West Coast - When will the AFL step in?

[bzparkes]

Had the opportunity to grab a handful of draftees, develop them together at the same time. It was a deep draft too. Was always the right choice for a club rebuilding that needed to plug many holes.

It would've been a horrific decision.

We needed a marquee player, not some random role-players. We have/had heaps of those already.

 

[FlyHigh18]

It would've been a horrific decision.

We needed a marquee player, not some random role-play era. We have/had heaps of those already.

Disagree. Clubs going through a major rebuild don’t need a marquee player. They need darts for the board and a lot of them.

 

[bzparkes]

If you didn't get Harley Reid at pick 1.....

Say if demons handed you picks 6, 11 , 42 and that 2026 future 1st, eagles would of got 4 solid players for pick 1.

Crows used their 1st rounder on Daniel Curtin. Would he be in the eagles best 23?

Sure but what does Curtin, as an outsider/winger do for our clearance game?

Nothing

 

[bzparkes]

Disagree. Clubs going through a major rebuild don’t need a marquee player. They need darts for the board and a lot of them.

We did darts the year before and darts again the year after.

You don't pass up on a talent like Reid falling in your lap for the mystery box, because that's what you're trying to find with your picks to begin with.

Hindsight has more than vindicated that decision.

 

[FreoGirl]

It seems dire at the eagles at the moment.

Quickest way in their situation is to draft lots of local teenagers and develop them.

Not too many experienced AFL players will want to go to a side that posted a 1 win season

And more may follow Allen out the door..

 

[Freomaniac]

we’ve lost very few players. Judd is the only big name player we’ve lost.

So I don’t know what on earth you are talking about.

If a kid (such as sheezel for instance) tells us he’s going to piss off home very first chance he gets, we take that seriously and look to draft elsewhere.

We have found over time that kids that come from vic country move to Perth and love it, most stay after footy.

So if there are two players around the same pick - ones from melbs and ones from country vic we are likely to take the country kid.

If there’s a melbs kid and a wa kid around the same mark and the Melbourne kid has intimated that he doesn’t want to leave. Melbourne we will pick the W.A. kid.

If there’s a Melbourne kid and he has intimated that he wants to stay in Victoria and there’s no W.A./ vic country or South Australian kid in that pic Area we tend to split the pick.

That’s the reality of it.

We haven’t had a problem retaining players because we play the game according to the paradigm that exists where Vic kids openly say they don’t want to leave home and the VFL media says sfa or if an interstate kid says the same the VFL media call it draft tampering and it’s the end of the world and he shouldn’t be allowed to….

The VFL media never shuts up about Harley Reid coming home and how we shouldn’t draft him and has a tanty when JHF goes home.

We are used to it and plan accordingly.

You are right about the country Victorian kids.

If those country kids are good enough and they are treated well by the WA clubs, good chance they will spend their entire playing career there.

One docker example is David Mundy. We got 18 or 19 years of a playing career out of him. That is mental considering WA sides travel to the other side of the country every 2nd week

 

[Freomaniac]

Disagree. Clubs going through a major rebuild don’t need a marquee player. They need darts for the board and a lot of them.

Good points.

Sometimes you gotta take a risk and trade a top 5 pick to get 3 or 4 or 5 solid players.

Dockers In 2016 traded pick 3 to GWS.

Dockers got Cam McCarthy, picks 8, 32 and 72.

Pick 8 ended up Griffin Logue, that pick 32 ended up as Brennan Cox or Sean Darcy. Pick 72 ended up as Luke Ryan.

You don't do it often. Sometimes it worth trading a top 5 pick to eventually get 3 or 4 solid players

 

[Freomaniac]

Sure but what does Curtin, as an outsider/winger do for our clearance game?

Nothing

Funny that the crows have actually played him on a wing in some games.

You could of used demons pick 11 to get another Vic country inside mid.

Funny that 20 of the 1st 23 picks in that 2023 draft came from the tac cup or under 18 cup. So essentially country Victoria

 

[Shueygod]

If you didn't get Harley Reid at pick 1.....

Say if demons handed you picks 6, 11 , 42 and that 2026 future 1st, eagles would of got 4 solid players for pick 1.

Crows used their 1st rounder on Daniel Curtin. Would he be in the eagles best 23?

