Should all the rules introduced by current Geelong CEO Stephen Hocking be reversed?

[boncer34]

I don't know any other sport

I don't know any sport where a player has to stand like a statue for a period of time.

 

[RUNVS]

What's the most popular sport in the world and how much scoring is there?

Heart disease.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

Remove the stand rule and I guarantee you scoring will go down almost immediately.

But the stats show the stand rule hasn’t resulted in increased scoring at all. So why would it have that effect instead of just remaining exactly as it was beforehand which is the same as it is now?

 

[RUNVS]

But the stats show the stand rule hasn’t resulted in increased scoring at all. So why would it have that effect instead of just remaining exactly as it was beforehand which is the same as it is now?

Except that is a very simplistic view.

Say this is the average scoring for 5 seasons

2015 - 170 points
2016 - 166 points
2017 - 160 points
2018 - 157 points
2019 - 152 points

so there is a constant and fairly consistent downwards trend, and then the stand rule is brought in and the next 3 seasons look like this

2020 - 152 points
2021 - 155 points
2022 - 151 points

Yes you can say that "scoring has not improved" and you are right, but you would be ignoring the consistent downwards trend before the rule was introduced, and how the new rule either stopped or at the very least slowed down the downwards trend.

Had the new rule not been introduced then the downwards trend would have continued at a greater rate than it did with the stand rule in place.

 

[boncer34]

Except that is a very simplistic view.

Say this is the average scoring for 5 seasons

2015 - 170 points
2016 - 166 points
2017 - 160 points
2018 - 157 points
2019 - 152 points

so there is a constant and fairly consistent downwards trend, and then the stand rule is brought in and the next 3 seasons look like this

2020 - 152 points
2021 - 155 points
2022 - 151 points

Yes you can say that "scoring has not improved" and you are right, but you would be ignoring the consistent downwards trend before the rule was introduced, and how the new rule either stopped or at the very least slowed down the downwards trend.

Had the new rule not been introduced then the downwards trend would have continued at a greater rate than it did with the stand rule in place.

Is that the correct average score?

 

[RUNVS]

Is that the correct average score?

No, I was just using examples. I am not sure where to find the real version of those stats.

 

[Do the Dew]

Rules that need to disappear:

• Stand
• 666
• Ruck nomination
• Kick-ins extension
• Interchange cap

I don't mind the protected area rule however the umps have to use their brains a bit more in determining when a player is actively trying to clog space versus just running defensively on the non-dominant foot side.

 

[sabso]

the combination of the stand rule and the free kick taker being allowed to run wherever the hell he wants before taking the kick is a joke.

 

[ReturningHawk]

Was it Hocking who brought in the rule about giving free kicks to Hawthorn? I like that one!

 

[nick1408]

No, I was just using examples. I am not sure where to find the real version of those stats.

Right here - https://afltables.com/afl/stats/yearly.html

	G	B
2010​	13.1​	9.6​	88.2​
2011​	13.5​	9.7​	90.7​
2012​	13.3​	9.6​	89.4​
2013​	13.4​	9.4​	89.8​
2014​	12.6​	8.9​	84.5​
2015​	12.6​	8.6​	84.2​
2016​	12.9​	9.1​	86.5​
2017​	12.9​	9.5​	86.9​
2018​	12​	9​	81​
2019​	11.6​	8.6​	78.2​
2020​	8.8​	6.4​	59.2​
2021​	11.5​	8.6​	77.6​
2022​	12.1​	8.4​	81​
2023​	12.1​	8.5​	81.1​
2024​	12.3​	8.5​	82.3​
2025​	12.2​	8.8​	82​

Total I added ([goals * 6]+points) for complete clarity.

 

[Mr Meow]

Right here - https://afltables.com/afl/stats/yearly.html

	G	B
2010​	13.1​	9.6​	88.2​
2011​	13.5​	9.7​	90.7​
2012​	13.3​	9.6​	89.4​
2013​	13.4​	9.4​	89.8​
2014​	12.6​	8.9​	84.5​
2015​	12.6​	8.6​	84.2​
2016​	12.9​	9.1​	86.5​
2017​	12.9​	9.5​	86.9​
2018​	12​	9​	81​
2019​	11.6​	8.6​	78.2​
2020​	8.8​	6.4​	59.2​
2021​	11.5​	8.6​	77.6​
2022​	12.1​	8.4​	81​
2023​	12.1​	8.5​	81.1​
2024​	12.3​	8.5​	82.3​
2025​	12.2​	8.8​	82​

Total I added ([goals * 6]+points) for complete clarity.

Nice work.

If we add 25% to 2020 to account for shortened quarters, that's about 74 points. So 2019-2020 around 76 average per team (heavily declining from 2017's 87), 2021 it spikes a little and then 2022-2025 we are at least up to a steady 81-82. Who knows, maybe we were going to keep the 2017-2020 decline without rule changes and teams would be down to a late 60s average by now - then we're talking about a few goals difference per game.

 

[Tall poppy Syndrome]

I don't know any other sport where a player has to stand like a statue for a period of time.

 

[Mr Meow]

I don't know any other sport where a player has to stand like a statue for a period of time.

Basketball for free throws.
Tennis for serving.
Free kick walls in soccer.

Invariably the players then get to move as it enters a "play on" situation. The stand rule just does that after each mark, and it ends when play on is called.

 

[PhatBoy]

I don't know any other sport where a player has to stand like a statue for a period of time.

Yeah it only happens about 450 times a match in any NRL game

The two markers have to stand still until the ball has been played by the tackled player and clears the area of the tackle either by the dummy half passing it to a teammate, or running the ball himself.

