List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 3

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List Changes - 2025

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In:

• Brandon Starcevich arrives at West Coast in a three team deal
• Tylar Young (Richmond) arrived at West Coast in exchange for Pick 38.
• Deven Robertson (Brisbane) has agreed to join West Coast and will be signed on to the rookie list after being delisted by Brisbane

Out:

• Oscar Allen joins Brisbane as a FA - West Coast receive Pick 2 as compensation
• Liam Ryan and a 2027 R3 pick has been traded to St Kilda for a 2026 R2 pick
• Campbell Chesser has been traded to Carlton for Pick 41
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle, Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Coen Livingstone joins the list of players not offered a new contract

Players Out of Contract - 2025 (0)

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• Jamie Cripps and Malakai Champion seem to have been offered new contracts despite there being no official announcement. Means that all players out of contract for 2025 have been given new contracts despite or removed from the playing list

2025 Draft Order

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Current Draft Picks:
Round 1: 1, 2, 13
Round 2: 34, 41
Round 3: 53, 58 (These picks are in excess of available list spots so will be forfeited if we don’t consolidate our 2025 picks up the order or trade some for future picks)

List Spots Available (39 of 48):
• Main list (33 of 38) - 5* (in: Starcevich, Young out: Allen, Ryan, Chesser, Hunt, Petruccelle, Jamieson)
• Cat A rookie list (5 of 8) - 3* (in: Robertson (pending), out: Rawlinson)
• Cat B rookie list (1 of 2) - 2 (out: Livingstone)

* Based on Dewar being upgraded after the maximum 3 years on the rookie list. Hutchinson may also have been upgraded but this isn’t confirmed - if it is we will have 4 main and 4 rookie list spots open

* Matthew Clarke has stated we have 5 main list spots

Matt Clarke wraps up the trade period - 6PR

 

[txbyhull]

it looks pretty good to me. haven't seen any evidence to the contrary.

Hall is the most bang average slow inside mid I’ve ever seen. He has shown a few instances of putting together some more versatile skills but physically he’s not quick enough to fit into our game style with improving his contested production ten fold

 

[briztoon]

That might've come from Briztoon who might've got it from someone if I vaguely remember.

I'm not buying it.

It’s from the club podcast, where Fagan was interviewed at fan night during the 2024 preseason.



This is the transcript from the episode.

 

[ghostbat12]

Hall is the most bang average slow inside mid I’ve ever seen. He has shown a few instances of putting together some more versatile skills but physically he’s not quick enough to fit into our game style with improving his contested production ten fold

hall is fast enough for afl. plenty are slower.

 

[bUCKET__]

See this is the sort of nice guy crap you get from Matt Clarke and Dumb Puke. Won't even sneak some allergens into Chesser's girlfriend's food, so he had no reason to stay. I bet they even pay a fair price for their peanut oil instead trying to flex their muscles as a rich and powerful club. You've got our membership money you scum, you can afford to pay over the soft cap to get us some decent ****ing garnishes.

 

[VinegarStrokes]

Young needs to be done for 41 and no more. He's uncontracted, 27, and largely unproven outside of a few games late this year. Should be valued about the same as Chesser.

Wont be the 50s picks, those are usually 'good will' trades where the team doesn't want to keep the player, like Liam Reidy. Richmond have offered Young a contract and want to keep him so that won't happen.

Richmond will take 41 if we don't budge. This Clarke's opportunity to dig in somewhat. If we give up more 'because we really value Young' or 'just to get it done so Young isnt stressing until the deadline' it will just reinforce we are suckers for future trades with others. No other club does this stuff.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Hall is the most bang average slow inside mid I’ve ever seen. Physically he’s not quick enough to fit into our game style with improving his contested production ten fold

@Honeypeen35

First burner got made, so he's logged into the next one I see.

 

[FatPizza]

Hall is the most bang average slow inside mid I’ve ever seen. He has shown a few instances of putting together some more versatile skills but physically he’s not quick enough to fit into our game style with improving his contested production ten fold

So you agree he's best 23?

