List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part IV

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 4

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[StCicatriz]

Voss speech was very very weird

 

[OxSaint]

If there are other targets they can’t be kept secret for long.

It can’t be big names but young players with upside are possible.

SDK would be a strange target if you forget his brother.

CMac wouldn’t be surprising and fits the bill.

A young key forward crying out for opportunity would be perfect.

 

[SainterinSydney]

Maybe the reason we want to get Flanders done quick and offload 7 to them is so Hawks can't ask for 7 for Cmac

 

[mighty_sainters]

If there are other targets they can’t be kept secret for long.

It can’t be big names but young players with upside are possible.

SDK would be a strange target if you forget his brother.

CMac wouldn’t be surprising and fits the bill.

A young key forward crying out for opportunity would be perfect.

Who’s a key forward that would be good enough for us that isn’t getting an opportunity elsewhere?

 

[TheJackal]

That statement was 100% about McKenzie.

Hes out of contract next year. He's not a free agent.

Voss speech was very very weird

Context brother, needs more context.

 

[TheJackal]

Who’s a key forward that would be good enough for us that isn’t getting an opportunity elsewhere?

You have no idea how long I've been waiting for a chance to use this gif

 

[sammm]

they will not be missed

What? You don't like his eyebrows?

 

[LuckyBounce!]

Mackie - complex deal to do Marshall.

It’s really pretty simple. Come to the table with an acceptable trade or there’s the door

 

[SaintersFan]

Who’s a key forward that would be good enough for us that isn’t getting an opportunity elsewhere?

One sneaky example would be young KPF Mathew Jefferson, who would be a terrific pick up if we could entice him.

 

[Significant]

Who’s a key forward that would be good enough for us that isn’t getting an opportunity elsewhere?

Amiss, reportedly unhappy with his role with Voss coming in.

 

[Munga]

‘Plenty of money to splash’: Saints’ bold warning to rival clubs ahead of busy trade period

‘Plenty of money to splash’: Saints ‘still fishing’ after $4.5m splurge in brash warning to rivals

www.foxsports.com.au

A master at work. How he stretched that out to over 6 minutes with five word answers is miraculous.

But he still succinctly explained how we struggled to reach 95% of the cap and front ended a bunch of contracts. Hopefully that shuts up the morons out there complaining and saying we're cheating the cap or doing something dodgy.

 

[Longmembrey]

who are some others?

I remember the killer of Ben Paton's career Roughead wasn't the same.

Hugh Goddard

 

[austinnn]

Voss speech was very very weird

Shades of Brett Kirk

 

[Sunshine Sainter]

Gubby has a similar look and mannerism to former Bombers great Terry Daniher. Love the laid back approach, steely determination and humour. You can see with him a no nonsense, straight forward approach that gets deals done. Couldn't you picture him either sitting on a hay bale, or on a bar stool answering all of those questions?

 

[maanco]

Great analysis of flanders

 

[Jesuswasacarpenter]

Same vibes as Richmond getting Prestia for pick 6 the year before they won their first flag....let's hope history repeats

Tkey also got Caddy and Nank,

 

[austinnn]

I was thinking last night about our squad and our direction and I started wondering whether we are in danger of becoming too offensive, which doesnt sound like a problem and is a pretty funny thing to think about a Lyon-coached team.

When I think about how we shape up in the back half, we place a lot of emphasis on dash of half back and interception. Our half backs all have licence to be creators rather than negators - Nas, Sinclair, Hastie, Travaglia, plus Wilson, Hill, Windy and Jones when they go back there. A few people have rightly voiced their concerns on who replaces the likes of Webster and Paton, the guy playing on the dangerous small forwards. So far our options seem to be Stocker - who makes his mean earn it but is found out against the quicker opponent, Hastie - who seems to be more of a dasher and creator than a stopper, and O'Connell who is very raw. Our incoming key backs have been selected for their ability in the air rather than their muscle.

On the face of it, this seems like a good thing. Less stodgy, more exciting, more flexible etc and I agree when we have the ball it gives us a lot more possibilities.