Additionally, their teammates have to be back 10 metres from where the tackle is made, and while they can move laterally at least, they cannot move up until the ball leaves the tackle area (known as the ruck) before they move up to try and tackle the player with the ball in the next play.

You haven’t put a lot of thought into this, or many of your comments, have you.

 

[NetworkNerd]

I don't know any sport where a player has to stand like a statue for a period of time.

 

[Bald]

I don't mind the stand rule, but I could go without hearing the umpires scream stand after every mark or free kick.

 

[PhatBoy]

The stand rule is a disgrace that has brought the game into disrepute. You got a player like Dangerfield that shit himself everytime he played against Richmond in a final winning a flag because of a rule change, that should not happen.

Then you got really great players like Nathan Buckley that never won a flag but would've been getting 1,500 metres gained a game, if not more, if he was playing this emasculated version of the game introduced because the handbaggers didn't like the pressure that came from a player manning the mark.

Then you get muppets asking can any of these clowns playing from 2021 be the GOAT

My question is, would Tim Watson be able to debut at 12 years old if the emasculated version of game was being played then?

Nah, he won it because Geelong won 16 games in a row and smacked everyone they played, more or less.

Same as Richmond did it to everyone they played. You didn’t win because of the rule book. You won because you were the best. Same as we did.

 

[PhatBoy]

Here is a comment that I read on the Nick Daicos thread.

If the beautiful game (real football) made it so a wall can't jump up anymore when a player steps up to take a free kick, and then some current footballer started racking up goals from set pieces, should we really be asking if he is a better free kick taker than David Beckham was?

You could always do what a normal person does and just say ‘he is the best under the current stipulations and probably would have been excellent under the old one’ like cricket fans who manage to talk about pre-and-post uncovered pitch eras, big-and-small bat eras, pre-and-post reverse swing eras etc.

Somehow, despite those things happening, the sport has survived without the apocalypse arriving and the world collapsing in on itself.

 

[PhatBoy]

You did do that, but the stand rule suited Geelong more than it did Richmond.


We did win because of the rule book though, our pressure based system hadn't taken the hit it did from 2021.

Who gives a shit. You won. We won. Deal with the fact that you won and stop crying about it ffs

 

[kickazz]

Except that is a very simplistic view.

Say this is the average scoring for 5 seasons

2015 - 170 points
2016 - 166 points
2017 - 160 points
2018 - 157 points
2019 - 152 points

so there is a constant and fairly consistent downwards trend, and then the stand rule is brought in and the next 3 seasons look like this

2020 - 152 points
2021 - 155 points
2022 - 151 points

Yes you can say that "scoring has not improved" and you are right, but you would be ignoring the consistent downwards trend before the rule was introduced, and how the new rule either stopped or at the very least slowed down the downwards trend.

Had the new rule not been introduced then the downwards trend would have continued at a greater rate than it did with the stand rule in place.

Yes, mathematically speaking, reactive people look at the function over time. Proactive people look at the derivative of that function.

 

[Partridge]

Rules that need to disappear:

• Stand
• 666
• Ruck nomination
• Kick-ins extension
• Interchange cap

I don't mind the protected area rule however the umps have to use their brains a bit more in determining when a player is actively trying to clog space versus just running defensively on the non-dominant foot side.

I haven't really thought about the interchange, but the first four should all go for sure. Could also shoot the people responsible. Haven't added anything except make the game more 'Auskick for adults'. Once you think of it that way, it's scary how close it is.

The Stand rule hasn't increased scoring at all, and the 6-6-6 rule that was universally hailed as brilliant for the same reason saw the lowest scoring season in 51 years. Before Covid too.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Basketball for free throws.
Tennis for serving.
Free kick walls in soccer.

Invariably the players then get to move as it enters a "play on" situation. The stand rule just does that after each mark, and it ends when play on is called.

Wrong analogy

 

[Do the Dew]

I haven't really thought about the interchange, but the first four should all go for sure. Could also shoot the people responsible. Haven't added anything except make the game more 'Auskick for adults'. Once you think of it that way, it's scary how close it is.

The Stand rule hasn't increased scoring at all, and the 6-6-6 rule that was universally hailed as brilliant for the same reason saw the lowest scoring season in 51 years. Before Covid too.

Believe the last time the interchange had no cap was in about 2012 and scoring was higher than it's ever been. I think the assumption that scoring increases as players get more tired is bs. If you and your teammates are tired, the last thing you're gonna try is to open the game up. Instead you're gonna try and keep things in tight and contested, or play kick-mark football.

Having fresher players means they're going to be able to run more and spread to space. Media brings up that they're fresher to run to contests and that's true, but could easily be remedied by the umpire throwing the ball up straightaway (eg. ditching the ruck nomination rule that teams exploit to clog things up).

 

[PhatBoy]

Wrong analogy

‘Name another sport where players have to stand still like statues.’

The other major football code in Australia does it hundreds of times a game.

You asked, you received.

 

[MisterMarcus]

The stand rule is a disgrace that has brought the game into disrepute. You got a player like Dangerfield that shit himself everytime he played against Richmond in a final winning a flag because of a rule change, that should not happen.

Then you got really great players like Nathan Buckley that never won a flag but would've been getting 1,500 metres gained a game, if not more, if he was playing this emasculated version of the game introduced because the handbaggers didn't like the pressure that came from a player manning the mark.

Then you get muppets asking can any of these clowns playing from 2021 be the GOAT

My question is, would Tim Watson be able to debut at 12 years old if the emasculated version of game was being played then?

Hello totally new poster who is absolutely not another alt alias of numbnuts….