List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2

[Diehard Saint]

The time it is taking. The manager has had our offer for weeks, he is trying to see if Port has draft capital, which it doesn't.
I still feel he signs with us but for two years only.

And we’d all take it because who knows what happens at the end of 2 years.

 

[phantom13]

Who fills the FB hole with Howard and Cordy over the hill?

The guy playing fullback now?

 

[Remboy]

For the sake of the game I hope that Nas stays with you guys. Us small clubs have trouble enough with attracting elite talent, it is heartbreaking to lose talent that you have nurtured and developed. Plus Port are absolutely horrible to deal with. They will offer nothing serious in return, just a handful of crap draft picks in a compromised draft that you will be expected to settle for.

I felt the same with LDU. As much as I would love him at the Saints I was happy to see him stay at North. If we keep poaching each other's players we're just cutting each other's throats.

 

[Remboy]

The guy playing fullback now?

I got the feeling from Ross pre match that they still see Caminiti as a forward.

 

[SaintOfLondon]

Have just been told not to expect an announcement any time soon, he’s told the club he won’t make a decision until end of season. Read into that what you will but it doesn’t fill me with confidence.

 

[AFaiL]

This is all getting a bit ridiculous. Speculation for speculations sake

Plugger, the actual GOAT, left in 1994 - 1997 we play in a GF
GAJ left the Cats (won another GF, noting the side was stacked)
Judd the Eagles (won a GF)
Danger the Crows (not so good for Crows)

The list goes on. Players move, they come and go and there are no one man teams anymore. Dockers and Blues have had dual Brownlow winners in their sides and were still average/not successful

You always want a talent like Nas to stay, and he does have the exact attributes we have been starved of (Bont like... FU billings), but if he goes he goes. The sun will come up tomorrow and Port will remain as shit as they are becuase 1 man doesn't make a team.

If that is the case, the only thing that matters is the club brokers a solid deal, keeps morale and attitude positive and we continue to build a club that will be successful more often than not, opposed to bottoming out for 10 years for a year or two of maybe...

Matt Rowell

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Matt Rowell

Age

24

Ht

180cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

D

17.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

D

17.4

5star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

was seen as the lord and saviour himself after a hot start - then has come back to the pack of elite talent but he isnt the sole reason the suns are winning. Jesus, even Kosi had a month from the gods.

Its this type of mindset that has left St Kilda where we have been forever. Some other clubs, on the other hand:

'Although getting Gary Ablett back was a big scalp for Geelong, the Cats also used the 24th pick to select midfielder Tim Kelly

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Tim Kelly

Age

31

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.6

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.6

4star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

in the 2017 AFL draft.

The mature age recruit entered the club as a ready made on-baller, and took no time leaving his mark as Kelly finished in the top five at the Brownlow in his second season at AFL level.

The West Australian finished runner up in the Carji Greeves medal in both his opening two seasons, averaging over 24 disposals and a goal per game in his time at Geelong.'

Got nothing but picks for him, found a way to land Cameron with the picks and the rest is history.

 

[SainterinSydney]

Have just been told not to expect an announcement any time soon, he’s told the club he won’t make a decision until end of season. Read into that what you will but it doesn’t fill me with confidence.

Who told you that?

 

[SaintOfLondon]

The guy playing fullback now?

We are not winning a premiership with Caminiti as our full back

 

[SaintOfLondon]

Who told you that?

Haha zero chance I’ll be saying who but it is someone senior at the club.

Who knows maybe it’s bullshit or he changes his mind and he announces tomorrow!

I was also told by a different source at the club a few weeks ago they were confident he was going to sign for 4 years and that obviously hasn’t turned out the case so my honest opinion is no one has any idea what’s going on.

 

[SainterinSydney]

Haha zero chance I’ll be saying who but it is someone senior at the club.

Who knows maybe it’s bullshit or he changes his mind and he announces tomorrow!

I guess the issue here is unless someone has a proven track record with inside info, it is hard to take seriously, though duly noted.

 

[Veer Right]

Are we sad if we miss out on Worpel because of Nas?

Worpel is a ball butcher. We need to clear ours out, not add more.

 

[SaintOfLondon]

Yep fair - no sleep lost on my side.

I think you can have the best source in the world but until pen hits paper and he's standing in front of the media it’s all speculation whether inside knowledge speculation or complete guessing.

 

[Sully111]

This is all getting a bit ridiculous. Speculation for speculations sake

Plugger, the actual GOAT, left in 1994 - 1997 we play in a GF
GAJ left the Cats (won another GF, noting the side was stacked)
Judd the Eagles (won a GF)
Danger the Crows (not so good for Crows)

The list goes on. Players move, they come and go and there are no one man teams anymore. Dockers and Blues have had dual Brownlow winners in their sides and were still average/not successful

You always want a talent like Nas to stay, and he does have the exact attributes we have been starved of (Bont like... FU billings), but if he goes he goes. The sun will come up tomorrow and Port will remain as shit as they are becuase 1 man doesn't make a team.

If that is the case, the only thing that matters is the club brokers a solid deal, keeps morale and attitude positive and we continue to build a club that will be successful more often than not, opposed to bottoming out for 10 years for a year or two of maybe...

Matt Rowell was seen as the lord and saviour himself after a hot start - then has come back to the pack of elite talent but he isnt the sole reason the suns are winning. Jesus, even Kosi had a month from the gods.

Its this type of mindset that has left St Kilda where we have been forever. Some other clubs, on the other hand:

'Although getting Gary Ablett back was a big scalp for Geelong, the Cats also used the 24th pick to select midfielder Tim Kelly in the 2017 AFL draft.

