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If Harley Reid is worth up to $2m per year... what are these guys worth?
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So going by your view... By Harley Reids 6th AFL season, he should have a Brownlow medal, premiership medal and All Australian honours?
Judd won a Brownlow medal in 2004, his 3rd season. So Reid has a Brownlow medal sealed up by next season?
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As all 3 of those things are contingent not just on one’s own performance but on the performance’s of others, that’s a pretty stupid question.
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yep..
kids got talent and potential- yes
that kid and potential worth a 2m a year contract- no
But, if some club is foolish enough to pay it.... thats on them
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With the amount of discussion and media coverage one player is generating at 19 yrs old one would think he's the top player in the comp already.
Getting tagged in his 2nd year leading a midfield.
And is likely becoming the highest paid player.
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$1m+, sure
But $2m is what is being spoken of here
Right now there are definitely players regretting and questioning their management about not doing what Reid’s management has done.
Reid could well stay at West Coast on a $20m+ contract.
I talked about Daicos and Darcy. What would a bidding war have them worth?
I’m sure both were aware they could probably get $500k per year more elsewhere. What’s now becoming clear is that’s more like $1m, or more. Big difference.
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he's no Noah Anderson, but sure, pay him up and hope for the best
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Don't know about brownlow medals for Harley Reid lol. His methods of breaking tackles and his method of respecting umpires decisions are a bit different to Chris Judd's . Judd was heaps good at breaking tackles in the congested midfield though. As a first and second year player that was the part of his game that stood out but I think Harley Reid does it better.
$2m is absurd
And here I was thinking his market value had declined this year after a middling season
Chris Judd in his second season was sporting a 107.6 SC score, whereas Reid is at checks notes 70.5. That they had a similar number of disposals is irrelevant. The impact gap between the two at this point in their careers is so large you could drive a truck through it.
Judd played alongside Cousins and had other senior mids + Michael Gardiner in the ruck.
Reid has mids with less experience than him + the worst starting ruck in the league.
Completely incomparable.
Nick Daicos did come into a weak team , we finished 17th the year he got drafted . By his 2nd year he was the best player in the comp , not a small coincidence we improved .
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Judd in his 4th season won the Brownlow with 30 votes getting 22 touches a game. Statistical comparisons to 20 years ago are pretty meaningless. Judd is miles ahead of Reid at the same point.
In answer to the OP, Reid is not worth $2m a year. But then Ben McKay isn't worth $1m a year, LDU isn't worth $1.3m a year, TDK isn't worth $1.7m a year and Mac Andrew isn't worth $12m over 9 years. The AFL have gone down the NBA path of every new "largest contract ever" player raising eyebrows. No second year player with a year to run on a draftee contract should be eligible for $2m a year let alone contracts that run until 2037. It's mess.
From a WC perspective he's "worth" $2m in the context of what he's worth elsewhere. The idea that WC are going to pay him squillions but if he leaves it will be to sign a modest deal is ridiculous. He's not going anywhere as a $500k-$1m a year player which is realistically what his output after 2-3 years warrants.
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Haha Judd was roving to Cox and getting the 2nd posession off Cousins/Kerr. Who is Reid roving to? Who are his midfield contemporaries?
Reid is putting the team on his back and is already a superior resting forward than peak Judd ever was. Using Supercoach as some kind of definitive metric is laughable
You've just made an argument that there is less room for him to improve than others and he is therefore close to his ceiling.
Who is Harley Reid?
Seriously though, if you want to tie up a future gun (and he is, anyone who thinks otherwise isn’t really watching) whilst presumably you’ve got cap room now because of a weaker, younger list, and you are bound by the comp rules to use 95% cap space, then why not?
You’ve then locked in his contract for a long time, and you manage going forward as his salary takes a progressively smaller % of the cap (assuming he’s not got a clause to increase salary in line with cap increases).
It’s not a like-for-like between clubs. You don’t get a greater cap* because you’ve got better players.
* You might get ambassador money, or cost of living money, or McDonald’s franchises, or “distressed sale” farmland, but you don’t get more official cap space.
if his team are playing these games now you can be certain they will be renegotiating or trying to walk away he thinks he is worth more elsewhere.
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No I haven’t. I’ve said the things that make him above average for his age are things that normally take years to build into most players. He’s already got them. Those are things that don’t have to be worried about: ‘when he fills out/when he’s got some years in the gym and some strength and power/when he gets some game sense.’ He’s already equipped with them to a far greater degree than most kids his age.
So he can build on other things and not have to worry about them nearly as much.
Given the alternative is comparing their disposal counts, relying on more advanced measures, even limited ones like SC, is more than fine, particularly when the gap between the two players is significant (in this case more than 50%).
Quality of teammates would be lucky to explain even a small percentage of that variation. The reality is that Reid averages more clangers per game than any player in the past 15 seasons, which is no small achievement when he doesn't rank in the top 120 players in the league for disposals.
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I wouldn't pay much at all until there are signs he has got rid of his immaturity and undisciplined acts. All the warning signs are there at the moment, if i club pays up and ignores it they could get majorly burnt
When did Daicos become the best player in the comp?
Anyhoo supposedly there are 30 x $1 million dollar players in the league, there seems to be a big rush to get to $2 million.
If West Coast have to make that offer to keep hem they should do it. If Reid was in Vic, the Vic media would be fellating him more than Wanganeen-Milera.
If West Coast have to make that offer to keep hem they should do it. If Reid was in Vic, the Vic media would be fellating him more than Wanganeen-Milera.
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