List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[hangdog]

I’m with Gringo here. He is a pretty big POD in a very vanilla side. Even if he only manages his. Customary 12 disposals and a goal. I’m pretty confident in saying he probably creates 2-3 more a game aswell.

As a fan. I’d also go just to watch him jump on someone’s head aswell

The head jumping next year is going to be elite with Ryan, De Koning, Tauru, Owens, Keeler, Collard, Nas. Even Hastie took a screamer this year

 

[True Believer]

"It’s as messy a list as there arguably is… I don’t know where they’re at."

Damian Barrett and Laura Spurway discuss St Kilda's list management and the possibility of a rebuild on AFL Daily.

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campaigner

 

[Moral Decay]

At the end of last season and the end of this I rated all clubs on what they needed and what they did to fill those holes. There are all sorts of unknowables, conversations that we will never know about and we have to allow that list managers will be working with a 4year plan. Though I am assuming that the club believe that the base is there for a push for the flag from 2027 on.

All that said, just on this years efforts our needs are.

1) Key forward: this can be filled by King returning, Caminiti, Keeler and Dodson. All of these are dodgy options and I'd hope we draft a young key forward. Though not a high priority. Open.

2) A first ruck: One that can win contest and tap to advantage. Allowing expectation that the changes in the ruck rules mean that priority will be given to rucks that can jump. TDK in and we must develop Keeler and Dodson. Ticked

3) A gun mid: Our kids are developing and Nas could be anything but a gun mid is what we have needed and wanted for years. Sam Flander and McKenzie don't fill that description. Fladers can't get a mid place and McKenzie cant get a game in a midfield that is crying out for vision and foot skills. I'm not worried about the money I am worried about the draft picks needed to get contracted players out of other clubs. Open.

4) A small forward: Higgo is a lock, Butts is fading, Liam Henry looks good but has problems with his body and with Lance can look good I'm not convinced. Liam Ryan

1

Liam Ryan

Age

29

Ht

181cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

is a little old but if we are looking to be in the finals next year, he's ideal. Ticked.

5) A key defender: JSOS fits the criteria perfectly, Howard has another year Tauru developing and Caminiti a real possibiltiy. Ticked.

What could happen.
Roma plays as a key forward for a couple of years or we trade him to Geelong for pick 18(?).
We've guaranteed end of first for Carlton call it pick 20(?). Trade pick 7 for 9 and 20 from Carlton. Use 9. 18, 20 and future first for WestCoast pick 2, get the gun mid we want. But then maybe the recruiters don't rate this draft or the price is too high. Maybe keep Roma and trade for a lower pick and hope for a key forward.

Either way with TDK, JSOS and Liam Ryan

1

Liam Ryan

Age

29

Ht

181cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

we're looking to play finals next year, they all come straight in and are upgrades on what we have, with natural improvement in our kids the next 4 years can be anything. I don't see Fladers or Frenchie moving the needle they will cost draft picks we could use to trade into better options.

Edit Unless we have absolutely committed to Aleer I'd pass on him.

 

[TheJackal]

Tobie over Murphy is in danger of becoming the new Billings over Bont or Paddy over Petracca after year 1.

Kinda joking, but honestly, Murphy Reid is a bloody gun and we all knew it!!!

 

[Joffaboy]

Murphy Reid is a star

A few of us were on the Reid bandwagon last draft.
Travaglia and Tauru were good, but with Boxshall, Barrat and Dodson, it was an all round good draft.
But gee I wish we could have somehow pick up Reid.

 

[True Believer]

That's right, because he's got a "soft spot" for him.

Yeah, it's called his head!

 

[hangdog]

So what is everyones opinion on what Liam Ryan is going to cost ?

Similar to Macrae

 

[hangdog]

Maybe Ollie Florent… ex Sandy boy, has been on the outer under Cox

Is he a Webster replacement? Or another HBF?

 

[hangdog]

"It’s as messy a list as there arguably is… I don’t know where they’re at."

Damian Barrett and Laura Spurway discuss St Kilda's list management and the possibility of a rebuild on AFL Daily.

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Pathetic "journalist"

 

[TheJackal]

Similar to Macrae

We took on Macrae's salary though, hence the cheaper price - despite Dogs attempts to get us to overpay.

 

[TheJackal]

Saw MacKenzie had a decent game with 31 touches. Voss in the other VFL match up to 21 and 7 marks at half time!

Ill order both thank you!

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

The potential is still there. I’m sitting down to watch Freo Suns rn, and Ben Long is a good example of how some players can really bloom late, he’s 28.

I’m sure there are many other better examples (mighty_sainters gave Zac Dawson as an example) but a change of scenery, system and coaches can have an impact.

I think the potential is there for all to see, whether or not it actualises is another thing all together that most of us are carefully dubious of

Ben Long was good for us at times, but another one who got thrown around abit with us.
He did well in the forward line when we were going well too.
Not a good example l'd have to say.

 

[Minga]

Tobie over Murphy is in danger of becoming the new Billings over Bont or Paddy over Petracca after year 1.

Kinda joking, but honestly, Murphy Reid is a bloody gun and we all knew it!!!

