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[Sam The Doc]

What compensation would we get for that kind of deal, would have to be a crazy amount!

Shows how dumb St Kilda are... How about fix your ordinary midfield lol

 

[SpiritOfCarlton]

There are also the 50 plus years as a past player to consider.

If you are a well loved long term player at a big club like Carlton you will have 50 years of freebies, connections and employment and business opportunities.

If he leaves, a lot of those bridges will be burnt and he will have to rely on the network of a much smaller club which will be a lot lower over those 50+ years.

 

[DangerousD]

He was talking about “big clubs like Carlton”.

Why would reiwoldt say it if there wasn’t some truth - as a recently retired premiership player?

How many players leave Carlton of their free will & why?

It’s something that gets thrown around a lot and for as long as i can remember, but it doesnt seem to be backed up by anything.

Players generally leave any club for a small amount of reasons, opportunity, money and relocation.

Not many players leave Carlton of their own free will and id say this would be the same for most clubs.

If players were to make lots more money post football if they played at one of the big VIC clubs, then id expect to see a lot more players trying to get to this clubs.

 

[Sam The Doc]

Not sure how much my life would be different if I had $10M instead of $6M dollars?

The marginal benefit of each additional dollar actually decreases the higher things get.

How many ivory backscratchers can you buy until you are sick of it?

Money makes people go cray! Making more money also can make people sad, so good luck TDK with your decision...
I feel like we'd need to make some tough decisions if TDK stayed also.

 

[JustaBattler]

There's options but Essendon and maybe WCE will be in the queue ahead of us.

Not even close.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Not sure how much my life would be different if I had $10M instead of $6M dollars?

The marginal benefit of each additional dollar actually decreases the higher things get.

How many ivory backscratchers can you buy until you are sick of it?

$10m & $6m could be a pretty big difference because you could put $5m on a nice house without going crazy. But $10m to $17m and it comes down to how much do you want to set your kids up.

 

[Doro]

It probably depends on if our season gains momentum from this point or reverts back to the disappointment of the first 4 rounds. Wouldn't blame him for moving if we end up a bottom 4 side.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Not even close.

To what?

 

[DangerousD]

The only reason I will begrudge TDK, is most players who leave on monster deals, have put up multiple good seasons for their previous club.

TDK hasnt. Even if he is AA this year, he's essentially been paid on potential every year of his career before this one. Finally he comes on and leaves for money straight away.

Good luck to him but doesnt deserve any thanks for his service. We've paid and invested alot more in him, then he has given back to the club at this point.

Also, people are saying you can't refuse that type of money but in actual fact plenty of players have and stayed loyal to their clubs. Saints have been throwing ridiculous money around for years and nobody has bitten. If TDK does, it does say something about him. Doesn't make him a bad person. Just not a particularly loyal one.

This one seems different to me, everytime we offered big money to recruits, it seemed they stayed for similar deals or slight unders, there hasn’t been many cases i can remember that people have been offered such a big discrepancy from club to club.

$3.5M difference over the course of the deal is crazy

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

So does anyone know of good rucks in any of the other leagues that would be worth investing in for the next 18 months?

Can you believe this dude is only 25yo, only a month older than TDK?!?!

Not sure if he's in our wheelhouse, but dominant at state league level. Reckon he's a bit of a monty to end up with the dopers in the MSD given their ruck crisis.

 

[DangerousD]

What compensation would we get for that kind of deal, would have to be a crazy amount!

Shows how dumb St Kilda are... How about fix your ordinary midfield lol

Band 1, a single pick after our original Round 1 pick, so currently pick 7

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

There are also the 50 plus years as a past player to consider.

If you are a well loved long term player at a big club like Carlton you will have 50 years of freebies, connections and employment and business opportunities.

If he leaves, a lot of those bridges will be burnt and he will have to rely on the network of a much smaller club which will be a lot lower over those 50+ years.

He could end up selling dodgy footballs for Toot Toot Nixon

 

[Monty1978]

It depends what you want to do in life. Some people want to move on from football and out of the public eye. If that’s the case then it wouldn’t matter where they end up. Every club has enough networks to set you up if you want to. I have a family friend at GWS who would be the least connected club and they have had more doors open for them than they could possibly ever need.
Also the extra money we are talking for TDK is guaranteed. Nothing tops that

I agree with this and TDK isn’t the type to be in the media or wanting to work to hard .. just comes across like he loves the beach and surfing and 4 extra mil will come in handy when he retires

 

[CCurnow3picks]

It’s something that gets thrown around a lot and for as long as i can remember, but it doesnt seem to be backed up by anything.

Players generally leave any club for a small amount of reasons, opportunity, money and relocation.

Not many players leave Carlton of their own free will and id say this would be the same for most clubs.

If players were to make lots more money post football if they played at one of the big VIC clubs, then id expect to see a lot more players trying to get to this clubs.

Why would a recently retired player like Jack Reiwoldt make such a strong point of it, when asked if TDK will stay/go?

Our opinions aside - he’s a recently retired premiership player from a big club who may know something about it first hand.

Clubs like Carlton, Collingwood, Richmond, Essendon rarely lose players they want to keep , rebuilds & drug saga’s aside!

Plenty of good players are traded, more & more each year.

