Recommitted Sam Butler [Re-Signed to 2027]

[HairyO]

This just isn’t based in reality though, reeks of some one that didn’t watch Chesser the last 4 weeks.

One player is not worth significantly more than the other.

Does Chesser have a 4 year contract offer?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Does Chesser have a 4 year contract offer?

You will get crickets in response.

 

[Shueygod]

Does Chesser have a 4 year contract offer?

Chesser has a 2 year offer, I’d imagine another offer is imminent given the eagles seem reluctant to trade him. You typically offer more to bring in players rather than retain them.

Chesser also has a more extensive injury history, meaning a longer deal has far greater risk attached.

Has either player significantly outperformed the other at AFL level?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Chesser has a 2 year offer, I’d imagine another offer is imminent given the eagles seem reluctant to trade him. You typically offer more to bring in players rather than retain them.

Chesser also has a more extensive injury history, meaning a longer deal has far greater risk attached.

Has either player significantly outperformed the other at AFL level?

So Chesser has a more extensive injury history, is being offered less years …. But is worth the same as the kid you’re offering double the amount of years to?

This fails logic.

 

[Shueygod]

So Chesser has a more extensive injury history, is being offered less years …. But is worth the same as the kid you’re offering double the amount of years to?

This fails logic.

We’re trying to poach Butler to move interstate to an awful team, hence the 4 year contract offer.

The same reason that Barrass/Allen were offered larger contracts than the eagles when they were poached.

What are the Hawks offering Butler? I doubt it’s 4 years or he’d likely just stay.

Is there a significant difference in their performance at AFL level?

If they’ve performed the same, and Chesser was a higher draft pick, what would make Butler worth more in your eyes?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

We’re trying to poach Butler to move interstate to an awful team, hence the 4 year contract offer.

The same reason that Barrass/Allen were offered larger contracts than the eagles when they were poached.

What are the Hawks offering Butler? I doubt it’s 4 years or he’d likely just stay.

Is there a significant difference in their performance at AFL level?

If they’ve performed the same, and Chesser was a higher draft pick, what would make Butler worth more in your eyes?

The performing in a much better team and the removal of a history of extensive injuries to begin with.

You can’t seriously be in here posting about Chester’s extensive injury history in one minute while also claiming that he’s gonna be worth the same as someone who’s just played off in a prelim final and has four years being thrown at him.

 

[Lia]

we wouldn’t trade butler for chesser but west coast snatch that deal before it hits the table.

I doubt it.

 

[Shueygod]

The performing in a much better team and the removal of a history of extensive injuries to begin with.

You can’t seriously be in here posting about Chester’s extensive injury history in one minute while also claiming that he’s gonna be worth the same as someone who’s just played off in a prelim final and has four years being thrown at him.

The better team argument can go both ways though, if he played the same role in a worse team his likely averages go down. Obviously he may play in a different role but that’s an if.

He also performed worse the backend of this season despite Chesser missing the first 3/4 due to injury.

History of injuries can go both ways as well, given they’re the same age it could mean Chesser has more development left.

If butler were to go, what do you think hawks would receive?

Not what you feel fair value is, as they’re different answers. As is the case for Chesser as well.

 

[bzparkes]

The performing in a much better team and the removal of a history of extensive injuries to begin with.

You can’t seriously be in here posting about Chester’s extensive injury history in one minute while also claiming that he’s gonna be worth the same as someone who’s just played off in a prelim final and has four years being thrown at him.

Again, you're overvaluing 2 finals performances. Guess his no-show in a prelim devalues him if you want to go down that route?

Fact of the matter is, both players haven't done much in the 4 years on their respective lists, mostly due to injury and they're both out of contract.

It's as simple as that.

 

[garlic munchers]

Would be staggered if he's not got already, or will shortly have, long term negative effects from the complete tib/fib fracture.

I suffered this from a player diving across my leg when going for ball... and my view is, for a break of his nature its impossible not to have circulation complications and issues with ankle/knee wear.

They don't get the bones completely in the same line they were pre-break and this generally refers stress to the inside knee meniscus and inside of the ankle).

The placement (and maybe removal) of the rod is also pretty gruesome and often contributes to ongoing knee soreness and permanent numbness.



Actual break spots aren't the issue.

Offering a 5 year contract would be negligent, particularly on the harder WA grounds (Optus/Min Res)

 

[MasterSamurai]

As posted last night , other clubs have entered the chat all the while Sam hasn't let us know of his intentions just yet.

 

[Hasselhough]

Does Chesser have a 4 year contract offer?

Chesser is a Victorian going home .

Butler is a Victorian being lured by an interstate club who won one game last year .

You are always going to have to pay more in salary and years in the 2nd situation.

Doesn't mean his trade value is more and if you argue it does then it just means that vic teams and non vic teams are not on an even playing field

 

[bzparkes]

Does Chesser have a 4 year contract offer?

2+1 from WCE.

Carlton offering 2 but he wants to go home, so...

 

[parsons nose]

I’d be shocked if he left and I don’t think the club is pushing him out the door

 

[Hasselhough]

I’d be shocked if he left and I don’t think the club is pushing him out the door

your club isn't pushing him but also isn't offering him anything close to the overs we are offering to get him to move interstate.