But in reality, there are plenty of teams right now who will be much stronger and will end up with a lot of the ball - how do we get that ball back? How do we stop it getting into the hands of C Cameron, Bailey, Rachelle, Rankine, Mannagh, Green, etc? What do we do when our boys who are guns at setting up plays, running into space, finding options and marking the ball, just can't get their hands on it?

This year, our players were out muscled, our tackles were slipped, and the oppo were able to create 20 minute bursts of 5-6 unanswered goals before we reset a few too many times. There were a few inevitably lucky goals in most of these moments but that luck often came from us being slack at defending dangerous areas and not being able to break up their faster chains into their F50.

The best teams have a good balance of everything and to be successful, long term we need to be able to shut teams like the Crows, Lions and Dogs right down. Anyone else concerned about this?

 

[Longmembrey]

Who’s a key forward that would be good enough for us that isn’t getting an opportunity elsewhere?

Caminiti

 

[AaronSCHQ]

How do we stop it getting into the hands of C Cameron, Bailey, Rachelle, Rankine, Mannagh, Green, etc? What do we do when our boys who are guns at setting up plays, running into space, finding options and marking the ball, just can't get their hands on it?

Option 1) win and control clearances.

Option 2) intercept and rebound/slingshot

 

[OxSaint]

Who’s a key forward that would be good enough for us that isn’t getting an opportunity elsewhere?

Walter or Read. They can’t be thrilled that JUH is being recruited.

 

[Longmembrey]

I was thinking last night about our squad and our direction and I started wondering whether we are in danger of becoming too offensive, which doesnt sound like a problem and is a pretty funny thing to think about a Lyon-coached team.

When I think about how we shape up in the back half, we place a lot of emphasis on dash of half back and interception. Our half backs all have licence to be creators rather than negators - Nas, Sinclair, Hastie, Travaglia, plus Wilson, Hill, Windy and Jones when they go back there. A few people have rightly voiced their concerns on who replaces the likes of Webster and Paton, the guy playing on the dangerous small forwards. So far our options seem to be Stocker - who makes his mean earn it but is found out against the quicker opponent, Hastie - who seems to be more of a dasher and creator than a stopper, and O'Connell who is very raw. Our incoming key backs have been selected for their ability in the air rather than their muscle.

On the face of it, this seems like a good thing. Less stodgy, more exciting, more flexible etc and I agree when we have the ball it gives us a lot more possibilities.

But in reality, there are plenty of teams right now who will be much stronger and will end up with a lot of the ball - how do we get that ball back? How do we stop it getting into the hands of C Cameron, Bailey, Rachelle, Rankine, Mannagh, Green, etc? What do we do when our boys who are guns at setting up plays, running into space, finding options and marking the ball, just can't get their hands on it?

This year, our players were out muscled, our tackles were slipped, and the oppo were able to create 20 minute bursts of 5-6 unanswered goals before we reset a few too many times. There were a few inevitably lucky goals in most of these moments but that luck often came from us being slack at defending dangerous areas and not being able to break up their faster chains into their F50.

The best teams have a good balance of everything and to be successful, long term we need to be able to shut teams like the Crows, Lions and Dogs right down. Anyone else concerned about this?

Agree 100%. An elite small stopper is critical and we don't have anything like it yet that I can see. Should be #1 priority

 

[gubby88]

Agree 100%. An elite small stopper is critical and we don't have anything like it yet that I can see. Should be #1 priority

who are the elite small stoppers in the league now?

 

[crasha301]

Voss speech was very very weird

That's the speech of man who made a great captain and on the field could really the team behind him.

Not the speech of coach with answers.

 

[BilboJackins]

So there’s a saints Nuffie Grandma following and commenting on Saints TV

Greg Williams mum?

 

[Teflon]

"Clearly that answers the question...yeah"

Loved it
Was a fishing exercise by the journo drawing a Caro long now
Gubby just went bang!
Loved his follow up at the end ..
“What’s your name?…where you from?”
Aka fk off
Classic as a mate of mine would say ….tell em nothing …take em nowhere and drop em off half way!!