List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 3

[Keys]

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List Changes - 2025

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In:

• Brandon Starcevich arrives at West Coast in a three team deal
• Tylar Young (Richmond) arrived at West Coast in exchange for Pick 38.
• Deven Robertson (Brisbane) has agreed to join West Coast and will be signed on to the rookie list after being delisted by Brisbane

Out:

• Oscar Allen joins Brisbane as a FA - West Coast receive Pick 2 as compensation
• Liam Ryan and a 2027 R3 pick has been traded to St Kilda for a 2026 R2 pick
• Campbell Chesser has been traded to Carlton for Pick 41
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle, Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Coen Livingstone joins the list of players not offered a new contract

Players Out of Contract - 2025 (0)

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• Jamie Cripps and Malakai Champion seem to have been offered new contracts despite there being no official announcement. Means that all players out of contract for 2025 have been given new contracts despite or removed from the playing list

2025 Draft Order

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Current Draft Picks:
Round 1: 1, 2, 13
Round 2: 34, 41
Round 3: 53, 58 (These picks are in excess of available list spots so will be forfeited if we don’t consolidate our 2025 picks up the order or trade some for future picks)

List Spots Available (39 of 48):
• Main list (33 of 38) - 5* (in: Starcevich, Young out: Allen, Ryan, Chesser, Hunt, Petruccelle, Jamieson)
• Cat A rookie list (5 of 8) - 3* (in: Robertson (pending), out: Rawlinson)
• Cat B rookie list (1 of 2) - 2 (out: Livingstone)

* Based on Dewar being upgraded after the maximum 3 years on the rookie list. Hutchinson may also have been upgraded but this isn’t confirmed - if it is we will have 4 main and 4 rookie list spots open

* Matthew Clarke has stated we have 5 main list spots

Matt Clarke wraps up the trade period - 6PR

 

[Boots73]

Get Holland ,can snag a goal and in time could play midfield
Worth a punt

 

[Keys]

I’d only be looking at Elijah Hollands as a train on option

List spots are too valuable to use one up without a try before you buy period

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

Lol, Deven Robertson won the Larke Medal, a lot of guys who won the Larke Medal ended up being pretty average AFL footballers.

There’s a reason Sharp’s falling down the order, I still like him a lot but you can’t seriously watch him and not say you’re worried about the step up, the complete lack of explosiveness is a huge worry, there’s a very good chance he just ends up being a James Worpel type.

You guys have to be able to look towards the future and understand how some players project at the next level, Sharp’s profile is becoming less and less liked by coaches, unless they are a genuine point of difference.

Duursma has a lot more AFL star attributes and traits than Sharp does.

Don’t want this to be taken as a dig towards Sharp either because as I said I still do like him, I just think this notion that because he’s a contested inside player we should reach on him is a bit ridiculous.

Disagree. Look at the history. If Wayne Carey was so good why didn't he win a brownlow? Woewodin did.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Get him across move him in with old mate Owies and see how it goes. If no good by half way in the year we have our MSD spot.

He is a jet and worth a risk imo.

We’ll check with goeaglesgosgio and see if he gives us the all clear first.

 

[eaglevision]

GWS and dogs have swapped 14 and 37 for 12 so GWS now has the pick immediately before ours currently at 13.

Bye bye Dovaston, if he’s even still there.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Disagree. Look at the history. If Wayne Carey was so good why didn't he win a brownlow? Woewodin did.

IF he was so good.

Show me you're a gen Z without showing me!!!

 

[Keys]

GWS and dogs have swapped 14 and 37 for 12 so GWS now has the pick immediately before ours currently at 13.

Bye bye Dovaston, if he’s even still there.

I think it’s genuinely 50/50 at best we still hold that pick when the draft starts

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

IF he was so good.

Show me you're a gen Z without showing me!!!

Disagree. If Bontempelli is really Bulldogs best player in last 20 years how come he hasn't won a brownlow? Cooney did.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

I think it’s genuinely 50/50 at best we still hold that pick when the draft starts

Yep. I'm not looking over mock drafts for players in that area until trade period's done and I 100% know what we got.

Mind you, a lot of mock's had Shanahan going in the teens to one of Richmond's picks and he slid to us at 30 so who the hell knows what clubs are really looking for come draft time.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Where the 21 major trade deals sit with three days to go

The latest on where things stand on 21 deals ahead of a frantic finish to the 2025 trade period

www.afl.com.au

From Cal Twomey's Insider Trading article

DEVEN ROBERTSON​

Robertson was not part of the mega trade earlier this week which saw West Coast, Brisbane and Fremantle agree on a deal that saw Brandon Starcevich head to the Eagles. But he will get to the Eagles, two years after he nearly landed there after the 2023 Grand Final. Robertson will be delisted by the Lions and will be able to get to West Coast either as a delisted free agent, or via a rookie list mechanism, with the Eagles granted four extra rookie list spots by the League as part of their assistance package.

