Nash on Miers

[Lavender Bushranger]

It clearly was by the sheer fact that the Geelong players barely remonstrated.

People in here saying it was a clear deliberate strike have their hand on it.

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What I can't work out, is what the f**k Nash was trying to achieve with that action?

What footy act is performed by swinging your arm at that trajectory and angle?

I heard someone saying something about the ball being there. WTF?? What on earth would you achieve by round arming the footy??!

Strange stuff.

I'd be Ok to accept that it wasn't just a complete brain fade where he intentionally clobbered the bloke - if there was some reasonable alternative explanation for what Nash was actually trying to do?

 

[Sirlemsip]

Let's just boil it down to the facts and what everybody agrees on:

• Definitely 'severe' impact
• Definitely 'high' contact

So, the main point of contention is whether it was 'careless' or 'intentional'.

Points for 'careless':

• Myers has possession of the ball
• Arguably is trying to smack the ball out of Myers' hands
• Hand is open and contact is made with the arm to the head
• Immediate hands up 'apology' from Nash
• Minimal remonstration from Geelong players in the immediate vicinity

Points for 'intentional':

• Swinging of the arm from that position seems an awkward way to affect dispossession of the ball
• Could have chosen to tackle instead of swing an arm

Only the most nuffie Hawks supporters are trying to argue anything less than 3 weeks.

I think 5 or 6 weeks is excessive in the circumstances.

A reasonable assessment of the whole situation suggests that 4 weeks seems to be about right.

If it is 3 weeks, Hawks fans will be happy, most opposition supporters will be angry.
If it is 5 weeks, Hawks fans will be angry, some opposition supporters will be happy.
4 weeks seems to be a middle ground that most people would accept without being particularly aggrieved.

 

[Tugga27]

Going o the tribunal methinks.

AFL will be asking for 4.

 

[cryptor]

3-4 weeks is about right.

Calls that it was deliberate/intentional are emotional and frankly brain-dead takes.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

3-4 weeks is about right.

Calls that it was deliberate/intentional are emotional and frankly brain-dead takes.

Not really.

He 'intentionally' threw a roundarm at an opposition player.
He could have tackled.

Did he intend to knock him out, unlikely, but he did through his 'conduct', which was intentional.

 

[Jatz]

Should be 6. If they want to take CTE seriously, they can't have players wiping other players out like that.

It's not a football action and has no part being in the game.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

3-4 weeks is about right.

Calls that it was deliberate/intentional are emotional and frankly brain-dead takes.

What on earth was he doing then. And if you say trying to knock the ball out of his hands then your take will also be a brain dead take…

 

[Chism]

3-4 weeks is about right.

Calls that it was deliberate/intentional are emotional and frankly brain-dead takes.

 

[lordbob]

Huh? Vlastuin had the ball and Voss was trying to tackle him with what appeared to be a motion gone very wrong to chop down a fend off. It was a very crude attempt and worthy of 2 weeks. Nowhere near as bad as what Nash did.

Miers had the ball and Nash was right next to him. Took 1 step to tackle and tried to knock the ball from his hands while tackling him.

 

[lordbob]

Gaff didn't mean to chin Brayshaw either. In fact a lot of players given heavy suspensions didn't mean to hurt the oppo, doesn't change the fact that Nash hit Miers with a swinging round arm - non football action and knocked him out cold.

I can remember Danger getting 3 or 4 weeks for choosing to bump an Adelaide player once. I can remember Stewart getting 4 weeks for a mis-timed spoil and knocking out Dion Prestia. All fair whacks because while the intent to injure wasn't there, they did in fact injure the opponent.

The Hawthorn brigades defence of Nash is pretty weird, he is barely even in your best 22 anyway. The strangest thing to me is that he isn't the only Hawthorn player to do it this year. I wonder if the 'mouthguards at training' talk is leading to players thinking round arms to heads is what is expected of them on the field

Scrimshaw got suspended 3 weeks ago for 3 weeks for pretty much the same thing as Nash except scrimshaws was worse cos the player had already disposed of the ball.

 

[lordbob]

I can't see it being graded as careless instead of intentional. He was trying to make contact with a swinging arm and Miers' head wasn't lowering.

The fact that the hit concussed him before he hit the turf makes it unquestionably Severe.

If someone is concussed, it is automatically graded as severe. That is not up for debate. There is no wiggle room there.

But it was in no way intentional. To suggest so is delusional. Miers had the ball. Nash's swing just missed the ball by a split second. Nash's other arm is wrapping around miers to tackle him. Nash was standing next to miners, 1 step away before miers took possession of the ball. Ludicrous to suggest it was an intentional king hit.

edit: phone kept autocorrecting miers to miners

 

[lordbob]

Take the emotion out of it and follow the matrix.

Will it be intentional or careless?
Was the impact Severe? High? Medium? Low?

Go from there, I reckon it’s 2 weeks but that’s just my opinion.


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It's severe, high, careless = 3 weeks.
Has to be severe due to concussion. That's the way they adjudicate anything that results in concussion.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

If someone is concussed, it is automatically graded as severe. That is not up for debate. There is no wiggle room there.

