Mega Thread Port Forum General AFL Thread Part 29

[StrappingTape]

Let's just remind all these media figures there was a big push to promote Laura to the CEO because.. she's a woman and it's time one ran the AFL for reasons.. I can't stand Caro but hopefully she teed off on those people as well, optics were a lot of the reason she was promoted before she was ready instead of the best person for the job. I'm not sure Dillon was the right choice either btw, seems with the AFL having a huge amount of employees now they forgot to do any training to prepare them.

 

[TeeKray]

WCE on 287. Usually masters of win one, fall off a cliff, short rebuild.

Theyve ****ed it this time.

It's much harder to rebuild these days. Free agency and general player movement towards teams at the top of the ladder, father-son and academy picks meaning even the wooden spooner gets like 1 pick inside the top 30. Equalisation is basically dead, the bottom teams get a slight advantage at the draft and everything else is weighted towards keeping the strong teams strong.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Why nobody can stand the crows, Reason #15,783

 

[StrappingTape]

WCE on 287. Usually masters of win one, fall off a cliff, short rebuild.

Theyve ****ed it this time.

And it's so enjoyable to watch.

 

[edgie]

To be fair people talked us up in 2014 and 2015 too.

It was only after we repeatedly shat the bed that people became sceptical.

And stayed skeptical, despite multiple list turnovers, and those people that have been jaded by Port for the entire time still refuse to admit that it's the one constant that's the reason for that

 

[Jojay]

Really? Set up to fail?

 

[GremioPower]

Really? Set up to fail?

“Women have higher expectations than men in [insert position].”

Of course, they do. The quota for incompetent people are already fully filled by men. There’s no need for more. The whole point of adding women is to raise the quality.

 

[Cam1870]

“Women have higher expectations than men in [insert position].”

Of course, they do. The quota for incompetent people are already fully filled by men. There’s no need for more. The whole point of adding women is to raise the quality.

Just take our coaching and fitness staff for example. It's wall to wall incompetent men

 

[Ported]

Swans hold gruelling pre-dawn beach session just hours after SCG thumping

Just hours after their thumping loss to Adelaide, Sydney players gathered for a pre-dawn beach session

www.afl.com.au

WTF is this? Is Cox even trying to get the players to love him??

 

[Scholz Supremacy]

Swans hold gruelling pre-dawn beach session just hours after SCG thumping

Just hours after their thumping loss to Adelaide, Sydney players gathered for a pre-dawn beach session

www.afl.com.au

WTF is this? Is Cox even trying to get the players to love him??

Shades of us under Buddha Hocking on the Monday morning after the GWS 2012 loss

 

[StrappingTape]

Really? Set up to fail?

Yes it was because of her gender and nothing else at all. It was all going so well. It was the rush due to comments like Caro's to push a woman in there that she failed because she wasn't yet ready, proven by her inability to handle the job. Now her career at the AFL is up the creek and she's unfairly gonna have to deal with this for a while when looking elsewhere.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

That's pretty good but in 1990 Scott Hodges in consecutive weeks kicked 14 goals against West, 10 goals against Woodville, 11 goals against South and 11 goals against Sturt. That is the extraordinary total of 46 goals in 4 weeks of football.

 

[240volt]

That's pretty good but in 1990 Scott Hodges in consecutive weeks kicked 14 goals against West, 10 goals against Woodville, 11 goals against South and 11 goals against Sturt. That is the extraordinary total of 46 goals in 4 weeks of football.

That’s ok but how many pressure acts?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

and RoCo responds

 

[jackag24]

That's pretty good but in 1990 Scott Hodges in consecutive weeks kicked 14 goals against West, 10 goals against Woodville, 11 goals against South and 11 goals against Sturt. That is the extraordinary total of 46 goals in 4 weeks of football.

I won't be impressed until we see his behind the goals vision

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Laura Kane was not set up to fail. That is just DEI fantasy stuff by Caro.

She was employed as Andrew Dillion's 3IC when Brad Scott was appointed in September 2021 and then when he left to coach Essendon in September 2022 she became his 2IC and eventually got the head of Footy Ops role and Josh Mahoney

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was made her subordinate to assist her with footy ops.

