List Mgmt. Draftee, NGA and Father/Son Discussion - 2025

[Corn69]

With Chesser leaving I suspect we're trying to trade up for either Lindsay or Grlj for that outside run.

Lindsay seems the likely of the 2 to slide down.

I think we'll end up with Duursma/CDT and Lindsay (if we trade up).

I know people have their favs (Sharp & Cummings), but the above 3 are also pretty exciting prospects.

CDT is very risky, but if he works out, he could become a 20+ disposal and 20+ hit out ruckman who hits the scoreboard regularly. Plus he'll pretty much develop with our young midfield.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Oh please, there is an absolute pile-on by people who are only willing to meaningfully discuss this kid’s perceived flaws. There are five critics for every fan of his. You were just questioning his football IQ and there is a theme of “can’t ruck, can’t mark” that is being repeated ad nauseum. I’m not being critical of you personally, it’s just the relentless discourse.

I think this is all a misunderstanding of his value as a prospect. Him being rated as highly as he is represents the league valuing ground ball ability and having an extra midfielder over ruck ability. There is merit to this - most rucks are largely ineffectual and the best often differentiate themselves because of their ability around the ground. Richmond experimented with abandoning the position altogether and I’m surprised this hasn’t evolved faster.We’re now seeing traditional rucks selected later and later in the draft for this very reason.

Make no mistake, he is one of the best ruck prospects that has ever come through in this respect. He moves like a midfielder, runs off his opponent and has genuinely good skills. He can kick goals either as a marking forward, a receiver in transition or hunting ground balls in the forward 50. He is potentially much more effectual than a ruck who can win hitouts, take a contested mark or two around the ground but otherwise offer little.

Again, I don’t want to draft him because I think it’s a conceptual gamble that we can’t afford to take, Archer Reid should be explored in that position first and there are other good ruck prospects coming up soon if Reid doesn’t pan out. But this simplistic “he’s not a good ruckman and isn’t good enough of a mark to be a key forward” doesn’t actually capture his value as a prospect.

We agree in the end.

Can you name the games you watched him play where his “elite” attributes stood out?

 

[rfarlz]

Oh please, there is an absolute pile-on by people who are only willing to meaningfully discuss this kid’s perceived flaws. There are five critics for every fan of his. You were just questioning his football IQ and there is a theme of “can’t ruck, can’t mark” that is being repeated ad nauseum. I’m not being critical of you personally, it’s just the relentless discourse.

I think this is all a misunderstanding of his value as a prospect. Him being rated as highly as he is represents the league valuing ground ball ability and having an extra midfielder over ruck ability. There is merit to this - most rucks are largely ineffectual and the best often differentiate themselves because of their ability around the ground. Richmond experimented with abandoning the position altogether and I’m surprised this hasn’t evolved faster.We’re now seeing traditional rucks selected later and later in the draft for this very reason.

Make no mistake, he is one of the best ruck prospects that has ever come through in this respect. He moves like a midfielder, runs off his opponent and has genuinely good skills. He can kick goals either as a marking forward, a receiver in transition or hunting ground balls in the forward 50. He is potentially much more effectual than a ruck who can win hitouts, take a contested mark or two around the ground but otherwise offer little.

Again, I don’t want to draft him because I think it’s a conceptual gamble that we can’t afford to take, Archer Reid should be explored in that position first and there are other good ruck prospects coming up soon if Reid doesn’t pan out. But this simplistic “he’s not a good ruckman and isn’t good enough of a mark to be a key forward” doesn’t actually capture his value as a prospect.

Is playing a tall who is a below-average ruck, but is OK as a midfielder better than just abandoning the ruck alltogether and playing an extra midfielder? I don't think so.

CDT is a much better prospect as a midfielder than most other ruckmen, but I don't think his midfield ability makes up for his shortcomings as a ruck. And I believe that is why most posters here don't want him, we don't need an average midfielder who can pinch hit in the ruck.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Oh please, there is an absolute pile-on by people who are only willing to meaningfully discuss this kid’s perceived flaws. There are five critics for every fan of his. You were just questioning his football IQ and there is a theme of “can’t ruck, can’t mark” that is being repeated ad nauseum. I’m not being critical of you personally, it’s just the relentless discourse.

I think this is all a misunderstanding of his value as a prospect. Him being rated as highly as he is represents the league valuing ground ball ability and having an extra midfielder over ruck ability. There is merit to this - most rucks are largely ineffectual and the best often differentiate themselves because of their ability around the ground. Richmond experimented with abandoning the position altogether and I’m surprised this hasn’t evolved faster.We’re now seeing traditional rucks selected later and later in the draft for this very reason.