But it was in no way intentional. To suggest so is delusional. Miners had the ball. Nash's swing just missed the ball by a split second. Nash's other arm is wrapping around miners to tackle him. Nash was standing next to miners, 1 step away before miners took possession of the ball. Ludicrous to suggest it was an intentional king hit.

Who swings their arm at the ball like that?? What would that achieve?

I've never seen anyone roundarm the footy. It makes no sense.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

It cannot only be 3.
Miers will miss the next fortnight.

I'm thinking it's longer for Gryan. I think Gryan will miss more games than Nash

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Scrimshaw got suspended 3 weeks ago for 3 weeks for pretty much the same thing as Nash except scrimshaws was worse cos the player had already disposed of the ball.

So we can assume they are practicing it at training considering its happened twice in quick succession?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

This one cuts me real deep because I like Nash and wanted cats to get him in the last trade period. He does come across as a great guy.

But that hit though. Saying he is trying to hit the ball doesn't make sense because he'd be connecting with it on his bicep if at all. That's not trying to hit the ball, and if he did it would be accidental contact with the ball.

Then you're saying it's a tackle, but the height he swung his arm at was always above the shoulder. Like at no point was he ever hitting anything other than Gryans head. So it can't be unintentional.

I think it should be intentional, high, severe.

 

[Purple Suit]

It's severe, high, careless = 3 weeks.
Has to be severe due to concussion. That's the way they adjudicate anything that results in concussion.

Severe, high, deliberate = 4 weeks unless sent to the tribunal.

Seems pretty fair. He was too close to punch the ball with his fist as he closed the distance to the player with his momentum. No doubt he was trying to check him in the chest but was still deliberately hitting him.

Voss swung his arm into a tackle and grabbed Vlaustin in the process of clipping his nose. Both deserve suspensions but Nash needs to get more than 3 to be consistent as they graded the force the same.

 

[lordbob]

Severe, high, deliberate = 4 weeks unless sent to the tribunal.

Seems pretty fair. He was too close to punch the ball with his fist as he closed the distance to the player with his momentum. No doubt he was trying to check him in the chest but was still deliberately hitting him.

Voss swung his arm into a tackle and grabbed Vlaustin in the process of clipping his nose. Both deserve suspensions but Nash needs to get more than 3 to be consistent as they graded the force the same.

You just contradicted yourself. You say "no doubt he was trying to check him in the chest." then you say he deliberately hit him in the head. Which one is it? If he is trying to hit him in the chest and gets him in the head then its careless. If he is deliberately trying to hit him in the head and hits him in the head then its deliberate. Miers has the ball, Nash is allowed to tackle him / sing his arm into Mier's body. He is not allowed to do it to the head. Yes nash deliberately swung his arm. But he didnt deliberately swing it at mier's head. That was careless.

 

[lordbob]

So we can assume they are practicing it at training considering its happened twice in quick succession?

Sure, if thats how you read it. All teams practice giving away free kicks aswell because they happen in quick succession.

 

[HeHateMe]

This one cuts me real deep because I like Nash and wanted cats to get him in the last trade period. He does come across as a great guy.

But that hit though. Saying he is trying to hit the ball doesn't make sense because he'd be connecting with it on his bicep if at all. That's not trying to hit the ball, and if he did it would be accidental contact with the ball.

Then you're saying it's a tackle, but the height he swung his arm at was always above the shoulder. Like at no point was he ever hitting anything other than Gryans head. So it can't be unintentional.

I think it should be intentional, high, severe.

To me it looked like he was trying to get arm across/body check, take the running path. Tbh just watched the footage again and it didn't look like he was looking directly at Miers more so could see a cats player in his peripherals and threw his arm out.

What he did was dangerous and reckless and careless but not intentional. it shouldn't matter anyway he will get weeks for it. Glad to hear Miers is okay.

 

[kickazz]

3-4 weeks is about right.

Calls that it was deliberate/intentional are emotional and frankly brain-dead takes.

What was his intention?

 

[Purple Suit]

You just contradicted yourself. You say "no doubt he was trying to check him in the chest." then you say he deliberately hit him in the head. Which one is it? If he is trying to hit him in the chest and gets him in the head then its careless. If he is deliberately trying to hit him in the head and hits him in the head then its deliberate. Miers has the ball, Nash is allowed to tackle him / sing his arm into Mier's body. He is not allowed to do it to the head. Yes nash deliberately swung his arm. But he didnt deliberately swing it at mier's head. That was careless.

He's allowed to tackle, striking isn't allowed. It doesn't matter if he was aiming for the chest and he hit him in the head. He still threw the arm bar so it's irrelevant.

The force he did it meant he could have been charged for a body hit had winded him for instance.

 

[Boxhead_31]

Straight to the tribunal he goes

 

[hawkman]

Straight to the tribunal he goes

They could have just announced that last night

 

[The 747]

Plays for a big vic club not a non vic club so probably 2 weeks even though:
it should be 6 weeks if Voss got 3
Miers got concussed where as Vlaustin had a blood nose

Wow managed to open a thread about an incident in a Geelong Hawthorn game with #VICBIAS.

I suggest therapy for you.