Jacinta Allan - Leading a zombie government

[AlwaysHawks15]

Not necessarily true after you consider the cost.

As opposed to doing nothing? You would have the same complaints we had for years around infrastructure from the same people if we meandered along the same trajectory. Maybe that's ok for some people but not me. Cost is irrelevant to me it's the long term benefits that matter. What happens if we had cost blowouts building hospitals? Schools? Prisons to house all the people we are going to start locking up soon? Should we not do it because of cost blowouts? You would never have anything happen anywhere.

 

[The Punter]

As opposed to doing nothing? You would have the same complaints we had for years around infrastructure from the same people if we meandered along the same trajectory. Maybe that's ok for some people but not me. Cost is irrelevant to me it's the long term benefits that matter. What happens if we had cost blowouts building hospitals? Schools? Prisons to house all the people we are going to start locking up soon? Should we not do it because of cost blowouts? You would never have anything happen anywhere.

"The real cost is to do nothing"

Heard by construction companies as

"We will give you whatever you want, keep ratcheting up the price"

Everything has a value. Taxpayer's money shouldn't be so blithely thrown around like the cost of anything that might be deemed important is irrelevant as long as it gets built.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Just the thought of pedestrian tollways shows you just how much contempt she has for us all down here in "macheteville" Of course she has had to do a backflip, but the absolute gall of the idea is astounding!

Honestly mate go hide under the bed if your that scared of Victoria and going out in public. Better yet leave we don't need your ilk down here spreading fear.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

"The real cost is to do nothing"

Heard by construction companies as

"We will give you whatever you want, keep ratcheting up the price"

Everything has a value. Taxpayer's money shouldn't be so blithely thrown around like the cost of anything that might be deemed important is irrelevant as long as it gets built.

Maybe I should reword what I wrote. If the blowout is Justified. Not unnecessary waste and that's really up to different people what they classify as unnecessary waste isn't it? Remember federally the Liberal party think handouts is unnecessary waste

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

I'm not sure at what point we decided that cost blowouts were not only acceptable but inevitable, but it's a train of thought that needs to be extracted and dropped off a cliff somewhere.

 

[The Punter]

Maybe I should reword what I wrote. If the blowout is Justified. Not unnecessary waste and that's really up to different people what they classify as unnecessary waste isn't it? Remember federally the Liberal party think handouts is unnecessary waste

Both parties federally have excused waste during financial crises.

But there are increased expenses that are unnecessary and avoidable. Implying they are OK publicly, which the Premier has done on many occasions, is creating a permission structure.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

I'm not sure at what point we decided that cost blowouts were not only acceptable but inevitable, but it's a train of thought that needs to be extracted and dropped off a cliff somewhere.

Care to discuss your solutions to how we build things without blowouts?

 

[GrayRanga]

Maybe I should reword what I wrote. If the blowout is Justified. Not unnecessary waste and that's really up to different people what they classify as unnecessary waste isn't it? Remember federally the Liberal party think handouts is unnecessary waste

except to tarmers

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Both parties federally have excused waste during financial crises.

But there are increased expenses that are unnecessary and avoidable. Implying they are OK publicly, which the Premier has done on many occasions, is creating a permission structure.

Again refer to what I posted.

except to tarmers

And mining

 

[The Punter]

Again refer to what I posted.

This?

Cost is irrelevant to me it's the long term benefits that matter.

So as long as it gets built, it doesn't matter how much it costs. Happy for you to correct me on what you actually meant.

I was suggesting that for anything, there is a point where the cost becomes too much. We have an entire public health system designed around this premise. A pretty good public health system too.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Not necessarily true after you consider the cost.

We could spend nothing and rake in budget surpluses but that's not the role of government.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

This?

So as long as it gets built, it doesn't matter how much it costs. Happy for you to correct me on what you actually meant.

I was suggesting that for anything, there is a point where the cost becomes too much. We have an entire public health system designed around this premise. A pretty good public health system too.

Your cherry picking there. I corrected my opinion in the 2nd part I wrote. Taking the conservative approach hasn't really got us anywhere for decades. Federally in particular, when that occurs your having to play catch-up with how you spend your money. I know you have a different philosophy to that hence why your a conservative but perhaps ask your colleagues why certain decisions have had to be made in order for us to keep up. Yes Labor has been guilty of this in the past and need to be careful now with what they are doing but I look to where the money is going not necessarily how much is being spent. Is their transparency regarding that? Needs to be a whole lot better absolutely and it's something they need to be communicating much better than they are currently. I'm firmly against SRL because there plowing ahead against expert advice, that's when your not using money wisely as an example.

 

[The Punter]

Your cherry picking there. I corrected my opinion in the 2nd part I wrote. Taking the conservative approach hasn't really got us anywhere for decades. Federally in particular, when that occurs your having to play catch-up with how you spend your money. I know you have a different philosophy to that hence why your a conservative but perhaps ask your colleagues why certain decisions have had to be made in order for us to keep up. Yes Labor has been guilty of this in the past and need to be careful now with what they are doing but I look to where the money is going not necessarily how much is being spent. Is their transparency regarding that? Needs to be a whole lot better absolutely and it's something they need to be communicating much better than they are currently. I'm firmly against SRL because there plowing ahead against expert advice, that's when your not using money wisely as an example.

