down, and it's completely normal for this type of thing to be written into AFL contracts.

If they had selected him deliberately to get him to the trigger point, then you'd have a valid point. But that's just fanciful, rarely (if ever) happens, and certainly didn't in Smith's case.

The fundamental problem was selecting him, despite clear evidence that his form had disappeared as a result of Old Man Time tapping him on the shoulder, thereby allowing him to reach the trigger point.

 

[adelaidecrows]

It's actually the reverse of what you're suggesting - they weren't tying selection to contracts, so much as tying his contract to his ongoing selection.

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with having trigger points in a contract, triggering an automatic contract extension. It's normal business. If a player's body is holding up well enough, then (all other things being equal) there's no reason not to give them the extension. The object here is to avoid being stuck with a player whose body has broken down, and it's completely normal for this type of thing to be written into AFL contracts.

If they had selected him deliberately to get him to the trigger point, then you'd have a valid point. But that's just fanciful, rarely (if ever) happens, and certainly didn't in Smith's case.

The fundamental problem was selecting him, despite clear evidence that his form had disappeared as a result of Old Man Time tapping him on the shoulder, thereby allowing him to reach the trigger point.

Nicks selection philosophies though is to pick the most experienced and mature bodies. So it was always going to happen.

 

[Vader]

Nicks selection philosophies though is to pick the most experienced and mature bodies. So it was always going to happen.

They dropped him a week later. There was nothing inevitable about it.

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[spenze]

... except that they couldn't.

The club blundered by selecting Smith for enough games to reach his contract trigger,

No shit Sherlock, it's the point I am making.

Everyone in AFL land knew it was a deep, deep draft and we went in with basically, one pick and we did that on the back of giving a charity year on a guy who proved during the year, that the game had gone past him,

It was the right thing to do though because we are all about rewarding players and not the club. Its that same philosophy that gets us keeping Davis for seven years instead of actually trying to get better.,

 

[spenze]

I think you are seeking a negative where there isnt one. Just goes to show the club cant please everyone.

You can't see a negative in keeping a guy where we are strong in a position, which forces us out from a position we are weak in...seriously?

 

[AFC979810]

The club blundered by selecting Smith for enough games to reach his contract trigger, which happened relatively early in the season. Once that happened, their hands were tied. They were contractually bound to extend his contract for 2025, and they couldn't afford to pay him out in the 2024 salary cap because they'd already filled it by bringing forward payments for future years. Bringing those payments forward allowed them to make winning offers to ANB, Peatling and Cumming.

So if we cut him after the 2024 season, his 2025 salary would have gone against the 2024 Cap? That doesn't sound right.

 

[adelaidecrows]

You can't see a negative in keeping a guy where we are strong in a position, which forces us out from a position we are weak in...seriously?

And if he comes out and stars?

 

[George CantStandYa]

... except that they couldn't.

The club blundered by selecting Smith for enough games to reach his contract trigger, which happened relatively early in the season. Once that happened, their hands were tied. They were contractually bound to extend his contract for 2025, and they couldn't afford to pay him out in the 2024 salary cap because they'd already filled it by bringing forward payments for future years. Bringing those payments forward allowed them to make winning offers to ANB, Peatling and Cumming.

There was no option to put him on our SANFL list once he achieved that contract trigger. It's pure speculation as to whether or not he would have agreed to that, even if it was a possibility - I guess we'll find out next year.

Stop speaking with authority on something you have no clue about or at least start with IMO.

 

[George CantStandYa]

And if he comes out and stars?

Look, your posting on this is idiotic.

No negative? No negative in keeping a bloke who was cooked last year, finished in the SANFL and meaning we had 2 list spots in a deep draft.

First off you start with list management didn’t think the draft was strong.

Now this cooked player might star? Really?

Who you playing him ahead of? Cumming, Hinge, Milera, Nank, Laird? Why wouldn’t you want to get games into Edwards or Ryan ahead of Smith?

You wanted this discussion to end, suggest you’re the one who needs to walk away.

 

[George CantStandYa]

So if we cut him after the 2024 season, his 2025 salary would have gone against the 2024 Cap? That doesn't sound right.

And he’s working on some basis that we had zero cap space.

