The Liberal Party - How long? - Part 2

[The Punter]

How does Turnbull/Frydenberg's policy differ from current ALP policy?

It's a bit like the Vic Libs on crime. They want to differ from the other party, but the acknowledged solution is the only real option. So how do they make it an issue even though they basically agree on the action to take?

By not agreeing. Take the fight up to Labor, provide a real alternative and all that.

On the crime issue... this is why Oppositions wait to release policy. So it gets to the election without being picked off or picked apart.

 

[QuietB]

Both major parties are gas and coal parties. One on behalf of the owners, the others on behalf of the workers (nominally, but really on behalf of the owners).

I disagree. Yes Labor supports the gas and coal industries. But they actually would allow competition and do other things as well and sometimes insist on some sort of balance.

Everything the LNP does is directed from gas and coal mining. Opposing the Voice was a direction from gas and coal to not introduce more obstacles to their industry and approvals. Abolishing net zero is a direct instruction. Ensuring nothing happened on the energy transition for the entire 10 years the Liberals were in government was a direct instruction from gas and coal - and now consumers are getting fleeced because of that and the LNP have the hide to blame Labor. Nuclear was a distraction concocted to prolong gas and coal and stall competition.

The gas and coal industries are doing everything they can to stop any progress on competitors to their industry and they have the Liberals leading the charge on that.

Labor are not standing in the way of competition. The Liberal are - to the point they were proposing that the federal government use tax payers money to build 6/7 nuclear power stations around the country - something NO private company has any interest in. But of course the point of this was not to build nuclear - the Liberals know this will never get approved. The point was to delay alternatives, to eliminate competition.

Gas and coal are 97% foreign owned and the Liberals are 100% devoted to protecting them at the expense of regular Australians.

The Liberals do NOT represent Australians.

 

[Chadwiko]

Time to break out the lettuce.

 

[SSSSSS]

I have no words.

It kinda sucks that we don't have a functional opposition.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Someone’s got his head screwed on the right way.

As a conservative Liberal senator I see no coherent reason to run away from a net zero target | Andrew McLachlan

We cannot claim to be of the right of politics yet shy away from targets that hold us to account, especially ones that were once the Liberals’ own

www.theguardian.com

 

[The Punter]

Someone’s got his head screwed on the right way.

As a conservative Liberal senator I see no coherent reason to run away from a net zero target | Andrew McLachlan

We cannot claim to be of the right of politics yet shy away from targets that hold us to account, especially ones that were once the Liberals’ own

www.theguardian.com

A conservative thesis for keeping a net zero target.

It has been a thesis of mine for many years that in practice conservative doesn't mean what it used to. Hardly anyone in the GOP is a conservative any more. Too many who claim to be conservative currently in the Liberal Party also fall foul of this IMO.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

Born in 1983 in New Zealand and has worked as a research fellow at the Lowy Institute with a specialisation in refugee issues. One would think, as a generation X Liberal

1983 birthdate is not Gen X. If you're going to use generation stereotypes at least use them with the correct definition.

 

[Saint]

I disagree. Yes Labor supports the gas and coal industries. But they actually would allow competition and do other things as well and sometimes insist on some sort of balance.

Everything the LNP does is directed from gas and coal mining. Opposing the Voice was a direction from gas and coal to not introduce more obstacles to their industry and approvals. Abolishing net zero is a direct instruction. Ensuring nothing happened on the energy transition for the entire 10 years the Liberals were in government was a direct instruction from gas and coal - and now consumers are getting fleeced because of that and the LNP have the hide to blame Labor. Nuclear was a distraction concocted to prolong gas and coal and stall competition.

The gas and coal industries are doing everything they can to stop any progress on competitors to their industry and they have the Liberals leading the charge on that.

Labor are not standing in the way of competition. The Liberal are - to the point they were proposing that the federal government use tax payers money to build 6/7 nuclear power stations around the country - something NO private company has any interest in. But of course the point of this was not to build nuclear - the Liberals know this will never get approved. The point was to delay alternatives, to eliminate competition.

Gas and coal are 97% foreign owned and the Liberals are 100% devoted to protecting them at the expense of regular Australians.

The Liberals do NOT represent Australians.

A conservative thesis for keeping a net zero target.