Make no mistake, he is one of the best ruck prospects that has ever come through in this respect. He moves like a midfielder, runs off his opponent and has genuinely good skills. He can kick goals either as a marking forward, a receiver in transition or hunting ground balls in the forward 50. He is potentially much more effectual than a ruck who can win hitouts, take a contested mark or two around the ground but otherwise offer little.

Again, I don’t want to draft him because I think it’s a conceptual gamble that we can’t afford to take, Archer Reid should be explored in that position first and there are other good ruck prospects coming up soon if Reid doesn’t pan out. But this simplistic “he’s not a good ruckman and isn’t good enough of a mark to be a key forward” doesn’t actually capture his value as a prospect.

Lay off the pipe son, its not helping you at all.

He's a much much worse version of Barnett, in the ruck, at the same age.

 

[BSD]

Lay off the pipe son, its not helping you at all.

He's a much much worse version of Barnett, in the ruck, at the same age.

If he is a better kick than Reid we should draft him. Nothing wrong with having a 2.0m Midfielder.

 

[eaglevision]

I rate Dalton. Full stop.

His wrist injury held him back this year. So what.

Drafting is all about looking forward and not in the rear vision mirror. I have a rating from 15 onwards. Many may differ but that is what it is like when speculating.

Should we bundle the Dalton and Curtin picks up for player x? Not for many that I have on my board. But I have had enough feedback to know my views are not always mainstream

17-Dalton/Dovaston and 24-Curtin I’m comfortable with. I’d pay a premium on pick 7 if it got us one of Sharp, Cumming or Schubert.

Grlj, Lindsay and X Taylor I’d want to trade up for too, after that it starts getting a little bit murky for me but assuming Duursma and CDT go early we’ll have the choice of at least two of the above six, hopefully from the first group. If Robey goes high it will be three.

 

[Jukes]

I’m coming around to the CDT and Duursma combo - more based on opportunity more than anything. They’re not midfielders but they potentially provide X factor and will hopefully peak when we start to hit our straps.

I am as impatient as the next person but the reality is, we have at least 1-2 more drafts before we can expect a big rise up the ladder.

As satisfying as it would be to get Sharp with Pick 2, I would worry about his development if we did. We now have a core midfield group of Harley and Hewett with TK, Yeo (when alive), Graham, Dev, Hall and maybe Macrae/Steele rolling through there. We also have McCarthy and Hough who we played there this year and Gross who we all hope will get a shot in there too. I can’t see a world where Sharp is prioritised and given the sufficient amount of exposure.

The long term play is to bank the unique attributes and qualities of Duursma and CDT (and the versatility of Farrow if we have Pick 6) and then to absolutely draft a midfielder with our top pick next year and/or the year after when a couple of the guys above retire or are found out and delisted.

 

[kane249]

Are we actually desperate for a ruck?

Billiams and Flynn are shit
Archer Reid question on if he could be a full time ruck
Barnett is marking time until hes delisted
Livingstone is a long shot

So yes we are desperate, but CDT isn't the answer.

 

[plays tall 1]

Curtin in the top 10 of the 2km time trial is surprising.

 

[eaglevision]

Billiams and Flynn are shit
Archer Reid question on if he could be a full time ruck
Barnett is marking time until hes delisted
Livingstone is a long shot

So yes we are desperate, but CDT isn't the answer.

Do wonder with the new rules of it’s worth giving a rookie spot to an Ajang Kol Mun type.

Already 22
202cm
90cm vertical jump (#1 in the country)
Incredibly fast for his size

Only question is would he have the tank for it which I can’t answer, ruck craft looks ok.

VFL Stats - Ajang Kuol Mun

vfl.aflmstats.com

 

[eaglevision]

Curtin in the top 10 of the 2km time trial is surprising.

He’s actually got a huge tank, just hasn’t been able to show it.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Do wonder with the new rules of it’s worth giving a rookie spot to an Ajang Kol Mun type.

Already 22
202cm
90cm vertical jump (#1 in the country)
Incredibly fast for his size

Only question is would he have the tank for it which I can’t answer, ruck craft looks ok.

VFL Stats - Ajang Kuol Mun

vfl.aflmstats.com

I would much prefer we do something like this than CDT.

With no sub 5 on the bench, I suspect most teams will play 2 rucks for flexibility, 1 to cover down the line in defence, 1 testing forward.

If we don't, someone will

 

[eaglevision]

I would much prefer we do something like this than CDT.

With no sub 5 on the bench, I suspect most teams will play 2 rucks for flexibility, 1 to cover down the line in defence, 1 testing forward.