 

[txbyhull]

@Honeypeen35

First burner got made, so he's logged into the next one I see.

Is this a joke I don't understand because I am a BF infant? who is this mysterious honey peen

 

[juice568]

hall is fast enough for afl. plenty are slower.

I dont know what youve been watching. Hes a snail hes not going to make it.

 

[Icanwalk]

it looks pretty good to me. haven't seen any evidence to the contrary.

Evidence:
Friejah/Roberts + Boxhall >> Hall
In fact, any one of those players > Hall

We paid a F3 to jump 2 spots from 40 to 38 to take Hall (a one-dimensional prospect with multiple obvious flaws) while Freijah, Archie Roberts, Joe Fonti, and Humphries (who in fairness we'd likely not have taken) were all available.

With that F3 would likely would have gotten Boxhall, or simply one of Gross/Grego without compromising our future draft hand.

And this is not hindsight. It was predicted by many on this board on draft night.

The only way the trade made any sense was if they expected us to rocket up the ladder in 2024, which would have been delusional.

 

[rfarlz]

Hi all,

Firstly, thanks to everyone for the 252+ pages of draft chat; I thoroughly enjoy the scenarios/insight/melts.

I've got an absolutely unhinged, long sunday morning post that is the culmination of the daily draft chat between Patron and I over the past 6 months. It's a deep-dive on the key current trade/draft scenarios that lay before us. For many it'll be TL;DR, but if you're a draft nuff like us, hopefully it is worth the read.

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In my view, a lot of our board's draft scenarios that are discussed operate on the best case assumptions; i.e. assuming the players we want will be available at the picks we have. I thought it'd be good to have a look at the worst case scenarios, and how we go about minimising risks associated with each.

Caveats/assumptions to my trade scenarios:

For us:

• I'm assuming we only take 3 high draft picks + NGA/FS. We're already the youngest list in the comp, so 3 early picks + maybe/hopefully Tylah Williams/Evans/Banfield/Walley is enough 18 year olds to bring in. Plus, any more than this requires more list jiggery-pokery in terms of delistings and re-rookie-ing etc.
• All my scenarios assume we take Duursma at 1. I'm personally not interested in trading this pick unless it was an absolutely insane offer (and 5+6 is not that). He has gapped the rest of his cohort; tall, good 2km time, good sprint time, good transition player, great intercept mark, decent kick, good competitor, happy to come to Perth, is the prototype 2026-era midfielder and would be an excellent complement to Harley/Hewett and co. Absolute no brainer in my view and I think we'd be nuts to trade this pick.
• I'm largely of the view that midfield AND leadership are our biggest areas of need; midfields win flags. Hence, Sharp is the guy I want behind Duursma - stellar CV, oozes leadership, fills an area of need (BBIMWBLF??) and complements the more explosive guys like Harley/Hewett, and the smooth-moving Duursma. I also think that Dunkley/Newcombe/even Tom Atkins were all critical to their sides finals campaigns, and I am still of the view that every team needs a Sharp. Having said that, I can actually see the argument against Sharp, and that the game (and our gamestyle in particular) is potentially moving away from guys like this.
• I am not hot on CDT, and none of my scenarios include taking him. We are desperate for a ruck, but in my view he is not that. At the currently measured 200cm he is too short, and his combine leap results weren't super hot. We also do not need another tall forward this early in the draft. So he is then an in-betweener that may take significant investment, and does not have a defined position. In my view, if we're taking interstate guys this high up in the draft, they need to be playing early regularly. If we take a project player like CDT, who needs to develop in the WAFL, we run the risk of him doing all that developing, then wanting to leave after 3 years just as he's ready to break out. I think there's a good chance he ends up an awesome player, but I hope it's not with us with pick 2. There is some smoke that we are keen on him, but I hope that is us just being clever and trying to lure Essendon/Richmond into a trade.
• I'm not super hot on Robey (sorry Robey fans).
• My ideal draft is Duursma + Sharp and one of (in order) Cumming/Dovaston/Schubert/Grlj/Farrow/Lindsay.

