Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion Part 2

[57 Milner]

Of course it's biased.........

 

[doppleganger]

Interesting stat here.

NO Docklands tenant has finished in the top 4 since GWS entered the league and it expanded to 18 teams. Literally 15 years where Carlton, , Essendon, North, Bulldogs and St Kilda have been basically shut out. Bulldogs had two amazing runs to the GF from outside the top 4, which is pretty incredible in hindsight. Carlton made a prelim but stalled playing away in Brisbane. That's basically it.

In that time span ALL of the MCG tenants have won a premiership. Of the non Melbourne teams all have made a GF except Port and GC, and Port have twice lost home prelim finals.

Maybe this thread should be about the clear systematic bias faced by Docklands teams?

The only problem with that is Carlton play more games at the G than the Hawks do.

It is just a bias against Melbourne teams.

Who would have guessed an SA team and Geelong are top2 at the end of H&A season again.

12th time in the 21st century an SA side has finished top2, and 11th time Geelong have.

Playing at two neutral grounds isn't as advantageous as actually retaining a strong home ground.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

That's not a Vic bias thing, it's a Collingwood thing. They're used to getting the rub of the green. Their game plan's revolved around it for years.
Richmond, on the other hand, gets reamed week in, week out since 2017. Never a word mentioned.

this is bullshit. Richmond gave away a lot of frees because their game style but proper umpiring would have seen them concede a lot more

 

[Mr Meow]

The only problem with that is Carlton play more games at the G than the Hawks do.

It is just a bias against Melbourne teams.

Who would have guessed an SA team and Geelong are top2 at the end of H&A season again.

12th time in the 21st century an SA side has finished top2, and 11th time Geelong have.

Playing at two neutral grounds isn't as advantageous as actually retaining a strong home ground.

It's a travesty that Geelong finished top 2, with their pathetic 9-4 record in games away from Geelong in 2025.

That 69% win rate in non-Geelong games would only be good for 16 wins if extrapolated across 23 games.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

It gets broadcast nationally, but Victoria is it's biggest market and thus it gets the most coverage. I don't know how you can expect that to change. It's like expecting the city of Newcastle to receive as much coverage in the News as the city of Sydney. Or expecting Norwood footy club to receive as much coverage as Port.

Complaints about the broadcasters impact on fixturing are legit. But media targetting the bigger market? What can you do to change that?

Maybe you can’t change it, doesn’t mean that it’s not true and it’s the dominating perspective.

I also believe it impacts what the average punter thinks about the game.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Vic bias my arse

umpiring at edihad or mcg is nothing like what teams cop when they go interstate.

Adelaide Oval or back in the day Perth etc

Watch Collingwood v Adelaide or Suns v Port at Adelaide Oval last 2 weeks if you still don´t get it.

Lol that Adelaide v Collingwood game last week was no where near as bad as your average mcg umpiring of the same fixture.

Collingwood benefited from Gold Coast losing

 

[sr36]

Maybe you can’t change it, doesn’t mean that it’s not true and it’s the dominating perspective.

I also believe it impacts what the average punter thinks about the game.

The Vic media perspective is the dominating footy perspective in Vic, NSW and QLD - I don't think that's the case in SA where 5AA, the local Sen SA broadasts and The Advertiser are pretty influential and levels above in terms of bias.

 

[The Tilt]

this is bullshit. Richmond gave away a lot of frees because their game style but proper umpiring would have seen them concede a lot more

Can I suggest a new thread titled something along the lines of "No, my club is the biggest victim"? You and Grin can continue the discussion there.

 

[Grin]

this is bullshit. Richmond gave away a lot of frees because their game style but proper umpiring would have seen them concede a lot more

Ahhhh, So a Vic club getting the rub of the green = VICBias conspiracy. Outrageous, unbearable injustice.
Where as a Vic club not getting the rub of the green = Nothing to see here. It's the way they play.

I thought that little trap would be way too obvious, even for you VICBias cookers.

 

[Grin]

Can I suggest a new thread titled something along the lines of "No, my club is the biggest victim"? You and Grin can continue the discussion there.

I was reflecting his argument back to him to see what his response would be.
His response was predictable.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Ahhhh, So a Vic club getting the rub of the green = VICBias conspiracy. Outrageous, unbearable injustice.
Where as a Vic club not getting the rub of the green = Nothing to see here. It's the way they play.

I thought that little trap would be way too obvious, even for you VICBias cookers.

I didn’t even bing up average umpiring performances. That was you playing the victim not me, I’m just responding to your claim that Richmond are hard done by.

My original point is that the media harps on when Victorian clubs think they’re the one getting the tough end, not who gets it more.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

I was reflecting his argument back to him to see what his response would be.
His response was predictable.

