Test Frank Worrell Trophy Third Test (D/N) West Indies v Australia July 12-16 0400hrs 13/7 @ Sabina Park, Jamaica

[grumbleguts]

thought i'd put this here.

new test bowler rankings have australia with 5 players in the top 10 !

surely that's a first.

next best aussie is kuhnemann @ 44.

When you look at the list it screams "Drop STARC!!!"

 

[PhatBoy]

with respect to Boland who is an excellent bowler and routinely does everything asked of him, and would be a regular starter in many other sides in many other eras, when he DOES play, he generally has a fairly easy job.

 

[Around the Wicket]

In regard to Starc the change in his bowling action made him a more consistent bowler and turned his career to all time great.

Not sure it's ever been mentioned who was responsible for that.

Definitely has a * against the big sides, bit of a minnow basher

 

[revo333]

Definitely has a * against the big sides, bit of a minnow basher

Think you'll find most decent test cricketers are minnow bashers.

 

[DaRick]

Definitely has a * against the big sides, bit of a minnow basher

His only real blip is against IND, and even then his performance in the last BGT series was decent.

He does outperform against SL and WI, but running through SL on their own turf is no small feat for a quick.

 

[DaRick]

89 Ashes is still my goat series.

We won that series just before I was born.

So basically, we held the Ashes from my birth until 2005.

Good times.

 

[sherb]

89 Ashes is still my goat series.

I was in England for that series. Caught up with a bit of the cricket.

Would have been 6-0 instead of 4-0, but for the English weather.

It was a great time to visit the mother country.

 

[sherb]

I've read, yet to be confirmed, that Starc may well be the first bowler in Test cricket to ever take 4 wickets before conceding his first run.

 

[Rabish Binney]

89 Ashes is still my goat series.

Sat up every night watching the tests and watched most days (nights) till stumps.

Then bought the highlights tape on VHS and basically wore it out watching it over and over again

 

[Gough]

I was in England for that series. Caught up with a bit of the cricket.

Would have been 6-0 instead of 4-0, but for the English weather.

It was a great time to visit the mother country.

AB is still my cricketing hero being told to f*** off by him was a rite of passage and a privilege for the young cricket fan in the 80s.

 

[PhatBoy]

I've read, yet to be confirmed, that Starc may well be the first bowler in Test cricket to ever take 4 wickets before conceding his first run.

Pretty sure it’s correct as Dane Van Nierkerk was the first bowler to do it in any format when she did it in an odi in 2017

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

In regard to Starc the change in his bowling action made him a more consistent bowler and turned his career to all time great.

Not sure it's ever been mentioned who was responsible for that.

When did this happen?

He has definitely been more consistent the last few years

 

[two blue tiger]

Lillee, Marshall and Hadlee for me.

Wasim Akram says hi.....

 

[Aussie in exile]

I slightly digress, but as we all know lots of male and females of West Indian descent play soccer in the Uk, and then you get someone like Cole Palmer who doesn't look like he's of West Indian descent, but he is and is going back to the Island where his grandfather came from and the kids loving him only inspires them to want to be like him and play soccer does Cricket a lot of harm in trying to get kids to play cricket.

Chelsea's Cole Palmer visits grandfather's home in St Kitts

Chelsea and England star Cole Palmer visits the Caribbean island of St Kitts - where his paternal grandfather was born - for the first time

www.bbc.com

 

[jb04]

AB is still my cricketing hero being told to f*** off by him was a rite of passage and a privilege for the young cricket fan in the 80s.

Times surely are different now. I think I got a wave from Grant Flower once?

Much more difficult to get players attention after the renovation of the Western Stand at the Adelaide Oval.

 

[big_e]

Definitely has a * against the big sides, bit of a minnow basher

Averages 35 against India, that's his worst. Hardly a stat worthy of an asterisk.

 

[Gethelred]

with respect to Boland who is an excellent bowler and routinely does everything asked of him, and would be a regular starter in many other sides in many other eras, when he DOES play, he generally has a fairly easy job.

 

[Gough]

Times surely are different now. I think I got a wave from Grant Flower once?

Much more difficult to get players attention after the renovation of the Western Stand at the Adelaide Oval.

I loved the old nets where you could sit right behind the batsman.

 

[cricketnut14]

Definitely has a * against the big sides, bit of a minnow basher

which minnows has he bashed?

he hasn't played against bangladesh, zimbabwe, afghanistan or ireland though.

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

Think you'll find most decent test cricketers are minnow bashers.

Exactly. It's a bit like saying he has better figures with the pink ball. I can't think of any bowlers who don't.

 

[Soggy2112]

Averages 35 against India, that's his worst. Hardly a stat worthy of an asterisk.

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I always love when people see a stat like this and think it’s some big zinger.

You’d find a similar pattern with almost every great cricketer in history. Of course the better teams will have done better.

 

[revo333]

I always love when people see a stat like this and think it’s some big zinger.

You’d find a similar pattern with almost every great cricketer in history. Of course the better teams will have done better.

"Ponting never had to face McGrath or Warne"

You go on YouTube and there's footage of Ponting smashing McGrath around in a shield game hehe!

 

[PhatBoy]

I always love when people see a stat like this and think it’s some big zinger.

You’d find a similar pattern with almost every great cricketer in history. Of course the better teams will have done better.

I actually rate Starc quite highly and don’t think he’s a minnow basher. I think maybe the point the poster was making was that his career average is dragged down significantly lower, though, overall because a quarter of his wickets have come against relatively weak sides at less than 20 (I would counter that to some degree by saying that a lot of his wickets against Sri Lanka - over 20 - came in an away series where Australia lost as the hosts actually batted quite well generally).

It’s exactly 27 as it stands, it’s 29.72 with those two teams excluded.

 

[sr36]

I actually rate Starc quite highly and don’t think he’s a minnow basher. I think maybe the point the poster was making was that his career average is dragged down significantly lower, though, overall because a quarter of his wickets have come against relatively weak sides at less than 20 (I would counter that to some degree by saying that a lot of his wickets against Sri Lanka - over 20 - came in an away series where Australia lost as the hosts actually batted quite well generally).

It’s exactly 27 as it stands, it’s 29.72 with those two teams excluded.

He's a rare paceman with an outstanding record in SL - those wickets against "a minnow" like others are saying actually add to his record rahter than subtracting from it. You're looking at Starc, Waqar and Akram as the three paceman with outstanding records in SL - searing pace and swing or forget about it.

 

[PhatBoy]

He's a rare paceman with an outstanding record in SL - those wickets against "a minnow" like others are saying actually add to his record rahter than subtracting from it. You're looking at Starc, Waqar and Akram as the three paceman with outstanding records in SL - searing pace and swing or forget about it.

*wickets IN Sri Lanka add to his record.


His wickets against Sri Lanka here don’t add a lot to it. They’ve never so much as drawn a test in Australia without help from rain; they’re 0-2-13 and even one of the two draws was 8-down on the last day during a top end series 20 years ago.

3 five wicket hauls in 4 matches and an average of 22. Ironically his one pink ball home test against them ‘ruins’ his record.