They literally could've gotten a second rounder from our dumb asses if they had let him go at the end of 2023. Even knowing that the Ashcroft's and Fletcher were coming in they wanted to keep him and used him a further grand total of 6 times and I'm pretty sure all of those were as the sub, thus tanking his value completely.

A pretty rare miss for Brisbane in recent times.

 

[bzparkes]

Where the 21 major trade deals sit with three days to go

The latest on where things stand on 21 deals ahead of a frantic finish to the 2025 trade period

www.afl.com.au

From Cal Twomey's Insider Trading article



They literally could've gotten a second rounder from our dumb asses if they had let him go at the end of 2023. Even knowing that the Ashcroft's and Fletcher were coming in they wanted to keep him and used him a further grand total of 6 times and I'm pretty sure all of those were as the sub, thus tanking his value completely.

A pretty rare miss for Brisbane in recent times.

Brisbane thought he was leaving. Fagan himself was supposedly surprised when he backflipped, as they expected him to ask for a trade in his exit interview and he didn't.

 

[ep2018]

Where the 21 major trade deals sit with three days to go

The latest on where things stand on 21 deals ahead of a frantic finish to the 2025 trade period

www.afl.com.au

From Cal Twomey's Insider Trading article



They literally could've gotten a second rounder from our dumb asses if they had let him go at the end of 2023. Even knowing that the Ashcroft's and Fletcher were coming in they wanted to keep him and used him a further grand total of 6 times and I'm pretty sure all of those were as the sub, thus tanking his value completely.

A pretty rare miss for Brisbane in recent times.

Apparently his girlfriend went into anaphylactic shock at the lions best and fairest and the club medical staff saved her life, so he signed on instead of trading out to us.

 

[ThePuma #9]

Its pretty obvious the strategy.

We are using all our top picks on gun kids now..

Our hands were tied with bringing in free agents as we got pick 2 compo and diluting that would have been dumb.

So how would YOU trade in a gun mid after offering them stupid money? Not by free agency. So by trading pick 1 or 2. For who exactly?

Our trade / FA target is obviously Warner in 12 months or two years. When the draft is gutted by Tasmania and this years draftees and existing kids have two more seasons development. THAT is when we chase FAs and big trades. Not this year.

So tell us all. How would you have done this? Found this willing and able gun mid to move across right now. How would you have paid for it?

Will Phillips is the only trade I could see being gettable and he wouldnt cost big dollars and not top picks.

It's a smart strategy.

Too many times clubs jump the gun during a rebuild and try to buy their way to a premiership too soon and end up paying the cost.

Essendon and Carlton are perfect examples.

Hawthorn was a good example how to do it. Built their side via the draft mostly with

Stratton, Birchall, Hill, Mitchell, Shiels, Hodge, Rioli, Smith, Breust, Roughead, Puopolo, Lewis, Buddy

Then they mostly brought in the additional pieces required on the cheap.

Lake (21 & 41)
Frawley (Free agency)
Hale (52 & 71)
Gunston (24, 46 & 64 for Gunston & 53 & 71)
Spangher (pick 64)
McEvoy (Savage & 17)
Gibson (25 & 41 for Gibson & 69)

That's what i hope we continue to do with our side for the time being.

 

[kingerzz]

Pick 34- 360 points
Pick 38- 277 points
Pick 41- 220 points

Overall difference of 140 points - roughly the value of pick 46 (134 points)

If it’s pick 34 we should be asking for something back like their 2027 R3 pick for example which would replace the FF3 we gave to St Kilda

Ultimately there’s not much difference between 34 and 41 and no real point stressing over it - but as others have mentioned it’d be nice to end up on the slightly better end of a deal for once

Agree it's not a huge difference in points but you never know those could be the difference between us being able to trade up to one of Gold Coasts picks or not.

I think we've put ourselves in this position by getting everything done early - Richmond know what picks we have and can prey on us being impatient and wanting to get things done early (specifically the Chesser trade).

If it was me and we were comfortable with a Young for Chesser straight swap we should have just made it a three way transaction and said to Carlton if you want Chesser you deal with Richmond to get them agree to a deal for a three way trade with us getting Young.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

Has a first post ever got this many likes?
Not a bad strike record. Just saying

 

[RookiePick]

Apparently his girlfriend went into anaphylactic shock at the lions best and fairest and the club medical staff saved her life, so he signed on instead of trading out to us.