If we don't, someone will

Unless there’s a 17/18yo who can hold his own as a KPP whilst he develops the size, tank and craft needed to ruck (hello Axel), I don’t want to take rucks with top 30 picks and cross our fingers they:
a) develop as anticipated
b) are happy to stay until they do

Case study: Batman.

 

[eaglevision]

That is ****ing quick

 

[eaglevision]

Grlj would be a huge chance to go to Richmond at 3/4.

Dovastan quick and finished top 10 in the 2km would also be highly sought after. Might even be a chance at 7 if we get it knowing what MCQ and Massey value.

 

[CountryLad]

Grlj would be a huge chance to go to Richmond at 3/4.

Dovastan quick and finished top 10 in the 2km would also be highly sought after. Might even be a chance at 7 if we get it knowing what MCQ and Massey value.

Some impressive times so far.

 

[eaglevision]

Some impressive times so far.

Very. Sharp and Cumming both not testing. Greeves dead.

 

[FatPizza]

Curtin in the top 10 of the 2km time trial is surprising.

Have you ever played Mario Kart? He's like Donkey Kong.

 

[CountryLad]

Very. Sharp and Cumming both not testing. Greeves dead.

Can understand Cumming not testing he wouldn’t be any where near his peak. Managers probably hiding Sharp and Greeves.
Dovaston would have already been on our radar prior to those results, Dalton similar as he probably sits late in the first round early second.
Heard anything about Robey?

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Grlj would be a huge chance to go to Richmond at 3/4.

Dovastan quick and finished top 10 in the 2km would also be highly sought after. Might even be a chance at 7 if we get it knowing what MCQ and Massey value.

Tigers into grjl big time.

 

[eaglevision]

Can understand Cumming not testing he wouldn’t be any where near his peak. Managers probably hiding Sharp and Greeves.
Dovaston would have already been on our radar prior to those results, Dalton similar as he probably sits late in the first round early second.
Heard anything about Robey?

I’m glad Cumming not testing, know what he can do and hopefully there at GCS pick. Agree on Sharp/Greeves.

Robey ran 6:45 2km, don’t know his results today. Yet.

 

[FatPizza]

Heard anything about Robey?

Apparently had a slow start to the 20m sprint, but looked amazing in the final 50cm.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Very. Sharp and Cumming both not testing. Greeves dead.

????

 

[TheBudgies]

Oh please, there is an absolute pile-on by people who are only willing to meaningfully discuss this kid’s perceived flaws. There are five critics for every fan of his. You were just questioning his football IQ and there is a theme of “can’t ruck, can’t mark” that is being repeated ad nauseum. I’m not being critical of you personally, it’s just the relentless discourse.

I think this is all a misunderstanding of his value as a prospect. Him being rated as highly as he is represents the league valuing ground ball ability and having an extra midfielder over ruck ability. There is merit to this - most rucks are largely ineffectual and the best often differentiate themselves because of their ability around the ground. Richmond experimented with abandoning the position altogether and I’m surprised this hasn’t evolved faster.We’re now seeing traditional rucks selected later and later in the draft for this very reason.

Make no mistake, he is one of the best ruck prospects that has ever come through in this respect. He moves like a midfielder, runs off his opponent and has genuinely good skills. He can kick goals either as a marking forward, a receiver in transition or hunting ground balls in the forward 50. He is potentially much more effectual than a ruck who can win hitouts, take a contested mark or two around the ground but otherwise offer little.

Again, I don’t want to draft him because I think it’s a conceptual gamble that we can’t afford to take, Archer Reid should be explored in that position first and there are other good ruck prospects coming up soon if Reid doesn’t pan out. But this simplistic “he’s not a good ruckman and isn’t good enough of a mark to be a key forward” doesn’t actually capture his value as a prospect.

If the argument is bail on rucks and "Grigg" the position why not put a mid in as the Ruck? Why not just chuck Ginbey in? Good bellow his knees, runs off his opponent, moves like a midfielder.

I agree ruck is a position that is over valued and we have a problem at the position. Is the ruck problem bigger than our midfield issue? I would say no. This is why I think it would be crazy to draft a guy who isnt a good ruck to address our ruck problems when if our midfield sucks it wont matter if prime Dean Cox was out there.

 

[Lazzas]

If the argument is bail on rucks and "Grigg" the position why not put a mid in as the Ruck? Why not just chuck Ginbey in? Good bellow his knees, runs off his opponent, moves like a midfielder.

I agree ruck is a position that is over valued and we have a problem at the position. Is the ruck problem bigger than our midfield issue? I would say no. This is why I think it would be crazy to draft a guy who isnt a good ruck to address our ruck problems when if our midfield sucks it wont matter if prime Dean Cox was out there.

I wonder if it Ruck craft will become more or less important with the abandoning if the bounce?