 

[AFC979810]

And he’s working on some basis that we had zero cap space.

Yeah. Its the tough thing about his posting.

He says everything as though its 100% certified fact even though half of it is B.S

 

[George CantStandYa]

Yeah. Its the tough thing about his posting.

He says everything as though its 100% certified fact even though half of it is B.S

The other part is we could have strongly encouraged Smith to retire:

“I’m sorry Brodie, the games gone past you, you finished the year in the SANFL and that’s where you will play next year if you stay on. We’ve recruited Cumming, Milera is coming back, Laird is playing defence, you’re behind Hinge and Nank, Bond will play in defence, Edwards and Ryan will be selected ahead of you. So whilst you’ve triggered a new contract, let’s make a settlement, you can play on our SANFL list with some development coaching and we will top up your salary”

Instead we got Nicks:

“Smith is a big part of our future”

w***er.

 

[1970crow]

I’d say their playing ability was quite neck and neck, but if we’re considering where they rank among our greats, there’s two factors that edge Sloane above Laird

• He’s a far better leader and significant clubman
• Unfortunately for Laird it’s completely circumstantial, but we were far more competitive as a club through Sloane’s peak. Laird was great 16 and 17 yes, but was mostly a gun during the club’s lowest period.

Sloane was a crap leader and never put the club ahead of himself. And outside of 16 and 17, when were we genuinely competitive during Sloane's peak?

 

[1970crow]

If Smith wants to be a coach, make him out sanfl captain & he can be the on field coach.

Should only play AFL if we have plenty of players unavailable.

If he wants to be a coach he could have retired and taken a coaching gig. Not sure how hanging on for an extra year playing SANFL aligns with a coaching ambition. Look at Dmac, we stupidly offered him another year and he said 'no, I'm off to begin my coaching career'.

 

[AFC979810]

Look at Dmac, we stupidly offered him another year and he said 'no, I'm off to begin my coaching career'.

Team man and club legend.

 

[1970crow]

The other part is we could have strongly encouraged Smith to retire:

“I’m sorry Brodie, the games gone past you, you finished the year in the SANFL and that’s where you will play next year if you stay on. We’ve recruited Cumming, Milera is coming back, Laird is playing defence, you’re behind Hinge and Nank, Bond will play in defence, Edwards and Ryan will be selected ahead of you. So whilst you’ve triggered a new contract, let’s make a settlement, you can play on our SANFL list with some development coaching and we will top up your salary”

Instead we got Nicks:

“Smith is a big part of our future”

w***er.

Unfortunately, before we were able to have that convo, Smith went public with his keenness to play on in 2025. And we're nothing if not a very weak organisation. Smith knew which card to play, just another selfish senior player that puts themself ahead of the club. And that's ok, I'd likely have done the same thing, but I wouldn't expect to be described as a leader or good club man.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Look, your posting on this is idiotic.

No negative? No negative in keeping a bloke who was cooked last year, finished in the SANFL and meaning we had 2 list spots in a deep draft.

First off you start with list management didn’t think the draft was strong.

Now this cooked player might star? Really?

Who you playing him ahead of? Cumming, Hinge, Milera, Nank, Laird? Why wouldn’t you want to get games into Edwards or Ryan ahead of Smith?

You wanted this discussion to end, suggest you’re the one who needs to walk away.

Wow, what's your problem man. Ok dude. Smith is shit. We all got to agree with the great GK or we cop abuse. That it? **** me like take a break man and chill.

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[FR0GGY]

Team man and club legend.

No doubt he was a great team man, I know you’re taking the piss with the legend bit.
He certainly looked like he could have been one in 2009, shame he never reached those heights again though.
He speaks brilliantly, so no surprises if he makes a great coach.

 

[1970crow]

Team man and club legend.

Was a great speaker, no surprise he's doing well in his post playing career. I just can't understand how hanging on for a pity year aligns with having coaching aspirations.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Guys you need to chill. Why so ****ing aggressive against people who dare go against the narrative of smith being so shit.

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[FR0GGY]

Guys you need to chill. Why so ****ing aggressive against people who dare go against the narrative of smith being so shit.

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That’s not the point though.
He’s not shit, he’s cooked and the consequences to keeping him were more than just having someone on our list.