Sept 2021 she gets the 3IC role.

Blues miss out on Brad Scott as AFL confirms key appointment in major football ops revamp

Another big name snubs Blues as ex-Roos coach’s key AFL role revealed

www.foxsports.com.au

Scott will take on a general manager football role that will include the responsibility of umpiring, the MRO, tribunal, ARC and game analysis, while Kane has been appointed general manager competition management that will involve managing all AFL-run competitions, including AFL, AFLW, VFL and VFLW.

It was revealed on Thursday that Andrew Dillon had been appointed the AFL’s executive general manager of football permanently after impressing as the interim boss since Steve Hocking’s departure.

Then August 2023 - after Dillon was announced he would become the CEO in May 2023 and officially start after the 2023 GF in October, Kane is made the head of the Footy Ops department.

Ms Kane’s portfolio will include all traditional football operations, competition management across the AFL, AFLW, VFL and VFLW, umpiring, game analysis, player movement, talent pathways and mental health and wellbeing.
The new AFL football team will include Port Adelaide Premiership player and long-time club football boss, Josh Mahoney as General Manager Football Operations and will also soon be joined by a new General Manager Football Performance.

So Dillon was made CEO and he promoted Kane to be head of football operations and according to Caro 3AW on Saturday she wanted more responsibilities, not the other way round, and she got it.

So she was the youngest or basically the same age as Adrian Anderson was in 2003/2004, the equal least experienced with Anderson and had the largest portfolio of jobs to do when you look back to 1993 when the Crawford Report was implemented and changed the commission forever and Ian Collins was brought in to be the Footy Operations boss.

Caro from her 3AW segment last Saturday.

"Andrew Dillon ... took way too long to put his feet under the desk, because Gillon McLachlan took so long to leave..."

"I think that diminished Andrew Dillion's power a bit. He wanted Brendon Gale to come and be his unofficial number 2, THAT WAS BLOCKED, by some of the executives at the AFL, who were feeling uncomfortable and feeling their power would be diminished, others blocked his wage etc, because they thought he was going to be paid too much. I mean crazy stuff went on."

"Laura Kane was promoted because she had been such a strong performer, but looking back she was given far too many jobs and THAT WAS PARTLY HER OWN DOING. She wanted to still run AFLW. She wanted to run talent. A lot of areas that hadn't been under the remit of the footy boss. So that was the first problem. I don't think she had strong people underneath her as Steve Hocking and Brad Scott had, had, and I think we will see a few of them moved on now when this new footy boss comes in"

"So I think Laura was a bit stubborn. Doesn't mean she's not a very good operator and I think she had to be so much better because she was 33 when she took on the job and she was a woman."

That's just BS - typical Caro hyperbole. She didn't have to be better, let alone so much better, she just had to prove she was competent enough - like Stephen Hocking was who did a pretty good job running things for the 3 years he was in charge. She may have had to prove she was better than Andrew Dillon as he let things drift whilst first he was trying to win the CEO's role, and then had to wait for Gillon to finish doing a long farewell lap of honour.

"Cracks appeared early - she was doing the Monday interviews with an AFL Media person, about umpiring decisions, that all went pear shaped - half way thru last season after that Collingwood - North Melbourne game, when she defended the indefensible, that non 50m penalty, if you remember that, so, even the Commission level said enough, time to stop doing that. Then she needed a strong number 2, and I think she felt that Geoff Walsh was being fostered upon her, as sort of a bit of grey hair, someone who wasn't going to be after her job, someone who would work with her as he had worked with her back in her North Melbourne days. She didn't want that."

Tim Lane then asks - why not?

"I, I'm not, I'm not, I don't think she felt the optics of it were that good. I think she felt that she would look, her role would be diminished somewhat, umh, if Geoff Walsh was going on AFL 360 or you know the Agenda Setters, or Footy Classified. I don't know, I think there was a view about that. I think it was a wrong decision by Laura, and although everyone denies the power struggle, there was, and she put in her man Nick Carah, who had very little experience in this area and who was I think a friend and a long term associate of Laura's."