The mature age recruit entered the club as a ready made on-baller, and took no time leaving his mark as Kelly finished in the top five at the Brownlow in his second season at AFL level.

The West Australian finished runner up in the Carji Greeves medal in both his opening two seasons, averaging over 24 disposals and a goal per game in his time at Geelong.'

Got nothing but picks for him, found a way to land Cameron with the picks and the rest is history.

But......

We luv him

 

[phantom13]

We are not winning a premiership with Caminiti as our full back

Collingwood won one with Nathan Murphy (who got KOd in the first 3 minutes).

I keep saying this, the defensive group is way way more important than singular personel. Even Brisbane with Andrews need a core of complimentary bits around him.

If Tauru, Wilkie, Barrat work out as wed like with a good fleet of distributors then Cammas job is just lock down on one guy, he has all the tools to do that. Hes unlikely to ever be AA but if he can do a role IMO.

 

[ThomasR]

locked in to play GWS at 12:20pm on Sunday in R24. looks like Nas will be able to announce his 10-year extension at the Seaford Hotel after all

 

[Moquo]

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I think the Tex Wanganeen story should not be underplayed in keeping Nas.

Never tear them apart!

 

[SaintOfLondon]

This is all getting a bit ridiculous. Speculation for speculations sake

Plugger, the actual GOAT, left in 1994 - 1997 we play in a GF
GAJ left the Cats (won another GF, noting the side was stacked)
Judd the Eagles (won a GF)
Danger the Crows (not so good for Crows)

The list goes on. Players move, they come and go and there are no one man teams anymore. Dockers and Blues have had dual Brownlow winners in their sides and were still average/not successful

You always want a talent like Nas to stay, and he does have the exact attributes we have been starved of (Bont like... FU billings), but if he goes he goes. The sun will come up tomorrow and Port will remain as shit as they are becuase 1 man doesn't make a team.

If that is the case, the only thing that matters is the club brokers a solid deal, keeps morale and attitude positive and we continue to build a club that will be successful more often than not, opposed to bottoming out for 10 years for a year or two of maybe...

Matt Rowell was seen as the lord and saviour himself after a hot start - then has come back to the pack of elite talent but he isnt the sole reason the suns are winning. Jesus, even Kosi had a month from the gods.

Its this type of mindset that has left St Kilda where we have been forever. Some other clubs, on the other hand:

'Although getting Gary Ablett back was a big scalp for Geelong, the Cats also used the 24th pick to select midfielder Tim Kelly in the 2017 AFL draft.

The mature age recruit entered the club as a ready made on-baller, and took no time leaving his mark as Kelly finished in the top five at the Brownlow in his second season at AFL level.

The West Australian finished runner up in the Carji Greeves medal in both his opening two seasons, averaging over 24 disposals and a goal per game in his time at Geelong.'

Got nothing but picks for him, found a way to land Cameron with the picks and the rest is history.

Agreed, I can't recall a club who splurged significant cap space on one player and won a flag

 

[SainterinSydney]

locked in to play GWS at 12:20pm on Sunday in R24. looks like Nas will be able to announce his 10-year extension at the Seaford Hotel after all

I will be at that game. Bloody hope it isn't the last time we see him in our colours...

 

[CaptainRisky]

I'd take Nas at his word, "the club and the manager are working it out". It's an unprecedented situation with his recent form and being uncontracted. They are obviously crunching numbers.

For some supposedly in Law you can be quiet naive at times , what did you think he was going to say , f, ck the saints I'm outa here

 

[phantom13]

Agreed, I can't recall a club who splurged significant cap space on one player and won a flag

At a point you can sell success for players to take less coin.

Look at Brisbanes list, how many of those guys could get more elsewhere. ****ing heaps of them.

We don’t have that now so just pay him, then try to convince him

 

[SainterinSydney]

For some supposedly in Law you can be quiet naive at times , what did you think he was going to say , f, ck the saints I'm outa here

He could have said he is parking it to the end of the season and wants to concentrate on football, which is the usual quote. Not being naive, just looking at all the evidence before us at the moment and the only evidence really that points to him leaving at the moment is that he hasn't signed yet. I won't repeat ad nauseum all the other factors which point to him staying.

This whole saga has been interesting as it definitely shows the glass half empty compared to the glass half full supporters.

 

[Joffaboy]

Yep fair - no sleep lost on my side.

I think you can have the best source in the world but until pen hits paper and his standing in front of the media it’s all speculation whether inside knowledge speculation or complete guessing.

Given this example a number of times, but was told to me personally by him that O'Meara was either going to Carlton or North and he ended up at the Hawks. He would have been as ITK as can be as it was about himself, but it was not correct. Maybe at the time it was, but things change.
That why I cut info from people some slack, things change.

 

[CaptainRisky]

This joint is absolutely cooked , the amount of rubbish getting posted at the moment is at all time high levels, there must be about 50 people with contacts at the club judging by the amount of " Iv heard , I'm told posts.
Everyone so desperate to known as the king of Big footy.
Someone even went out on a limb and said he is waiting until the end of the season , that's outrageous

 

[thekizzler]

The guy playing fullback now?

Still not sure about Caminiti as a defender.

Not sure about him at any position, tbh.

Not saying he can't make it but he is a little slow to react to forward movement and gives away too many free kicks.

When wrestling one-on-one, he is pretty solid at stopping his opponent though.

He certainly has the competitive spirit but not sure if that's going to translate to being a successful full back.

EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm not writing him off, but I would be 50-50 on him making it long-term as a defender at the moment. And less confident he will develop into a gun defender.

 

[The Punter]

We are not winning a premiership with Caminiti as our full back

So he's the finished product right now?