Strategy Changes: Round 4 Fremantle vs. Western Bulldogs

[Minz]

He's literally the only ex-player I can think of who is genuinely disliked by a few players at the club who normally don't have a bad word to say about anyone.

Always seemed a bit of a lost soul to me.

 

[dominguez]

Just threw this hypothetical out there to a couple of work colleagues this morning.

Say Voss gets his act together this weekend and it all clicks for him and he and JT kick 5 each.

Do we keep him in the team when Swaggy comes back against the Tiges and if so, who gets dropped?

Darcy will need more than one run at Peel.

But apart from gal kicking Voss has had more of the footy than Amiss.

If Voss kicks a bag before Darcy is ready to return it makes life difficult for match committee.

 

[dominguez]

It's not like Bevo was rife with other options. If Allen towled up Amiss or Treacy on Sunday would we be calling McQualter a super coach?
Not one person on here on anywhere else to my knowledge was advocating for Lobb to go back. JLo has his limitations but you can't judge him on this with the benefit of hindsight.

Could say the same for Freo last year with Chapman, Cox, Pearce and McDonald missing a lot of footy.

Did we try Voss/Amiss/Treacy/Sturt/Jackson back?

 

[Purple Suit]

Darcy will need more than one run at Peel.

But apart from gal kicking Voss has had more of the footy than Amiss.

If Voss kicks a bag before Darcy is ready to return it makes life difficult for match committee.

Not really, Voss has butchered it and played up the ground more plus ruck. Amiss has been playing deeper so less possessions but has been building. The Amiss bag in the Derby has put on hold any difficult decisions.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

Could say the same for Freo last year with Chapman, Cox, Pearce and McDonald missing a lot of footy.

Did we try Voss/Amiss/Treacy/Sturt/Jackson back?

Im sorry, but this is a ridiculous argument. We were third on the ladder until we lost a key forward, number one ruck, and a key back.
I'm happy for Lobb and the Bulldogs that it worked out for them, but it has no bearing whatsoever on JL or his coaching.

 

[swanny1234]

Im sorry, but this is a ridiculous argument. We were third on the ladder until we lost a key forward, number one ruck, and a key back.
I'm happy for Lobb and the Bulldogs that it worked out for them, but it has no bearing whatsoever on JL or his coaching.

Lobb was struggling as a forward at Freo.. it surprises me that Longmuir never even considered it whilst he was here.

 

[EastcoastDocker]

Griffin Logue had to play forward because we had too many key backs. It's unfair to criticise JL for not playing lobb back. If there's a criticism of JLs lack of imagination in his use of players it should be the lack of creativity with Jackson.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

Lobb was struggling as a forward at Freo.. it surprises me that Longmuir never even considered it whilst he was here.

Lobb was structurally our most important player forward of the ball. I maintain this a ridiculous hindsight excuse to pile on.

Unless you want to show me your posts from the time calling for Lobb to play defence? Then I'll happily concede the point.

You'd also have to believe Tabs could have carried us beyond a semi final of course.

 

[Taylor]

You'd be looking for a time when Lobb wasn't our most productive forward, we had tall forwards in the WAFL just gagging for an opportunity and the key defenders were injured. The last one should be easiest to find. I think the other forwards did not exist.

Treacy kicked 1 goal in 2022. Amiss missed most of the year to injury, kicked 4. Taberner was 28 and our 5th highest goal kicker for the year at 23.

 

[DeanS]

Lobb was struggling as a forward at Freo.. it surprises me that Longmuir never even considered it whilst he was here.

How do you know Longmuir didn't consider it?

 

[Purple Suit]

Could say the same for Freo last year with Chapman, Cox, Pearce and McDonald missing a lot of footy.

Did we try Voss/Amiss/Treacy/Sturt/Jackson back?

We tried Draper instead and he turned out great. Davies got a go too and we still had a key back who didn’t get a game in the two’s. It seems our list management is a bit more balanced than the Bulldogs or maybe it’s just stacked with KPD’s so even 3 injuries means we have cover.

Jojo from the restump podcast was calling for Treacy to move back before we gave Draper a crack. He then turned into the Beast in front of our eyes. Sometimes not making the big move pays massive dividends too.

 

[Taylor]

How do you know Longmuir didn't consider it?

It would be about as likely as JL considering if Alex Pearce should line up as a forward now.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

I'm not usually combative, but this is as stupid an argument as saying Amiss should play on the wing because Richo came third in the Brownlow when Danny Frawley threw him there 15 years ago.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

Anyway, who's gonna shut down Libba? Johnson, Fyfe?

 

[Mags98]

Just goes to show how stubborn and unimaginative JLo is as a coach. He never would’ve even considered sending Lobb back.

why would he? Lobb was a very solid forward and ruck chop out for us in a time when we were desperate for a key forward and had good stocks down back. what a strange criticism to make

 

[dont bowl there]

Anyway, who's gonna shut down Libba? Johnson, Fyfe?

Our game plan should negate him, we are a clearance beast of a team so let's just take him out using our strength. The tag should go to one of the runners like Dale or Richards IMO, they are more likely to hurt our style.

 

[Mags98]

no bont should have us +35 disposals and 3 goals on our regular form against the doggies.

libbas a beast but theyll be down two of their main movers in the guts so our boys should be able to dominate the middle which is basically our only chance at winning this game. Dale should be tagged as well to limit their rebound off the half back. double team darcy and let naughton spray them all night

 

[Purple Pills]

Banfield didn’t do much wrong on Sunday.

He didn't do alot right either? The one memory I have of his game is when he put a fairly regulation snap for a left footer out on the full.

 

[freo_leo29]

Only because JOM didn't play, he had the role on Heeney the week before who is a far better player than Reid. I'd probably go JOM on Libba.

Johnson trained for that role all pre season

I mentioned to watch out for it in pre season threads

 

[rubydoomsday]

Our game plan should negate him, we are a clearance beast of a team so let's just take him out using our strength. The tag should go to one of the runners like Dale or Richards IMO, they are more likely to hurt our style.

this. they're good in the transition.

two of their strongest ball-winners are out and, when focused, our clearance game is good.

it's their movement we have to negate, not the contest at stoppage; we're always in that (with Treloar and Bont out, Macrae gone to Saints).

we stop them moving inside to out we're right in this.

 

[FreoRicci]

Lobb was struggling as a forward at Freo.. it surprises me that Longmuir never even considered it whilst he was here.

Struggling? Hardly. He was doing well. Career high in goals, contested marks.
The structure was around him and Tabs.

 

[Purpletown]

Libba is not overly fast but he is as tough as nails and has very good endurance. Keep him under control and we will go a long way towards winning this game.

I would like to see Jonno tag him from the start of the game.

 

[dockerfemme]

Our game plan should negate him, we are a clearance beast of a team so let's just take him out using our strength. The tag should go to one of the runners like Dale or Richards IMO, they are more likely to hurt our style.

Without Darcy, Young and Fyfe (or another big body), I am not sure we are a clearance beast of a team. Lost the clearances to Sydney quite badly, marginal win for clearances against Geelong and big win last week for what that is worth. I guess we might see on Sunday.

 

[dont bowl there]

Without Darcy, Young and Fyfe (or another big body), I am not sure we are a clearance beast of a team. Lost the clearances to Sydney quite badly, marginal win for clearances against Geelong and big win last week for what that is worth. I guess we might see on Sunday.

Well then we are ****ed either way against the Dogs. If we put too much time into Libba they will absolutely carve us on the outside. Our game style revolves around winning the clearances and I haven't seen a plan B from JLo yet.

 

[Dale147]