Patrick Dangerfield - potential GOAT?

[DearJai]

Martin is not even a great kick. Just looks prettier. The only real great contested midfielder I can think of that's a great kick is Ablett

Dusty was a very neat looking kick of the footy, I would agree with that point. So was Ablett Jr. He really placed the ball on his foot on the run.

Great contested midfielders who could kick well above the norm? Luke Hodge is the first other player that comes to mind, Darren Jarman the next, and probably Andrew McCloud after that. There are actually a lot more than you think. Aside from James Hird and Nat Fyfe, I can't think of too many other great players who couldn't kick well.

Sam Mitchell became a great kick off both feet, often playing exclusively as a contested mid. Michael Voss was a fairly incredible kick of the footy too, and he was certainly at least on a par with Danger as a contested player.

There's no shame in Dangerfield not having been a good kick for much of his career.

It took a bit of time, but he's cleaned it up a lot since coming to Geelong.

Guy is a monster at a lot of other things, didn't need to be a good kick to be effective early on. Just like Isaac Smith improved out of sight as a contested player late in his career, but hadn't really needed to have that in his game on the back of his high level run and kicking.

 

[Lethal09]

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Pretty close to it.

Legend.

 

[shaqsuns]

Modern day great - sure.

In the same league as Ablett, Judd, Martin, Matthews (never saw him, relying on the old geezers here) - No.

Probably more on the list with Voss, Buckley, Hird, Harvey etc.,

 

[Macca180]

the answer is YES

 

[MisterMarcus]

After 20 pages of melting last night, we're now trying the reverse mozz.....

 

[Xtreme]

Would love to see your list of 100 players better than Danger

I'm sure I could fit Priddis in there some how!!

Dusty was the difference in 2020, Danger should have got it in 2022.

A former Hawthorn player was the difference for Geelong that season. And absolutely deserved the NS in the 2022 grand final.

 

[Xtreme]

I'm going to say no

For all of his brilliance his reputation for staging for free kicks knocks him down.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Well I will agree to disagree with you there, as Danger has been a mid forward in the latter part of his career, and Dusty had the unstoppable fend off.
Tonight Danger was Dusty-like in the clinches though which was remarkable for a 35yo.

No player in the history of the game has enjoyed such a personal ride from the umps and more broadly the teams ride .
He’s tenure as players association president and all of Geelongs connection / past employment within AFL house had served them well .

Astonishing is the only way to describe the ongoing decision making which alters momentum .
Is he in the top 5 all time at Geelong ? I’m not so sure .

 

[joe444]

Oh lord, a non-troll from the OP? Or is this a set-up so that his Richmond board mates can try to spread the conspiracy theory a bit more?

I think shaqsuns nailed it, but I don't recall him playing many bad finals. So he's in that special category, too.

Indeed, when I think of some of our more forgettable performances about the only highlights I can remember come from him just imposing himself to kick a long goal in an effort to keep the side in it.

And oddly enough the one knock on his game - goalkicking is actually more about a few seasons when he completely lost the radar.

Last night just confirmed what Geelong fans already knew, I suspect.

 

[darcytiger]

Was amazing last night, such a bull. He is so massive through the torso.

Really wish he wouldn’t do that jumping forward when slightly touched in the marking contest.

 

[SleepingGiant]

He's already past him.

Comfortably.

Bullshit. Nobody will ever come close to Martin’s finals run. It’s like comparing MJ to LeBron. Martin came, saw, crushed everyone on the biggest stage and reached a peak nobody else will. Could have kept playing and retired. Dangerfield is flopping around and corrupting match outcomes.

 

[Warhorse]

Dusty was a very neat looking kick of the footy, I would agree with that point. So was Ablett Jr. He really placed the ball on his foot on the run.

Great contested midfielders who could kick well above the norm? Luke Hodge is the first other player that comes to mind, Darren Jarman the next, and probably Andrew McCloud after that. There are actually a lot more than you think. Aside from James Hird and Nat Fyfe, I can't think of too many other great players who couldn't kick well.

Sam Mitchell became a great kick off both feet, often playing exclusively as a contested mid. Michael Voss was a fairly incredible kick of the footy too, and he was certainly at least on a par with Danger as a contested player.

There's no shame in Dangerfield not having been a good kick for much of his career.

It took a bit of time, but he's cleaned it up a lot since coming to Geelong.

Guy is a monster at a lot of other things, didn't need to be a good kick to be effective early on. Just like Isaac Smith improved out of sight as a contested player late in his career, but hadn't really needed to have that in his game on the back of his high level run and kicking.

Jarman and McLeod were not really contested mids. Hodge not in the same league as the other midfielders mentioned. Sort of made my point for me.