So how is giving an inexperienced mate a job he wasn't qualified for - being set up by the AFL / Commission/executives to fail?? How is worrying about optics rather than the substance, and worrying about your ego being set up to fail??

"So all these things enraged the clubs and then we had, you know, the other executives around Andrew Dillion weren't performing well."

"General Counsel Stephen Meade was making so many wrong decisions - Willie Rioli, Ken Hinkley, Jason McCartney

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, Noah Balta

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. the list goes on. Jeremy Finlayson

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took days to make a call on that. It was plodding and it hurt the game. I don't think game development is performing that well either."

Haha 3 Port incidents and she probably pulls the game development comment out of her arse because there are about 20 less Aboriginal players on AFL lists than there were 5 years ago. So she kicks the game development department because indigenous kids post covid aren't able to jump thru all the hoops of an ever increasing professional industry requirements. If the kids aren't up to it, they aren't up to it. The AFL has pumped an extra $30m a year into game development since 2019, so its not as if they aren't making a concerted effort to develop players.

"So it was a perfect storm and then there was the ongoing really sensitive negotiations with Tanya Hosch, who umh, I think there were lawyers involved on both sides of this was about money and terms and pay out etc, finally has been resolved, finally Tanya Hosch is leaving. But it was very hard to demote a woman who had been promoted to that role (ie Kane), it was always going to look really bad, but in the end it just had to happen."

This is classic Caro playing all her DEI cards where she can so as to protect the sisterhood where she can and other people she backs at the AFL. Kane failed because she wasn't good enough, and some of her own decisions contributed to it, not that she was set up to fail.

Dillon in his media street interviews post the changes kept using the word incredible/incredibly to explain the AFL and it's- people and set up ie - person, talented, administrator, successful, leaders, leadership, fans, relationships, umpires, athletes, decision makers etc.

Incredible = extraordinary. The extraordinary is how bad a lot of people and things associated with the AFL is / got to, not how extraordinarily good they are. If they were so incredible why did the shit hit the fan on so many issues and why did it and does it take so long to resolve issues and fix things up?

This is what happens when you have a large bureaucracy in an organisation where optics matter more than substance, people protect their little empires, jealousies, the can gets kicked down the road as long as possible, try to be a cure for everyone of societies ills, and the Commission is as hopeless as the executives.

Its the 18 clubs that drive and improve the game. Take out the billion dollar TV deals, which yes is bloody important to help grow the game, but the AFL don't really make the game greater. Its also why they need more people from clubland in the most important positions and why 2 CEO's have got these new gigs. But history shows those at the AFL are scared of people from clubland having too much power.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Caro is the only person to even talk about her being a woman and blah blah blah. She is just peddling her own insecurities while everyone else is like whatever Caro, no one cares shes a woman and no one cares that you are either. Stop creating bullshit where there is none.

What people do care about is the overt incompetence.

 

[Jojay]

That's pretty good but in 1990 Scott Hodges in consecutive weeks kicked 14 goals against West, 10 goals against Woodville, 11 goals against South and 11 goals against Sturt. That is the extraordinary total of 46 goals in 4 weeks of football.

That first game after the news broke against West at Alberton will be forever etched in my

 

[Jojay]

Lol

 

[gbear]

Lol

Tassie may not get their licence, and I for one are not overly sad by this as the talent pool isn’t really there for a 19th team.

 

[Steve Dore]

It's typical of the AFL that Tassie can't have a team unless they provide a shiny new roofed stadium but it's OK for Footscray to play home games in artic conditions at an open air stadium with a capacity of 5,000.

 

[FishingRick04]

That first game after the news broke against West at Alberton will be forever etched in my

His horizontal mark on the members flank against Westies amazing

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

So Norwood and WA#3 instead of Tasmania?

 

[GremioPower]

So Norwood and WA#3 instead of Tasmania?

Sturwood Double Legs & West Perth Falcons

along with Tas, NT, ACT, and Cairns.

Tassie may not get their licence, and I for one are not overly sad by this as the talent pool isn’t really there for a 19th team.

It doesn't matter. It would work.
#AFL24

 

[GremioPower]

Lol

The AFL has activelly boycotted the Tasmanian bid after the announcement. Crazy stuff...