Vic The joke that is the Victorian Liberal Party.

[HurleyHepsHird]

First words out of Jess Wilson's mouth this morning were to thank Sam Groth and Bev McArthur. A solid reminder of who supported her in rolling Battin and where her alliances are formed. The ALP will have broken out the popcorn this morning.

Wilson is going to have to tread water mighty hard to keep afloat with the concrete blocks tied to her feet, particularly in the form of McArthur, who is an absolute lunatic.

Cookers are in control.

What a hilarious shambles, honestly.

 

[Jascave]

The Liberals are a bit like Richmond from 1981-2010 where they had to go through 16 coaches before Damien Hardwick broke the drought in 2017 and led the Tigers to three premierships in 4 years. Could Jess Wilson be the female version of Hardwick-breaking the drought in 2026 to lead the Coalition into government for the first time since 2010?

 

[Dixie Flatline]

So they had the lead in the polls, and they decided to give leadership to a Pentecostal. Yeah that will go down well in Melbourne.

And that opening press conference. Off to a real flyer huh.

lol.

Though I would never vote for him Pesutto was the only oppo leader I've seen from the LNP that came across as a halfway human and somewhat likeable.

Only one poll had the Liberals ahead, and not by enough to form government if that polling was reflected in the actual election next year. Other polls have the ALP in front on a 2PP basis.

 

[Stottzy]

Personally, I think this is the best move the VIC Liberals have done in over a decade. Wilson has no political baggage to worry bout, young, moderate and energetic. Will appeal to women and families. Battin, for many was incredibly bland. Having her only campaign for roughly a year until the next election is smart too.

 

[Sttew]

Personally, I think this is the best move the VIC Liberals have done in over a decade. Wilson has no political baggage to worry bout, young, moderate and energetic. Will appeal to women and families. Battin, for many was incredibly bland. Having her only campaign for roughly a year until the next election is smart too.

And as predicted an hour after her appointment Labor unleashed its “Jess Wilson is about cuts” campaign. Coming from a government that has mercilessly cut core services and funding in all sectors except the public service THAT is hilarious.

In Parliament today Wilson’s first question to Jacinta was to remind her the state interest bill on debt is $2 million per hour in 2025. “What will it be in 2026?” Jacinta’s response - “we are the government that has cut over 60 taxes”.

 

[Harro59]

Personally, I think this is the best move the VIC Liberals have done in over a decade. Wilson has no political baggage to worry bout, young, moderate and energetic. Will appeal to women and families. Battin, for many was incredibly bland. Having her only campaign for roughly a year until the next election is smart too.

The problem will be the cookers and religious right will implode at some point and bring the party down again.

And it will be real shame because she appears to be everything the Liberal party need.

 

[BomToydd]

Personally, I think this is the best move the VIC Liberals have done in over a decade. Wilson has no political baggage to worry bout, young, moderate and energetic. Will appeal to women and families. Battin, for many was incredibly bland. Having her only campaign for roughly a year until the next election is smart too.

Just being a Liberal is probably enough baggage

 

[Stottzy]

The problem will be the cookers and religious right will implode at some point and bring the party down again.

And it will be real shame because she appears to be everything the Liberal party need.

Yeah, it's interesting that the whole "Liberals must be a broad church" only seems to be accepted if a conservative is the leader. Ya only have to look at the Sky news comments to see how overun with cookers they are. "But she voted yes for the voice". Laughable.

 

[MJG14]

Most of the feedback on facebook and online forums seems to be of the opinion that Jess Wilson isn't conservative enough and is too much like Labor, talking about voting for One Nation.....

Facebook is absolutely cooked and full of right wing mutters. I saw so many comments saying to vote for One Nation, and even saw one saying that One Nation could shake things up and topple some Ministers

 

[Harro59]

Facebook is absolutely cooked and full of right wing mutters. I saw so many comments saying to vote for One Nation, and even saw one saying that One Nation could shake things up and topple some Ministers

Facebook comments on anything political make great reading. You get just about everything mixed into this one toxic mesh.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

He's a bit like Phil Coorey in that 90% of his articles are handed to him on behalf of the political party. And most of that is in-fighting.