What ? Lol

Your response wasn’t a reflection, it a bogus whinge about Richmond not based in reality.

 

[Grin]

I didn’t even bing up average umpiring performances. That was you playing the victim not me, I’m just responding to your claim that Richmond are hard done by.

My original point is that the media harps on when Victorian clubs think they’re the one getting the tough end, not who gets it more.

No they don’t
They harp on when Collingwood gets the rough end

Conspiracy myth busted
You’ll need to find something else to wine about

 

[Cyclops]

Hard not to see things narrowly.

Pies enjoy enormous advantages, starting with money. Since the league was founded we've been the milch cow for revenue, by putting bums on seats and later eyes on screens.

I understand its boring if one club buys success. I think soccer is disgusting with the uneven playing field.

Funnily enough the money hasn't always been easy for Colingwood, we used to pay our players less (and many stars left for the money, fair enough too).

There's a myth John Wren handed out bundles of pound notes and rigged season after season, which is bigoted lies

However we had a strong team spirit and young blokes wanted to play for us.

The league has taken steps down the years to "even up the comp), which, lets be honest, means "take flags off Collingwood and give them to other clubs".

The suburban zones made some sense. Father son is a good rule, but it was brought in so Barrassi would play for Melbourne (he was zoned to us).

Country zones was a rort, really corrupt. Essendon and Collingwood were punished so Carlton could benefit, and Hawthorn was gifted St Kildas suburban zone.

10 year rule /free agency was a good idea but the league could not help tampering with it. Same with the salary cap.

So if you want Collingwoods unequal wealth and popularity to be addressed (ie flags taken off us) don't trust the league. End the tampering.

We do enjoy a biased position. Its partly because I pay for a season ticket and go to games. You can help your club by buying a season ticket and going to your games. Have kids. Raise them to be loyal and fertile. Do your bit, I am doing mine.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

No they don’t
They harp on when Collingwood gets the rough end

Conspiracy myth busted
You’ll need to find something else to wine about

What conspiracy?

The only one claiming there’s a conspiracy is you, about Richmond?

 

[Grin]

What conspiracy?

The only one claiming there’s a conspiracy is you, about Richmond?

The VICBias conspiracy, for which you claimed you have irrefutable evidence.
Not something as it turns out

 

[PrancingPony]

AFL won't be too happy with only one final in Victoria in the first week.

 

[The Feeder Club]

AFL won't be too happy with only one final in Victoria in the first week.

I dont think that will bother them too much. What they'll desperately be hoping doesn't happen is no prelims in Melbourne

 

[PrancingPony]

I dont think that will bother them too much. What they'll desperately be hoping doesn't happen is no prelims in Melbourne

They might be disappointed as I'd back both of Adelaide and Brisbane to win their respective games.

 

[p4p1]

I dont think that will bother them too much. What they'll desperately be hoping doesn't happen is no prelims in Melbourne

I may have bias in the Brisbane game but I think both non-Victorian teams should go into the qualifying finals as favourites.

 

[The Feeder Club]

They might be disappointed as I'd back both of Adelaide and Brisbane to win their respective games.

I may have bias in the Brisbane game but I think both non-Victorian teams should go into the qualifying finals as favourites.

Bookies have Geelong and Adelaide favourites at this stage but who knows, it's too far off yet to even know about player availability, weather etc. Will Neale get up to play for example?

 

[doppleganger]

I dont think that will bother them too much. What they'll desperately be hoping doesn't happen is no prelims in Melbourne

Happy to get 55k in Adelaide, 60k in Perth and 90k at the G in week 1.

A shame that stuck with GWS final, and then the low capacity GABBA final at some point. Big losses in revenue for the league in those games.

They will be ok with a guarantee that two of the week 2 & 3 finals are at the G.

 

[Mr Meow]

I may have bias in the Brisbane game but I think both non-Victorian teams should go into the qualifying finals as favourites.

I and most Geelong supporters agree about the Brisbane game.

Not that we're without a chance, but Brisbane have the recent h2h form line, a more talented list and the 2024 premiership self belief. They're also better on the road than at home.

 

[p4p1]

Bookies have Geelong and Adelaide favourites at this stage but who knows, it's too far off yet to even know about player availability, weather etc. Will Neale get up to play for example?

Berry will be a big in for us, it sounds like Neale will play in the first final as well.
Hipwood is a big out for us because our best option for his replacement is a 2 gamer.
Payne was a big out but Gardiner has been serviceable.

 

[p4p1]

I and most Geelong supporters agree about the Brisbane game.

Not that we're without a chance, but Brisbane have the recent h2h form line, a more talented list and the 2024 premiership self belief. They're also better on the road than at home.

I'm more confident because this game is at the MCG rather than at the Gabba which is strange.
If we win we have to play a PF at the Gabba which is a worry.