Ok, but "if the blowout is justified" requires considerable explanation of justification. It can't be "because we just need to get it built", because that's lots of things, including stuff that never even gets considered.

I'm sure a slightly more prudent and less permissive approach to variations would have saved some money.

 

[evolved2]

As opposed to doing nothing? You would have the same complaints we had for years around infrastructure from the same people if we meandered along the same trajectory. Maybe that's ok for some people but not me. Cost is irrelevant to me it's the long term benefits that matter. What happens if we had cost blowouts building hospitals? Schools? Prisons to house all the people we are going to start locking up soon? Should we not do it because of cost blowouts? You would never have anything happen anywhere.

Hard disagree there. Your childrens' children will pay for our stupidity.

I dream of having the option of a fiscally conservative political party to vote for.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

We could spend nothing and rake in budget surpluses but that's not the role of government.

Howard did this and crowned himself the King of economic management. Meanwhile everything meandered along unchecked not evolving and we're still paying the price to this day through the energy market as a prime example.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Hard disagree there. Your childrens' children will pay for our stupidity.

I dream of having the option of a fiscally conservative political party to vote for.

The way I see it my childrens children will see the benefits of making the courageous decisions now not the doom and gloom scenario you have in your head.

 

[evolved2]

The way I see it my childrens children will see the benefits of making the courageous decisions now not the doom and gloom scenario you have in your head.

Edit: How is it courageous to spend money that future governments (ie tax payers) will have to pay interest on?

 

[Demonic Ascent]

The way I see it my childrens children will see the benefits of making the courageous decisions now not the doom and gloom scenario you have in your head.

Exactly, just as previous generations have benefited from government decisions to build infrastructure and support/provide vital services. Imagine if we had no Medicare for example or the City Loop was never built.

 

[Carn The Berries]

As opposed to doing nothing? You would have the same complaints we had for years around infrastructure from the same people if we meandered along the same trajectory. Maybe that's ok for some people but not me. Cost is irrelevant to me it's the long term benefits that matter. What happens if we had cost blowouts building hospitals? Schools? Prisons to house all the people we are going to start locking up soon? Should we not do it because of cost blowouts? You would never have anything happen anywhere.

As someone who pays taxes, cost is absolutely relevant to me.

So we just write blank cheques and tell the private sector to have at it?

That take is equally as unsustainable as "we shouldn't do anything".

 

[evolved2]

As someone who pays taxes, cost is absolutely relevant to me.

So we just write blank cheques and tell the private sector to have at it?

That take is equally as unsustainable as "we shouldn't do anything".

That post has a staggering number of likes, reflecting the intellect of the SRP.

 

[Carn The Berries]

That post has a staggering number of likes, reflecting the intellect of the SRP.

So you're agreeing that cost isn't an issue and should never be considered when assessing whether a piece of infrastructure provides benefit to the community or not?

 

[Satan]

Two schools have had their lockdowns lifted after an eight-year-old boy was stabbed at a primary school in Berwick on Thursday morning.
Brentwood Park Primary School and Kambrya College were placed into lockdown after a stabbing on school grounds on Bemersyde Drive about 9am.

Both schools are located on the same street, just a few hundred metres from each other

n 11-year-old boy was questioned by police over the incident and taken to Monash Medical Centre for treatment, while the eight-year-old boy was treated at the scene by paramedics with “non-life threatening” injuries.

A female staff member was also treated for injuries at the school.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/berwick-schools-brentwood-park-primary-and-kambrya-college-in-lockdown-after-student-stabbed/news-story/77b7dbe71c673fc0df8b47097aef06f0

WTF

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

So you're agreeing that cost isn't an issue and should never be considered when assessing whether a piece of infrastructure provides benefit to the community or not?

You forgot to read the other posts in continuation to the first post. Or maybe you chose to cherry pick from the first bit so you could respond the way that you did.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

As someone who pays taxes, cost is absolutely relevant to me.

So we just write blank cheques and tell the private sector to have at it?

That take is equally as unsustainable as "we shouldn't do anything".

Don't bother addressing anything else I posted because you obviously don't support that narrative either. We can be in constant consultation and dialogue with everyone all the time and never actually make a decision. That's a position the right side of politics favours as well. Again I guess that's a better use of my taxpayer dollars isn't it?

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

I mean, it's a mistake, right? No one in their right mind would knowingly decide to charge people $5 to walk through two train stations just to get to a shopping centre.

It seems like one of those remote desktop support issues to me: not sure I'm able to replicate the error...?

If you were really committed to, you could be charged for walking from State Library Station to the Melbourne Central shopping centre. However, if you're on the street, surely you simply continue walking to the shopping centre entrance across the road. If you're already coming from a train at State Library Station you won't be charged anything extra.

The mistake is the backflip for no good reason.