With respect to other clubs:

• I largely assume that Patterson is not a live option; I am assuming GC dont cook their points situation
• 7 and 8 for Petracca is overs and GC would be dumb to do this directly. The guy is 30
• Humphrey is worth 7 at least, he is awesome and has a huge ceiling, meaning a net trade between GC/Melbourne could actually be a near neutral position (maybe a bit extra going back to Melb).
• I'm assuming Richmond don't want Sharp, given they took similar players last year (though the Richmond board do like Sharp!). But I am assuming that Essendon may want Sharp, and hence my trade scenarios make sure that Essendon don't have a live pick available before us for Sharp (though I assume Essendon would take CDT over Sharp).
• Picks 9/10/11 are too low; they expose us to risk of missing our targets and in my view are not worth pursuing. In my view, we need high-high end talent. Hence this rules out trades with Hawthorn/Carlton/Sydney. Also means that I am not interested in any trade machinations of Merrett/Curnow etc.

OPTION 1 - no trades, worst case scenario pick order

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• Who goes where exactly between 3 and 12 doesn't matter; its more about the worst case scenario of who is left at pick 13
• Dud scenario for us is that the guys left at 13 are NHH/Greeves/Marsh/Phillipou
  • NHH - too boom/bust for where we're at. we need more sure things
  • Greeves - figjam, not for me
  • Marsh - like him but not what we need
  • Phillipou - jury is out on him (brother looks good but cant stay on the park)
• Of course, it is possible/likely that a Farrow/Dovatson etc slides, but this scenario has risk that I'd look to avoid
• Further, in this scenario we are left with picks 34 and 38. One (or worst case two) could be required to match a bid on Tylah Williams, but if not (i.e. if a Williams bid didnt come until later/not at all), we'd have to dispose of these picks via trading into next year (and clubs would know this and we'd potentially get shafted). Or, we could grab a sliding Rodriguez/Curtin; I haven't thought about this too much as I see it as unlikely.
• Hence, in my view, we should be looking to avoid the pick 1/2/13 scenario

OPTION 2; trade 2+13 with Essendon for 5+6, so they can grab CDT

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• This option assumes Essendon are hot on CDT
• It also assumes that Essendon believe that either us or Richmond would take CDT if he was there, else they'd just let him fall to 5. I think there's too much risk from their POV to do this.
• Assumes that Richmond want Grlj + X Taylor, but it is possible that they want Cumming, which would be a bummer for us
• Duursma/Sharp/Cumming is my ideal from this scenario, and my preference from this draft but it could end up as Duursma/Sharp and one of Grlj/X Taylor/Schubert/Dovaston/Farrow/Robey
• I'd be happy with any of Schubert or Grlj or Dovaston here too
  • Schubert projects as a good player and would make a good pairing with Shanahan long term, or a good CHB. I also don't mind the idea of taking another tall early in the rebuild
  • Grlj would also be a good outside complement to Harley/Hewett/Duursma (who I think can all be 'balanced' mids) and Sharp (who would be inside)
  • Dovaston looks great and fills an area of need, would not be unhappy with him
  • Farrow I think would be a slight reach but also don't mind him here
• A Duursma/Sharp/Cumming draft is my preferred draft scenario, and in my view is a live chance via this option.