TDK may well walk - I hope he doesn’t.

But I’d like to know more about what Reiwoldt said about earning capacity of players post career in big clubs.

There may be something to it.

 

[Sam The Doc]

Band 1, a single pick after our original Round 1 pick, so currently pick 7

HELL... So essentially could end up with as much compo as saints got for Battle... Cool....

 

[mochacinolatte]

Not sure how much my life would be different if I had $10M instead of $6M dollars?

The marginal benefit of each additional dollar actually decreases the higher things get.

How many ivory backscratchers can you buy until you are sick of it?

??? Are you serious. 4mill is a lot of money.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Not sure how much my life would be different if I had $10M instead of $6M dollars?

The marginal benefit of each additional dollar actually decreases the higher things get.

How many ivory backscratchers can you buy until you are sick of it?

He's got 13 siblings & 2 parents to look after a bit, probably (or would like to in some capacity).

Also as Forty said, if he does his knee or something there's a chance he won't be a Premiership player anywhere, fade into obscurity and I'll guarantee you no club could give a shit about giving him freebies post-career then.

It is annoying for us - we've invested a lot into him and paid him on potential, so it's a shame. But it's a risky business, this pro sport stuff.

 

[mochacinolatte]

If TDK decides to stay and turns down that much money. I won't ever say a bad thing about him again. What are people smoking on this thread.

 

[Schoonerman]

Didn’t Weiters turn down just as much ??

 

[agro]

There are also the 50 plus years as a past player to consider.

If you are a well loved long term player at a big club like Carlton you will have 50 years of freebies, connections and employment and business opportunities.

If he leaves, a lot of those bridges will be burnt and he will have to rely on the network of a much smaller club which will be a lot lower over those 50+ years.

Ask Aaron Hammil how he feels - currently he's working as an Assistant Coach at Carlton - after having went for the money to Shit Kilda over 20 year ago - doesn't look like he was too looked after in life after football at Shit Kilda.

 

[RAPPA]

Didn’t Weiters turn down just as much ??

Poor Weiters probably negotiated an immediate sign on payment given he got scammed sums of money around that time.

 

[ajs071]

Can you believe this dude is only 25yo, only a month older than TDK?!?!

Not sure if he's in our wheelhouse, but dominant at state league level. Reckon he's a bit of a monty to end up with the dopers in the MSD given their ruck crisis.

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[katmanblue]

There are also the 50 plus years as a past player to consider.

If you are a well loved long term player at a big club like Carlton you will have 50 years of freebies, connections and employment and business opportunities.

If he leaves, a lot of those bridges will be burnt and he will have to rely on the network of a much smaller club which will be a lot lower over those 50+ years.

How much of that pie would his manager get? I bet they're pushing hard for TDK to leave to maximise their own payday.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Why would a recently retired player like Jack Reiwoldt make such a strong point of it, when asked if TDK will stay/go?

Our opinions aside - he’s a recently retired premiership player from a big club who may know something about it first hand.

Clubs like Carlton, Collingwood, Richmond, Essendon rarely lose players they want to keep , rebuilds & drug saga’s aside!

Plenty of good players are traded, more & more each year.

TDK may well walk - I hope he doesn’t.

But I’d like to know more about what Reiwoldt said about earning capacity of players post career in big clubs.

There may be something to it.

You're right that it would be handy to have more actual information to go off. But good luck ever getting it.

It's circumstantial and very case-specific. Are there more opportunities available for players with connections to big clubs, or better opportunities? Is it truth, or is it just perception and Riewoldt knows of a handful of mates who were assisted with finding jobs and assumes that Richmond does it better than smaller clubs?

But even if it were true that there are more, or better, opportunities for players at big clubs, does that override the capabilities or personalities of the players themselves? Can a big club find a $200k job for any old player, or does the player have to have invested in themselves with tertiary education, or have a natural affinity for corporate work?

How successful does the player have to have been - did we set Plowman up for life for being a hard working battler for many a year, or does someone like him fall by the wayside? If it's only the top handful of players who get "looked after", does the size of the clubs really matter, or do all AFL clubs have sufficient connections to open doors for one retiring club servant per year (let's be honest, you're not losing a "club great" every season)?

I think whatever Riewoldt might have to say on the matter, he shouldn't be considered the pre-eminent expert on the matter. He's a club captain with 3 flags, almost 350 games, almost 800 goals, 3 Colemans, 3 AAs....you get the idea. He also has something approaching a media-friendly personality. He was always going to land on his feet with that resume, with a cushy Fox Footy or Channel 7 media gig. But hey....so was his cousin, and he played for St Kilda. I think for the big names there are always going to be opportunities - so is it a case of bigger clubs being able to support a greater number of lesser players, and if so, how is that relevant for, as an example, TDK?

Unless Jack is keeping tally of where every ex-player ends up and whether they landed said position with or without help from their club, not to mention whether they even sought help, then his comments are purely speculation as well, and shouldn't really be given any additional weighting over the regular pundit with their "big club = you'll be set up for life".

 

[SirSanchez]

If any of us were in TDK's shoes we'd all take the money, even if we liked where we worked and the friends we worked with. its too big of a $ difference not to take it!
Anyone that says they wouldn't take the money and run is lying!

That kind of coin can set you up for life.