Like when Phil Coorey got the "scoop" on a Nationals leadership spill. But it was literally just Barnaby's office giving him the story to start the process. These news writers then call themselves journalists when all they've done is what they were told to do. It won't be long until the papers can't afford Phil Coorey and just take the story straight from the Lib/Lab press officers.

Most of the feedback on facebook and online forums seems to be of the opinion that Jess Wilson isn't conservative enough and is too much like Labor, talking about voting for One Nation.....

I heard a podcast on the weekend refer to it as "press release journalism" and it's so accurate. They are just media mouthpieces for special interest groups.

 

[kalex6251]

I heard a podcast on the weekend refer to it as "press release journalism" and it's so accurate. They are just media mouthpieces for special interest groups.

clique journalism ..... campbell was schooled at melb grammer ... went to melb uni - he was part of a wide social network that drew heavily from private schooling

the connections, friendships and access that allows people like campbell to mingle easily with power and money was set in train from an early age

 

[The Punter]

So they had the lead in the polls, and they decided to give leadership to a Pentecostal. Yeah that will go down well in Melbourne.

And that opening press conference. Off to a real flyer huh.

lol.

Though I would never vote for him Pesutto was the only oppo leader I've seen from the LNP that came across as a halfway human and somewhat likeable.

Who is the Pentacostal?

Only one poll had the Liberals ahead, and not by enough to form government if that polling was reflected in the actual election next year. Other polls have the ALP in front on a 2PP basis.

Both the most recent Damos and Freshwater polls showed the Coalition in a 51-49 2PP lead.

 

[Sttew]

they decided to give leadership to a Pentecostal. Yeah that will go down well in Melbourne.

She is not Pentecostal. She was baptised Catholic and married in the Catholic Church

You've written her off already based on false information?

 

[Cyber_punk]

She is not Pentecostal. She was baptised Catholic and married in the Catholic Church

You've written her off already based on false information?

Oh no, I'd written her off well before that purely for being a Liberal.

I wonder is she shares her husbands beliefs

 

[Sttew]

Oh no, I'd written her off well before that purely for being a Liberal.

I wonder is she shares her husbands beliefs

But she is not Pentecostal. You made that up

 

[Gough]

It'll be interesting to see how Wilson breaks with Millennials, age wise she's certainly in their demographic but her background would suggest her experience is fairly different to the majority.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

It'll be interesting to see how Wilson breaks with Millennials, age wise she's certainly in their demographic but her background would suggest her experience is fairly different to the majority.

Quotes like this "

As a millennial, I'm 35, I understand the pressures of that generation and below, and a lot of it comes back to home ownership.

"So many young people in Victoria have simply lost hope that they will ever be able to afford their own home, and I want to put forward the policies that restore that hope."

Seem to suggest they are going to try that tact.
As you say her experience based on her background would be rather different than most.
A Liberal person saying is going to met with skepticism.

As a fellow Millennial my first thought is "why do the Liberals only want to help now"

 

[UltraEgo]

bev 'bernie finn' mcarthur ..... un*******believable

wtf, she is a disgusting excuse of a human being

 

[Cyber_punk]

But she is not Pentecostal. You made that up

Didn't make it up, but I'll put my hand up and say due to the LNP's history with the harder religious wing I took the info as fact which I'll admit, has no verification in her case.

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Quotes like this "

Seem to suggest they are going to try that tact.
As you say her experience based on her background would be rather different than most.
A Liberal person saying is going to met with skepticism.