It has been a thesis of mine for many years that in practice conservative doesn't mean what it used to. Hardly anyone in the GOP is a conservative any more. Too many who claim to be conservative currently in the Liberal Party also fall foul of this IMO.

Reflecting on both of these comments. I would say the ALP's approach to climate and mining/gas is the same approach the Liberals used to have. That Andrew McLachlan's beliefs are entirely consistent with current ALP policy perhaps with less subsidies?

 

[Roobs321]

when the fail wags the mod

 

[Dixie Flatline]

1983 birthdate is not Gen X. If you're going to use generation stereotypes at least use them with the correct definition.

You read what I post and that's what you chose to focus on? OK.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Good on you Festerz , hand out the dislike with zero actual response. Great conversation.

 

[undefined]

Whether it's Hastie or Taylor, Libs in absolute no man's land now. Climate 200 has commandeered much of their educated voter base, and how long until their right faction's ideology becomes indistinguishable from what the voter perceives One Nation to be?

Latest newspoll primary vote



The Coalition’s primary vote fell by 4 points to a historic low of 24% in Newspoll, while One Nation’s primary vote rose by 4 points to a record high of 15%. This marks the worst Coalition primary vote ever recorded in a national poll.

Whatever your view on legacy Liberal Party politicians, top brass were mostly neoliberal. They've completely lost their identity now; it's not even in the name anymore.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

You read what I post and that's what you chose to focus on? OK.

Yeah, I did.

 

[Festerz]

Good on you Festerz , hand out the dislike with zero actual response. Great conversation.

The smilie is a disagree not a dislike. But fair call it was unwarranted to such a detailed response.

Edit: Looking back I'm not sure why I hit the disagree button. Sorry for the offence.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

It has been a thesis of mine for many years that in practice conservative doesn't mean what it used to. Hardly anyone in the GOP is a conservative any more. Too many who claim to be conservative currently in the Liberal Party also fall foul of this IMO.

Yep most self-styled conservatives these days are nothing of the sort; regressive would be one of the more apt descriptions as would radical. In some ways the only resemblance the modern Liberal Party still holds to the "Party of Menzies" is being Anti-Labor but not in ideals just in opposition for oppositions sake.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

The smilie is a disagree not a dislike. But fair call it was unwarranted to such a detailed response.

Edit: Looking back I'm not sure why I hit the disagree button. Sorry for the offence.

I don't mind if you disagree, it's perfectly fine to not share my views. It's even fine to think I'm an idiot. Just, if I'm not trolling you, please do me the courtesy of explaining why you disagree. Otherwise nobody learns anything. And honestly, I'm guilty of having done that too, so it's advice I'm giving myself too.

 

[schneebly111]

I feel like climate change always spikes as a concern after bushfires or floods.

Yes.

We’ve had the worst bushfires in history, on of the worst droughts in history and about 3 once in 100 year floods in the last 5 years.

Between now and the 2028 and 2031 elections there’ll be more natural disasters that will become political issues.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Yeah but someone wrote a poem about droughts and flooding rains.

So we can't use scientific evidence and/or data.

 

[The Punter]

Yeah but some guy once wrote a poem about droughts and flooding rains.

So we can't use scientific evidence and/or data.

That was a woman who wrote that particular poem.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

That was a woman who wrote that particular poem.

Yeah but what is a woman?

 

[The Punter]

Yeah but what is a woman?

It isn't some guy, but your edited post would indicate that truth.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

It isn't some guy, but your edited post would indicate that truth.

I've noticed lately, modern women call each other bro.

Singularity.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Libs really are cucks for coal.

Useless wank pheasants who would sell Australia out if it meant a bit of lube for them only from fossil fuels.

Net zero voters by 2050

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

A conservative thesis for keeping a net zero target.

It has been a thesis of mine for many years that in practice conservative doesn't mean what it used to. Hardly anyone in the GOP is a conservative any more. Too many who claim to be conservative currently in the Liberal Party also fall foul of this IMO.

Let's be real being conservative in the libs nowadays is hoping that Paul Keating can fix the economy and a mining boom happens.

There is no mining boom 2.0 and since the libs hate education so much there is no Paul Keating 2.0

The libs right now are pissants who got rich under labor reforms but yet are still VFL level of talent.

 

[nut]

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