OPTION 3; TRADE WITH GC, 13 + 34 + 38 FOR 7 and 52

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• First of all, my understanding is that while behind closed doors we can promise not to bid on Uwland/Patterson to save GC points, this can not be made obvious/visible.
• Hence, any points tally we give up MUST be greater than the value of pick 7. If it is less, it is tantamount to draft tampering. I believe this is an actual rule, though Keys/Monocle/ATG would have to confirm.
• Put another way, it is my understanding that saying 'just give them pick 13 only and then promise not to bid with pick 1 or 2 saves them x points, so its more than what Essendon can offer', would not fly with the AFL, as it would be an admission that not bidding is part of a deal, which is not technically allowed.
• However, if we provided pick 7 + 34 + 38, which is 1717 points (i.e. MORE than pick 7, which is worth 1543), and then say Essendon offered 1800 points, we'd be able to give a wink-wink nudge-nudge deal to not bid, which would tip GC over the line to favour our deal, without being too suss.
• In this scenario, its pretty possible we'd miss Cumming and go for one of the other four guys i've listed.
• It also potentially tanks our ability to match bids for Tylah Williams (or anyone else) that come before 37, so adds in risk there too. To be honest, if a bid comes for Williams ahead of 37, i'd just let the other club take him.
• This is still a pretty good result, though not my ideal scenario (as we MAY miss Cumming, though would still get a Dovaston/Schubert/Farrow/Lindsay)

OPTION 4; TRADE WITH RICH SO THEY CAN GRAB CDT (pick 2 for pick 3 and an F2)

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• A bit of an intriguing scenario in my view. This requires Richmond either (a) believing that we want CDT or (b) believing that we (rightfully or not) have Essendon on the phone saying they will do a deal for pick 2. Else, they wouldnt do this deal, and would just take CDT at 3.
• It also obviously requires them to want CDT; jury is out on that one given the talls they took last year.
• Here, we would just swap our pick 2 for pick 3, and a sweetener like their F2.
• I dont think they'd give up any more than this; I dont think 2 + 13 for 3 + 4 would be on the table.
• Some trades to Richmond along the lines of 2 + 13 + 34 + 38 for 3 and 4 have been mooted on this board, which admittedly would be possible, but kills our ability to match for NGAs so invites that risk.
• I quite like this trade, as it gives us a sweetener for 2026 and start to be positioned well then too, when bid matching changes and R2 picks will be quite valuable.
• However, this would need to be combined with Option 3, as per option 1, the risk of holding pick 13 is too high.

OPTION 5 - COMBINE OPTIONS 3 and 4 (i.e. our draft hand ends as 1, 3, 7 and RICH F2)

• I quite like this option, and see this as doable. Sees us take Duursma, Sharp and Cumming/Dovaston/Schubert and having a good hand for next year too!

OPTION 6 - GC COOK THEIR POINT SITUATION AND WE BID ON PATTERSON

• I think this is ulimately unlikely, but if it did occur I would not be averse to crushing their points with a Pick 1 bid on Uwland, and then going Patterson pick 2; he's a good player and would be a guy that would seem to fit Mini's gamestyle. I haven't thought through the permuatations here as much.

Wow, if you've read to the end of this, then you're as much of a loser as I am. Happy to hear everyone's thoughts. Bring on 2026!!!

Excellent post, it has me feeling a lot better about our current position. It really makes it clear that the pick 2 trade is a no-brainer (unless GC do cook their points and we can get Patterson with pick 2).

Would be really stoked to walk away with Duursma, Sharp and Cumming or Schubert. If we could do that and pick up a sweetener like a F2 from Richmond it would be a very very good result.

 

[Jeremy McLovin]

Picks 1 & 2

Hodge and Judd thank you very much.

I wish.

1 & 2 for Hodge and Judd? But back in the day they only cost 1 & 3. SMH, Matty Clarke paying overs again

 

[jdisc]

props to the doctors at brisbane for knowing how to use an epipen, no wonder Oscar wanted to go there, clearly working with some cutting edge medical technology over there

 

[twce13]

I’ve got this feeling we may be the 3rd party unlocking one of these big deals. We always seem to get involved when teams are at a stalemate.

Something like

hawks
Give: 9, 31, 43, F1(26), F2(27)
Get: merett

Ess:
Give: merett, 5
Get: 2, 31, 43, F1(26), F2(27)

Eagles
Give: 2
Get: 5 and 9

 

[shooshka]

I’ve got this feeling we may be the 3rd party unlocking one of these big deals. We always seem to get involved when teams are at a stalemate.