 

[Fadge]

Bullshit. Nobody will ever come close to Martin’s finals run. It’s like comparing MJ to LeBron. Martin came, saw, crushed everyone on the biggest stage and reached a peak nobody else will. Could have kept playing and retired. Dangerfield is flopping around and corrupting match outcomes.

I actually thought you were being serious, until I saw your last two sentences.

Then it was clear you were just having a laugh.

Fair enough.

 

[DearJai]

Jarman and McLeod were not really contested mids. Hodge not in the same league as the other midfielders mentioned. Sort of made my point for me.

Not sure if that's a troll... but:

Darren Jarman played most of his career as a contested midfielder/forward.

His final season at Hawthorn was one of the best I've seen from any midfielder, was incredibly sad to see him go. That team had its share of great midfielders too.

Ditto Mc Cloud.

Was a hbf who became an elite mid.

Those two couldn't have been more inside/outside players.

Your Luke Hodge comment is harder to fathom. His breakout early seasons were on ball, and he spent most of his career there (or wherever else they needed him).

If you want to see contested, midfield footy, take a look at his early years matchups with Michael Voss.

 

[Shane Heard]

Martin is not even a great kick. Just looks prettier. The only real great contested midfielder I can think of that's a great kick is Ablett

Robert Harvey..Ricciuto..Mercuri..Simon Black..Craig Bradley..Kouta ..the list is vast.

Kicker wise ..

 

[Shane Heard]

Not sure if that's a troll... but:

Darren Jarman played most of his career as a contested midfielder/forward.

His final season at Hawthorn was one of the best I've seen from any midfielder, was incredibly sad to see him go. That team had its share of great midfielders too.

Ditto Mc Cloud.

Was a hbf who became an elite mid.

Those two couldn't have been more inside/outside players.

Your Luke Hodge comment is harder to fathom. His breakout early seasons were on ball, and he spent most of his career there (or wherever else they needed him).

Hodge is a slightly smaller Hird. Able to play strongly in any position on the field.

A freak player.

 

[DearJai]

Hodge is a slightly smaller Hird. Able to play strongly in any position on the field.

A freak player.

Both of those guys were freaks, no doubt.

We're in this strange era, where as time goes by the great deeds of past players don't become bigger, they somehow become smaller than whatever happened last weekend.

It's a weird phenomenon.

 

[mchal4]

Dangerfield is the best ever player from Moggs Creek

 

[joe444]

Then it was clear you were just having a laugh.

Oh no. They mean it.

I wonder if there are Richmond fans out there who look at the conspiracy theories and think, "I love my club, but this is embarrassing."

 

[Shane Heard]

Both of those guys were freaks, no doubt.

We're in this strange era, where as time goes by the great deeds of past players don't become bigger, they somehow become smaller than whatever happened last weekend.

It's a weird phenomenon.

Mate ..it’s true

No one gives a shit now that Terry Daniher used to swap between CHF and CHB about 5 times a match depending on the whim of his coach K.Sheedy.

And he’d adjust immediately every time and deliver.

Players as versatile as that are as rare as hens teeth. No matter what league you’re in.

 

[Mr Meow]

Both of those guys were freaks, no doubt.

We're in this strange era, where as time goes by the great deeds of past players don't become bigger, they somehow become smaller than whatever happened last weekend.

It's a weird phenomenon.

Nope, people are just marveling at Dangerfield being a dominant force at 35 years old when his body should have broken down 5 years ago like Fyfe.

 

[catstorm]

He's played over 200 games for us, that's double what Farmer played and if he plays our his contract next year he won't be too far off the Abletts clubs game wise.

I'd have him behind Snr only now. He's played in much inferior teams to what the likes of Selwood, Hawkins and Enright did and we've been in contention most years he's been at the Cattery.

10 completed seasons, he's missed finals once.

1 elimination final
8 preliminary finals
3 grand finals

He's pulled so many games out of the fire for us, either as the match winner or the ignition source.

Ok now do the same for Selwood?

16 complete seasons he missed the finals once. 355 games all for the Cats.

245 games as Captain
2 elimination finals
1 semi final
12 Preliminary finals
6 Grand Finals

He pulled so many games out of the fire for us, either as the match winner or the ignition source.

Love Danger and he had one of the all time great performances last night. But as a Cat I simply can’t have him higher then someone like Selwood.

But you are certainly welcome to your own opinion.

 

[Shane Heard]

Dangerfield is the best ever player from Moggs Creek

No shit.

 

[Shane Heard]

Nope, people are just marveling at Dangerfield being a dominant force at 35 years old when his body should have broken down 5 years ago like Fyfe.

Thats an insult to your champion…ffs

 

[Mr Meow]

Thats an insult to your champion…ffs

An insult to say his body should have broken down? It doesn't make physical sense that he can still do what he does at his age.