I mean yeah, obvs a joke, but 16 kids were drafted before Reid so I think we’re safe, happens every year. Remember when Jaidyn Stevenson looked like the hottest recruit around and won the RS?

Alas, Trav looks the goods, keen to see how he develops.

 

[True Believer]

campaigner

This is my only gripe with this forum.......I never typed "campaigner".......

 

[Mat Mann]

At the end of last season and the end of this I rated all clubs on what they needed and what they did to fill those holes. There are all sorts of unknowables, conversations that we will never know about and we have to allow that list managers will be working with a 4year plan. Though I am assuming that the club believe that the base is there for a push for the flag from 2027 on.

All that said, just on this years efforts our needs are.

1) Key forward: this can be filled by King returning, Caminiti, Keeler and Dodson. All of these are dodgy options and I'd hope we draft a young key forward. Though not a high priority. Open.

2) A first ruck: One that can win contest and tap to advantage. Allowing expectation that the changes in the ruck rules mean that priority will be given to rucks that can jump. TDK in and we must develop Keeler and Dodson. Ticked

3) A gun mid: Our kids are developing and Nas could be anything but a gun mid is what we have needed and wanted for years. Sam Flander and McKenzie don't fill that description. Fladers can't get a mid place and McKenzie cant get a game in a midfield that is crying out for vision and foot skills. I'm not worried about the money I am worried about the draft picks needed to get contracted players out of other clubs. Open.

4) A small forward: Higgo is a lock, Butts is fading, Liam Henry looks good but has problems with his body and with Lance can look good I'm not convinced. Liam Ryan is a little old but if we are looking to be in the finals next year, he's ideal. Ticked.

5) A key defender: JSOS fits the criteria perfectly, Howard has another year Tauru developing and Caminiti a real possibiltiy. Ticked.

What could happen.
Roma plays as a key forward for a couple of years or we trade him to Geelong for pick 18(?).
We've guaranteed end of first for Carlton call it pick 20(?). Trade pick 7 for 9 and 20 from Carlton. Use 9. 18, 20 and future first for WestCoast pick 2, get the gun mid we want. But then maybe the recruiters don't rate this draft or the price is too high. Maybe keep Roma and trade for a lower pick and hope for a key forward.

Either way with TDK, JSOS and Liam Ryan we're looking to play finals next year, they all come straight in and are upgrades on what we have, with natural improvement in our kids the next 4 years can be anything. I don't see Fladers or Frenchie moving the needle they will cost draft picks we could use to trade into better options.

Edit Unless we have absolutely committed to Aleer I'd pass on him.

good to see you post

In order 3, 5, 1&4 then 2

Mids should still be our priority, Flanders and using 1st rnd pick on one if possible. I like the prospects of Hall, Garcia and Boxshall, but realistically, they need another year.

I think the aim would be to push top 4 in 2027

 

[Minga]

Ben Long was good for us at times, but another one who got thrown around abit with us.
He did well in the forward line when we were going well too.
Not a good example l'd have to say.

Many were very happy to see the back of him for what we thought was overs in return (something like pick 32 IIRC).

He was good at times but also a whipping boy.

Aleer has also been good at times for GWS in his limited exposure. Definitely shows potential, and definitely young enough for growth. I’m not sold on him but just wouldn’t write him off either.

 

[Mat Mann]

This is my only gripe with this forum.......I never typed "campaigner".......

then be lucky the profanity checker kicked in

 

[True Believer]

then be lucky the profanity checker kicked in

Twas a joke Joyce........

 

[Saints4ever]

Flanders with 2 disposals and 1 turnover. 73% TOG so far.

Being played out of position.

Would be a good midfield rotation for us.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

4,200 crowd going off down in Frankston.
And really like the players kit
Darby Hipwell got them going early in the 2nd qrt.
Then Jackson Voss started to become influential with his precise kicking
Although he has had 3 clanger kicks by kicking it straight into the oppo player, no harm done by any of them, though.
Tom Blamires & Tyson Milne have been fairly good also.

 

[LazarPoodovic]

I heard he’s meeting with Heeney!

 

[stavro#4]

Being played out of position.

Would be a good midfield rotation for us.

Not disagreeing.

Just an observation.

Starting to think he wouldn’t be worth pick 7. Thinking more Marshall pick

 

[Saints4ever]

Not disagreeing.

Just an observation.

Starting to think he wouldn’t be worth pick 7. Thinking more Marshall pick

Playing pure midfield I’d give up pick 7.

would love watching him rack it up in the middle wearing the Red White and Black.

I don’t think he would let us down.

Elite accumulator given the chance.

 

[hangdog]

Surely sanity prevails. I didn’t see the need for Aleer when we had Wilkie, Caminiti and Tauru- with Howard another option, with us having just spent a valuable pick in a strong draft on Barrat, and with Keeler showing he can play down back if needed- so why in the wide world we’d feel the need to get him now that we have SOSOS as well is just bewildering to me.

He doesn’t seem any better than Caminiti (who’s barely done an AFL preseason) now, yet Hammer is still just a baby in AFL key position terms, so surely he takes big steps forward over the next two years. Which could make him much better than Aleer is now, when he’s the age Aleer is now.

Spot on

 

[hangdog]

Do Swans get Curnow?

Sorry mate, are you lost?