As a fellow Millennial my first thought is "why do the Liberals only want to help now"

It was a tactic that the Liberals tried at a federal level with Amelia Hamer. Notwithstanding the fact that Hamer is an overseas landlord, it was pretty touch and go for Monique Ryan in Kooyong for a while, though that was partly driven by a fairly poor campaign that Dr Ryan ran in Kooyong. On the 2CP vote, Hamer achieved a 1.85% swing in her favour away from Ryan, and Ryan won the seat by 1,532 votes (a lot closer margin than the margin of victory over Frydenberg).

It will be interesting to see how the member for Kew, one of the more well-heeled areas of Melbourne, is going to go connecting with aspirational property owners in the sand belt down towards Cranbourne/Frankston area and the outer suburbs of Melbourne, let alone the regions.

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Both the most recent Damos and Freshwater polls showed the Coalition in a 51-49 2PP lead.

I stand corrected in terms of the number of opinion polls, but a 51-49 2PP vote in favour of the Coalition would not enable them to form Government, either in majority or in minority. At best for the Coalition, that would result in a minority Labor government in tandem with the Greens.

 

[Saint]

It was a tactic that the Liberals tried at a federal level with Amelia Hamer. Notwithstanding the fact that Hamer is an overseas landlord, it was pretty touch and go for Monique Ryan in Kooyong for a while, though that was partly driven by a fairly poor campaign that Dr Ryan ran in Kooyong. On the 2CP vote, Hamer achieved a 1.85% swing in her favour away from Ryan, and Ryan won the seat by 1,532 votes (a lot closer margin than the margin of victory over Frydenberg).

It will be interesting to see how the member for Kew, one of the more well-heeled areas of Melbourne, is going to go connecting with aspirational property owners in the sand belt down towards Cranbourne/Frankston area and the outer suburbs of Melbourne, let alone the regions.

This is the thing that Conservative Governments are faced with.

Can we convince voters we care about the housing situation when it is abundantly clear that our supporters and Members absolutely do not hold that belief and we have never done anything in our history to suggest anything to the contrary at the state or federal level.

Trump just lied. Farage (and Johnson) lied. I guess the Libs will lie, but will enough people believe it?

Do we think the LNP are going to allow the high-density dwellings the people of Brighton were protesting against? Do we think the LNP will build Public Transport in the western suburbs so that living further from services isn't such a burden? No, nobody does.

 

[The Punter]

The truth about increasing housing supply is, for the Victorian Libs, it's a wedge.

Wilson is close to Evan Mulholland, the MLC who is probably the strongest voice internally for building all sorts of housing and not falling back into tired talking points about local amenity and heritage in order to win seats close to the city. Ms Wilson is the Member for one of those seats.

So while I don't see Ms Wilson attacking the planning changes proposed by the Allan Government with the same gusto as say, James Newbury, she is a member of a group of younger Liberals who believe that the time to change tack has certainly arrived.

I would pay special attention to if she moves the planning portfolio from Richard Riordan, whose only impulse is to oppose what Labor proposes, and gives it so Mulholland or someone similar.

But any move to move away from NIMBY attitudes to medium density housing will put seats like Kew, Hawthorn, Brighton and Sandringham in play, regardless of whether the support for building medium density housing is coming from both major parties.

 

[Sttew]

This is the thing that Conservative Governments are faced with.

Can we convince voters we care about the housing situation when it is abundantly clear that our supporters and Members absolutely do not hold that belief and we have never done anything in our history to suggest anything to the contrary at the state or federal level.

Trump just lied. Farage (and Johnson) lied. I guess the Libs will lie, but will enough people believe it?

Do we think the LNP are going to allow the high-density dwellings the people of Brighton were protesting against? Do we think the LNP will build Public Transport in the western suburbs so that living further from services isn't such a burden? No, nobody does.

Do you think lying is confined to LNP? This current government has lied through its teeth and/or treated Victorians like mushrooms which is worse than being lied to. Why are we so accepting of this? At what point did we become so desensitised that being treated like a mushroom or lied to by the government no longer matters but the Opposition cannot be trusted?