 

[Mutineer]

Chesser is a Victorian going home .

Butler is a Victorian being lured by an interstate club who won one game last year .

You are always going to have to pay more in salary and years in the 2nd situation.

Doesn't mean his trade value is more and if you argue it does then it just means that vic teams and non vic teams are not on an even playing field

Campbell Chesser is from Lavington N.S.W.

 

[Hasselhough]

Campbell Chesser is from Lavington N.S.W.

Originally.

He went to Melbourne grammer and played for Sandringham and vic country

 

[Mutineer]

Originally.

He went to Melbourne grammer and played for Sandringham and vic country

Only played for Vic Country via the Murray Bushrangers like plenty of NSW lads that come from north of Vic/NSW border.

 

[Spook]

You can't seriously be comparing Reid to Butler?

Your own club was offering him $1.8m per year, as were others.

Reid carried our midfield this entire year, as a 2nd year player. Probably would've won our BnF if he didn't get injured.

He's not exactly some 2nd rounder who's barely managed to get on the park for 4 years, then had a couple of good games at the end of the season.

Talk about missing the point, ffs of course he’s not comparing Reid and Butler as players.

 

[Spook]

I’m assuming you’re rating the bloke that was a higher pick and better performed this season higher?

If anything Chesser has more value.

I’m a west Australian, I watch almost every game each weekend and I didn’t even know who Chesser was. Very average at best. 36 games and did nothing to show me he’s a 150 game player.

 

[bzparkes]

Talk about missing the point, ffs of course he’s not comparing Reid and Butler as players.

Seems it's not me that's missed the point, considering he brought up Reid's contract off a 'couple of good games'...

 

[leighmo]

I’m a west Australian, I watch almost every game each weekend and I didn’t even know who Chesser was. Very average at best. 36 games and did nothing to show me he’s a 150 game player.

For someone who admits to not even knowing Chesser, you sure have some strong opinions on him.

The parallels between Chesser and Butler are glaring (draft year and pick number, lack of opportunity because of injury, stats, recent form). Both are more valuable to their current clubs than what they would be traded for, as both have a high ceiling.

Any argument against this I see as posturing based on limited evidence. Let’s all just admit that both clubs would like to keep their respective players, but if not, whatever Carlton pay for Chesser would be around the mark for what Butler is worth.

 

[Spook]

For someone who admits to not even knowing Chesser, you sure have some strong opinions on him.

The parallels between Chesser and Butler are glaring (draft year and pick number, lack of opportunity because of injury, stats, recent form). Both are more valuable to their current clubs than what they would be traded for, as both have a high ceiling.

Any argument against this I see as posturing based on limited evidence. Let’s all just admit that both clubs would like to keep their respective players, but if not, whatever Carlton pay for Chesser would be around the mark for what Butler is worth.

You do know about the internet, Foxtel and watching replays and highlights of games hey mate? Also stats and for both WAFL and AFL? Chesser is average. Butler is average, maybe a little above as he is in a top 4 team. 23rs best in about a 46 player squad is average for an AFL player.
The difference between the 2 is Butler tries at 100% and Chesser has been in a team where the remaining captain doesn’t chase, even in first minute of a game and another captain wanted out. Butler would bring some IP and good behaviours, Chesser would have limited.
Why does Chesser want to leave? It’s. It for opportunity because his best opportunity would be at west coast.

 

[leighmo]

You do know about the internet, Foxtel and watching replays and highlights of games hey mate? Also stats and for both WAFL and AFL? Chesser is average. Butler is average, maybe a little above as he is in a top 4 team. 23rs best in about a 46 player squad is average for an AFL player.
The difference between the 2 is Butler tries at 100% and Chesser has been in a team where the remaining captain doesn’t chase, even in first minute of a game and another captain wanted out. Butler would bring some IP and good behaviours, Chesser would have limited.
Why does Chesser want to leave? It’s. It for opportunity because his best opportunity would be at west coast.

Like I said, posturing: “average in a better team, bad captains, trust me I’ve got Foxtel.” From not knowing who he was to broad statements on his value, must’ve been one hell of a highlights package you caught.

 

[Shueygod]

You do know about the internet, Foxtel and watching replays and highlights of games hey mate? Also stats and for both WAFL and AFL? Chesser is average. Butler is average, maybe a little above as he is in a top 4 team. 23rs best in about a 46 player squad is average for an AFL player.
The difference between the 2 is Butler tries at 100% and Chesser has been in a team where the remaining captain doesn’t chase, even in first minute of a game and another captain wanted out. Butler would bring some IP and good behaviours, Chesser would have limited.
Why does Chesser want to leave? It’s. It for opportunity because his best opportunity would be at west coast.

Did you watch said replays and highlights in the day after admitting to not knowing who he was?

Chesser is consistently in the top 5 for kms and repeat sprints, strange to suggest he doesn’t try at 100%.

If we want to play this game, Chesser was drafted to a club with a premiership player and morn smith medalist as captain while Butlers captains have been a journeyman ruck and a bloke that was ill disciplined flog that hasn’t won anything yet.