Something like

hawks
Give: 9, 31, 43, F1(26), F2(27)
Get: merett

Ess:
Give: merett, 5
Get: 2, 31, 43, F1(26), F2(27)

Eagles
Give: 2
Get: 5 and 9

From our perspective I hope not.

Bombers aren’t doing that either (Merrett for a 3 spot upgrade, 2x mid-20’s futures and some junk picks)

When using points to value a trade we must understand #1 doesn’t change, #2 may be #3 or at worst #4. 5 probably becomes 8 and 9 becomes 12/13.

In a draft where a few at the top end have separated themselves from the rest a trade, if done, needs to be at a significant premium.

 

[Bender_]

props to the doctors at brisbane for knowing how to use an epipen, no wonder Oscar wanted to go there, clearly working with some cutting edge medical technology over there

When they crack out the Voltaren gel he'll know he made the right decision.

 

[Obeanie1]

GWS and dogs have swapped 14 and 37 for 12 so GWS now has the pick immediately before ours currently at 13.

Bye bye Dovaston, if he’s even still there.

If we want him we upgrade 13.

GWS losing Jones to a 2nd ACL opens up a spot for Donaston, so I can see why they are interested.

Read somewhere if he was 10 cm taller he would be in pick 1 calculations.

He's definately a good option for us.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Are any of the NGA's or Banfield capable of coming in straight away and being the high pressure forward that we desperately lack who can chase down and tackle effectively when the opposition are trying to move the ball out of our F50?

Hamish Davis role for now and the next 10 years

No idea why people sleep on him so much. He showed the most promise besides Shanahan out of last years draftees

 

[Carbine Chaos]

If we want him we upgrade 13.

GWS losing Jones to a 2nd ACL opens up a spot for Donaston, so I can see why they are interested.

Read somewhere if he was 10 cm taller he would be in pick 1 calculations.

He's definately a good option for us.

You don't know they're interested.

They also have Hannaford and Gothard on their list that haven't debuted yet. Daniels hardly played this season also. They're not short of options.

 

[ThePuma #9]

Interesting pick swap for the Suns with the Dogs.

Gave up Picks 14 & 37

Received Pick 12.

Consolidated a pick but lost 181 points in the process.

Maybe 12 is to help the Petracca deal over the line so they can keep one of 7 or 8 to trade with us, otherwise this really doesn’t make sense for them.

 

[eaglevision]

Hope we’ve got a game plan if both these picks do find their way to the Demons. Patterson may well be in the table but we have to bid on Uwland at 1.

 

[Elite Pete]

I’ve got this feeling we may be the 3rd party unlocking one of these big deals. We always seem to get involved when teams are at a stalemate.

Something like

hawks
Give: 9, 31, 43, F1(26), F2(27)
Get: merett

Ess:
Give: merett, 5
Get: 2, 31, 43, F1(26), F2(27)

Eagles
Give: 2
Get: 5 and 9

I agree we would the the 3rd party.

No players linked to Essendon and it’s very late in the trade period and most say they can’t predict who goes at 3 in the open draft after Duursma and CDT.

So why would Essendon really care about getting up at this stage from 5&6 to 3.

Hawks come knocking to help them?

 

[Elite Pete]

Hope we’ve got a game plan if both these picks do find their way to the Demons. Patterson may well be in the table but we have to bid on Uwland at 1.

Yep, have to make them pay full price and walk Walter to PSD next year as well…

 

[Elite Pete]

Interesting pick swap for the Suns with the Dogs.

Gave up Picks 14 & 37

Received Pick 12.

Consolidated a pick but lost 181 points in the process.

Maybe 12 is to help the Petracca deal over the line so they can keep one of 7 or 8 to trade with us, otherwise this really doesn’t make sense for them.

Wasn’t the pick swap with the Giants not the Suns?

 

[Elite Pete]

3 picks probably isn’t worth melts but it’s becoming form of taking under….