42 would have been a solid player? **** that’s generous.

Had the opportunity to grab a handful of draftees, develop them together at the same time. It was a deep draft too. Was always the right choice for a club rebuilding that needed to plug many holes.

Nah, two extra middling players are certainly not making up the gap between Mckercher and Reid.

 

[Shueygod]

Disagree. Clubs going through a major rebuild don’t need a marquee player. They need darts for the board and a lot of them.

So then why did North offer the trade?

You can accumulate darts for the board over multiple seasons, you get one or two chances at a player of Reid’s calibre per rebuild.

 

[Freomaniac]

42 would have been a solid player? **** that’s generous.

Nah, two extra middling players are certainly not making up the gap between Mckercher and Reid.

Well just an example..... Crows used pick 36 in the 2021 draft on Jake Soligo. So it's not impossible

 

[the harry]

Disagree. Clubs going through a major rebuild don’t need a marquee player. They need darts for the board and a lot of them.

Your making it sound like we haven't turned over the list. To start next season about 75% of our list will have been at the club for 4 years or less.

 

[kranky al]

Nice one.
Freo have double that. Even GWS who lose players regularly have 12

Who lose players regularly……

Time will tell. The idea is to draft a bunch of kids who grow into a team all around the same age profile…. And win a flag.

Of the three teams there - gws, freo and eagles…………


Freo and gws have lost a heap of players ……..

 

[kranky al]

Why should the AFL step in? They are the richest club in the league who won a premiership recently and get high draft picks every year and scammed pick 2 for Oscar Allen.

The richest club in the league would have huge relevance in a league without a soft cap on spending…….

 

[Rich01]

Not vic metro you say?

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He represented Vic Country Krank.
You got your wires crossed?

 

[kranky al]

He represented Vic Country Krank.
You got your wires crossed?

The multiple popped collars …. Metro…..


Goddamn it if you have to explain a gag….

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

The richest club in the league would have huge relevance in a league without a soft cap on spending…….

You can spend what you like on recruiting

 

[Rich01]

The multiple popped collars …. Metro…..


Goddamn it if you have to explain a gag….

Yeah not one of your best mate.

 

[Obeanie1]

Brisbane openly do the same.

In fairness to Vic Metro kids its also largely psychological.

A Vic Country or a Tasmanian kid (other than someone born in Geelong) knows that if he is drafted he is leaving his home town and family regardless. In fact a huge proportion of country kids in general will leave their home town for education/work at some point even beyond footballl so a lot of their mates will leave as well.

WA and SA kids know it is almost certain.

So Vic Country/WA and SA kids come to terms with out it before leaving the draft.

Its only the Vic Metro kids who know they have a good chance to stay at home and play AFL so don't come to terms with leaving predraft. Plus almost all of their school mates won't leave either.

Vic Metro kids get embedded into Melbourne clubs etc. They are under the nose of Melbourne clubs since they were 15 yrs old. So they align with......Melbourne clubs.

Many of them are academy linked to Melbourne clubs.

Vic Country kids....not to the dame degree.

That's the reality. Being private school boys with rich families grows entitlement of having a choice where they live and play.

Vic Country kids and interstate kids (not from a expansion club) know chances are they must leave home to play AFL.

 

[Obeanie1]

You can spend what you like on recruiting

Quality throw away line there.


We can spend all we like on recruiting. Doesn't give you access to the best talent does it?

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Quality throw away line there.


We can spend all we like on recruiting. Doesn't give you access to the best talent does it?

If you can afford more scouts it does

 

[bzparkes]

You can spend what you like on recruiting

With the soft cap?

Nope.

 

[flyinghi64]

J would think making the best 22 under 22 side might be a starting point.. but the judges clearly don’t agree with you.

Which tells you all you need to know about the criteria for selection.
Seriously impressive season, most weeks playing on oppo's best/most dangerous forward and nullifying their influence.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

With the soft cap?

Nope.

You can recruit volunteers

 

[Obeanie1]

J would think making the best 22 under 22 side might be a starting point.. but the judges clearly don’t agree with you.

Players from the West being outside the Melbourne bubble need to be twice the player to get noticed.

They often take longer to get noticed and make AA squads and teams.

Nothing new about that.