Sounds like shellfish behaviour to me

 

[Corn69]

GWS the type of team to place a bullsh*t bid on Williams at 12.

Knowing them, it's either Dovaston or Williams. That's probably why we might be keen to jump into the top 10 with a 3rd pick.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

Don't call me champ mate, you might want to look up what that word means in certain circles. Might save you a lot of pain one day.

I specifically said "If I had to guess who we pick with 13 I’d say Duursma, CDT, Robey, Taylor & Schubert are certainly gone which means we are left with 2 of the below to choose with at 13."

I gave a list of 11 players and made an educated "guess"

Guess: estimate or conclude (something) without sufficient information to be sure of being correct.

Howya going CHAMP

 

[Bender_]

Apparently his girlfriend went into anaphylactic shock at the lions best and fairest and the club medical staff saved her life, so he signed on instead of trading out to us.

And because of that brave Epipen we had to rethink our entire draft strategy.

 

[Bacchus]

GWS the type of team to place a bullsh*t bid on Williams at 12.

Knowing them, it's either Dovaston or Williams. That's probably why we might be keen to jump into the top 10 with a 3rd pick.

Williams not worth #12.

If they offer that we shouldn’t match.

 

[Godfather32]

Has a first post ever got this many likes?
Not a bad strike record. Just sayingView attachment 2454247

There was this one guy, Hungry Tiger or something was his name....

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Picks 1 & 2

Hodge and Judd thank you very much.

I wish.

 

[shooshka]

GWS the type of team to place a bullsh*t bid on Williams at 12.

Knowing them, it's either Dovaston or Williams. That's probably why we might be keen to jump into the top 10 with a 3rd pick.

Not at 12 I wouldn’t have thought (and if they do, let him go).

Around 20 in the open pool (25-27 with academy) seems the earliest, and would be considered a reach.

We’ll rank our academy guys wherever we do - but don’t match an early bid if we have a pick very near afterwards but don’t rank our academy player in that range.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

THats because Matt Clarke hasnt done anything well or successful?

If I say Matt Clarke is terrible, we have no evidence to dispute that.... which is a concern

Yes we do, the fact it's you posting it.
Back on ignore you go

 

[Keys]

Agree on points Keys but 34 as opposed to 41 could be incredibly useful come draft night to pick up a couple of F2s/F3s to slide down the order a couple of picks.

Good example is in 2023 Richmond pocketed our F3 for sliding two places from 38 to 40 just so we could grab Hall. That ended up pick 39 before bids etc. in 2024.

Next year we’ll be needing points and picks for matching so I’d really drive a hard bargain with this trade, especially after overpaying for a trade with the same club last year.

DVI clearly represents some value of the pick but not all of it.

Teams also come calling for picks that that stage if they like someone that has fallen. Different projected of drafts but late 20s pick got that F1 for 27 and F2.

45 (Boxshall) got a F2 out of a team that was projected to be bottom half of that ladder.

Always try and hold that higher pick because you never know. It’s also gives a team a gauge on how you negotiate, if your always taking ‘unders’ they will just and drive a harder deal knowing youre likely to fold.

We won’t do it due to old mates at Richmond but was interesting to hear the old lost boss at the Swans talking about the Dawson deal to the Crows and the threat of the PSD worked because they recently used it with Hately from the Giants. Negotiation history matters.

Agree it's not a huge difference in points but you never know those could be the difference between us being able to trade up to one of Gold Coasts picks or not.

I think we've put ourselves in this position by getting everything done early - Richmond know what picks we have and can prey on us being impatient and wanting to get things done early (specifically the Chesser trade).

If it was me and we were comfortable with a Young for Chesser straight swap we should have just made it a three way transaction and said to Carlton if you want Chesser you deal with Richmond to get them agree to a deal for a three way trade with us getting Young.

Agree with all three of these posts responding to mine

I was probably bit flippant saying the difference between pick 34 and 41 was not much to stress about - as you have all pointed out there’s value holding 34 instead of 41

Put it down to bad wording on my behalf

The trade will be a test of Clarke’s willingness/ability to dig his heels in to ensure a marginal gain where we do have the stronger bargaining position. Pick 41 is fair value for Young, arguably more than fair as pick 53 could be used instead, so just because we have a couple of slightly better picks (34 and 38) doesn’t mean we should use them

And like I posted, if we do hand over 34 it should only be if something, like a future pick, comes back with Young